Hypothetical and Ridiculous HON Math, Your Questions Answered! - For Entertainment Only

[Beroya]

Here's one: What is the longest possible time Succubus can disable another hero? Any items are allowed.

Edit: To be specific, the following: Tablet of Command, Stormspirit, Kuldra's Sheepstick, Refresher Orb, and Brutalizer. The last can be assumed to proc 100% of the time it's off cooldown, but this number must be recorded and cannot be used unless Succubus has a sufficient amount of time to throw the attack without letting the target drop out (i.e. not after Hold, Mesmerize, Stormspirit, or Tablet). It can also be assumed the player has superhuman abilities, in that they perfectly time every disable after the next.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

What is the largest possible magic armor to have at once (no +9999s)?

[[S2]MacroHard]

What is the largest possible magic armor to have at once (no +9999s)?

Parasite + Headdress + ulting enemy Arachna Harden Carapace + ulting enemy Magebane after Flash (with Refresher) + Allied Magebane Flash (duplicate hero mode) + Rhapsody ultimate = 5.5 + 10 + 32 + 15 + 5 + 1000 = 1067.5 magic armor
98.5% magic damage reduction

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

Thank you sir.

[MrBrightside]

At what point in the future will we (theoretically) reach the point where all unique 5vs5 setups have occurred?

I'm talking non-duplicate mode, assuming the same player base (games/day) we have at the moment.
am i right with ~1.73+10^13 unique setups right now (with 100 heroes)?

[Fen__]

Whats the highest possible ammount of health stolen in 1 hit via life steal attack

[[S2]MacroHard]

100 ncr 10 is 1.73x10^13
This is how many unique 10 hero setups are possible. However, given 10 heroes, there are 252 unique 5v5 arrangements. This means there are 4.36x10^15 unique 5v5 matchups (double that if legion/hellbourne matters).

Assuming 1 million matches are played every day world wide, it will take about 12 million years to do that. Unfortunately by that time there will be 312 million heroes and 6x10^80 hero combinations. =)

[[KtoK]londoahv]

Whats the highest possible ammount of health stolen in 1 hit via life steal attack

Highest crit stats taken from previous MacroHard math and altered to fit the circumstances.


Level 25 Pebbles with Symbol of Rage: 304 max base damage

Riftshards4: +75
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Symbol of Rage: +20 dmg
Subtotal: 304 base dmg, +1095 dmg

Andromeda: +36% base damage = +109.44 bonus damage
Bloodhunter: +80% base damage = +243.2 bonus damage
Ophelia: +28% damage taken
Dampeer: +30% life steal

Wolf Commander: +30% base damage = +91.2 bonus damage
Abyssal Skull: +15% base damage = +45.6 bonus damage
Hellflower: +20% damage taken

Double Damage Rune: +100% base damage = +304 bonus damage

Total life steal:
Abyssal Skull: +15% life steal
Symbol of Rage: +150% life steal
Dampeer: +30% life steal
Total life steal: 195%

:Riftshards: oombringer: oombringer: oombringer: oombringer: :SymbolOfRage:
Total Damage: 3244.8
Crit: 7787
Life steal: 15187



Level 25 Parasite with no items: 150 max base damage

Riftshards4: +75
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Symbol of Rage: +20 dmg
Subtotal: 150 base dmg, +1095 dmg

Empath: +80 damage
Bloodhunter: +80% base damage = +120 bonus damage
Ophelia: +28% damage taken
Dampeer: +30% life steal

Wolf Commander: +30% base damage = +45 bonus damage
Abyssal Skull: +15% base damage = +22.5 bonus damage
Hellflower: +20% damage taken
Draining Venom: +24% damage taken

Double Damage Rune: +100% base damage = +150 bonus damage

Enemy Behemoth: +200% base damage = +300 damage

Total life steal:
Abyssal Skull: +15% life steal
Symbol of Rage: +150% life steal
Dampeer: +30% life steal
Total life steal: 195%

Total Damage: 3375
Crit: 8100
Life steal: 15795


Do tell if you find I missed something. Does not take armor into consideration.

edit: Taken Hellflower and Ophelia into consideration, added Symbol of Rage to base damage.

If Macro can double-check the math would be great.

[ChuckNorris]

Highest crit stats taken from previous MacroHard math and altered to fit the circumstances.


Level 25 Pebbles no items: 279 max base damage

Riftshards4: +75
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Doombringer: +250 dmg
Symbol of Rage: +45 dmg
Subtotal: 279 base dmg, +1120 dmg

Andromeda: +36% base damage = +100.44 bonus damage
Bloodhunter: +80% base damage = +223.2 bonus damage
Empath: +80 bonus damage
Dampeer: +30% life steal

Wolf Commander: +30% base damage = +83.7 bonus damage
Abyssal Skull: +15% base damage = +41.85 bonus damage

Double Damage Rune: +100% base damage = +279 bonus damage

Abyssal Skull: +15% life steal
Symbol of Rage: +150% life steal
Dampeer: +30% life steal

:Riftshards: oombringer: oombringer: oombringer: oombringer: :SymbolOfRage:
Total Damage: 2207.19
Total life steal: 195%
Crit: 5297
Life steal: 10330


I don't think I left anything out but if I did do correct. Also does not take armor into consideration.

Pretty sure, that Parasite can do it better

[[iRBa]FiskOgHon]

Also you didn't multiply on the strength from symbol of rage.

[Fen__]

Impressing. Though it will be around 2-4k not 10k

[[KtoK]londoahv]

Pretty sure, that Parasite can do it better

According to tests no, not really. With ophelia's wrath, hellflower, wolf commander, abyssal skull, and the items listed, parasite hits only slightly more (about 1200 non-crit vs about 1100 non-crit from pebbles to level 25 Wildsoul with 0 items in normal form - 47.6% damage mitigation). And all the remaining bonuses skew it in favour of Pebbles as Parasite has less than half of Pebbles' base attack.

edit: updated the calculations.

[ChuckNorris]

According to tests no, not really. With ophelia's wrath, hellflower, wolf commander, abyssal skull, and the items listed, parasite hits only slightly more (about 1200 non-crit vs about 1100 non-crit from pebbles to level 25 Wildsoul with 0 items in normal form - 47.6% damage mitigation). And all the remaining bonuses skew it in favour of Pebbles as Parasite has less than half of Pebbles' base attack.

edit: updated the calculations.

Did you ult hammerstorm with parasite?
and maybe with refresher something else?

[[KtoK]londoahv]

Did you ult hammerstorm with parasite?
and maybe with refresher something else?

Hmm... Not sure if hammerstorm would give that much of an edge to para as well, since it would add around 200 damage. Aside from that Parasite cannot steal Hammerstorm's ultimate. With refresher he loses a doombringer, which i really doubt he will get a gain out of. I will not take item drops/picks into consideration as that would add far too much to take into account. 6 item slots per hero, 5 team members. As per normal game.

edit: I will do some number crunching later in the evening, in the case he steals Enraged from Behemoth

edit2: Parasite does seem to barely get the higher damage output.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

How Many level 1 scouts (No items Or spells) would be needed to match The DPS of a fountain? (Good Luck Bwahahahahaha)

[Fen__]

well i would say its impossible since scouts will soround the target blocking othe scouts form autoattacking

[kingduckling]

also with all conditions on the highest crit-para with 5 harkoons and rift if he steal behes enrage will crit higher.since its base damage harkoons will give and extra 27 raw damage.
reaching 4927 damage.

[ChuckNorris]

Hmm... Not sure if hammerstorm would give that much of an edge to para as well, since it would add around 200 damage. Aside from that Parasite cannot steal Hammerstorm's ultimate. With refresher he loses a doombringer, which i really doubt he will get a gain out of. I will not take item drops/picks into consideration as that would add far too much to take into account. 6 item slots per hero, 5 team members. As per normal game.

edit: I will do some number crunching later in the evening, in the case he steals Enraged from Behemoth

edit2: Parasite does seem to barely get the higher damage output.

Why would you doubt ME in the first place?!

[MrBrightside]

100 ncr 10 is 1.73x10^13
This is how many unique 10 hero setups are possible. However, given 10 heroes, there are 252 unique 5v5 arrangements. This means there are 4.36x10^15 unique 5v5 matchups (double that if legion/hellbourne matters).

Assuming 1 million matches are played every day world wide, it will take about 12 million years to do that. Unfortunately by that time there will be 312 million heroes and 6x10^80 hero combinations. =)

It's just amazing how diversified this game can be if you think about it :-)

If you keep playing HoN for the rest of your life its possible that you will never see the same setup twice. Not even if you turned 12 MILLION YEARS OLD.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

well i would say its impossible since scouts will soround the target blocking othe scouts form autoattacking

Fine smartass, they have unit walking.