Hypothetical and Ridiculous HON Math, Your Questions Answered! - For Entertainment Only

[[S2]MacroHard]

This is somewhat unrelated and might not be relevant to the thread but it piqued my curiosity, does the skill have no range limit? or does it have a range limit so large that it is infinite in the practical sense because no map is big enough for it to matter?

And in case the second true, would it be possible under the game engine to build a map so large as to include distances longer than the range on these skills?

Map dimensions and cast ranges are simply numbers. Global cast ranges are achieved by setting the cast range to be a number larger than the map (ie, 99999). If a map was suddenly made larger than this arbitrary number, then the skill would no longer be infinite.

[Wolfrar]

What combination of 5 heroes would fastest be able to kill kongor at lvl 1 (non-duplicate)(they actually need to be able to kill kongor)

That'd be interesting. Standard starting items only. Or no starting items.

[[S2]MacroHard]

What combination of 5 heroes would fastest be able to kill kongor at lvl 1 (non-duplicate)(they actually need to be able to kill kongor)

Guantlet (4 crushing claws)
Wildsoul (shield on bear, 2 duckboots on self, minor totem on self)
Warbeast (4 crushing claws)
Torturer (4 mark of the novice)
Andromeda (4 duckboots)

If you do not believe me prove me wrong. <3

[[AOWL]SmurfinBird]

Guantlet (4 crushing claws)
Wildsoul (shield on bear, 2 duckboots on self, minor totem on self)
Warbeast (4 crushing claws)
Torturer (4 mark of the novice)
Andromeda (4 duckboots)

If you do not believe me prove me wrong. <3

Then what time does this get?

[SuperCommand]

Guantlet (4 crushing claws)
Wildsoul (shield on bear, 2 duckboots on self, minor totem on self)
Warbeast (4 crushing claws)
Torturer (4 mark of the novice)
Andromeda (4 duckboots)

If you do not believe me prove me wrong. <3

Replace Torturer with Salforis(I assume his aura works on Kongor).

[Petob]

Guantlet (4 crushing claws)
Wildsoul (shield on bear, 2 duckboots on self, minor totem on self)
Warbeast (4 crushing claws)
Torturer (4 mark of the novice)
Andromeda (4 duckboots)

If you do not believe me prove me wrong. <3

All builds(except agi one) would be better off with 3 minor totems instead of the 4rth +3 stat item.

I found your flaw, now I have the right to demand a full graph of every heros potential damage output within a 1 minute timespan at lvl 1 on kongor, right?

[[S2]MacroHard]

Replace Torturer with Salforis(I assume his aura works on Kongor).

20 true per second sure would add up. I'll get back to you on that.

All builds(except agi one) would be better off with 3 minor totems instead of the 4rth +3 stat item.

I found your flaw, now I have the right to demand a full graph of every heros potential damage output within a 1 minute timespan at lvl 1 on kongor, right?

603 starting gold cannot purchase 3x claws and 3x totems. 4x claws is +12 damage for 600 gold. You need 609 gold to swap out one of the claws such that you benefit from the +1 attack speed from each totem.

[SuperCommand]

I realized that Kongor question could be a bit tricky seeing as Kongor does an attackspeed reducing attack when more than 3 units are in melee range.

Slither with his wards could probably do alot of damage. Replacing warbeast(And Salforis) with some ranged heroes(Like Slither+Silhouette or Torturer) would MAYBE improve the results.

[[FT5]Anizer]

Haha another one: Lets say Valkyrie was standing on top of the CNTower replica on the land of Newerth, and threw her javelin down to the ground. Assuming that Newerth is identical in size as Earth, what time did it take for her javalin to hit the ground?

(no items, lvl 4 javalin and maxed @ lvl 25)

[BigBoss00]

Haha another one: Lets say Valkyrie was standing on top of the CNTower replica on the land of Newerth, and threw her javelin down to the ground. Assuming that Newerth is identical in size as Earth, what time did it take for her javalin to hit the ground?

(no items, lvl 4 javalin and maxed @ lvl 25)

How do you propose one would convert units into real world measurements?

[BigBoss00]

Two pretender's crowns with four totems has slightly more DPS than four Claws.

[[S2]ElementUser]

Two pretender's crowns with four totems has slightly more DPS than four Claws.

Are you taking into account the discrete frame mechanics for attack speed?

[BigBoss00]

I can't peruse the game files and I am bad at math. I tested it in practice mode extensively.

[[FT5]Anizer]

How do you propose one would convert units into real world measurements?

It's simple. First you find out how many pixels make up valk's height, then you find the average height of a woman (i'm gessing 5'7) and from that you can pretty much guess the length of her Javalin. Then you find the average weight of a Javalin (olympics) and that makes everything before that useless. k

[BigBoss00]

I didn't know the Olympics used magic homing javelins. Also ancient Nordic woman were probably taller than average American women.

[[S2]MacroHard]

Two pretender's crowns with four totems has slightly more DPS than four Claws.

Using Gauntlet...
Level 1 damage (no items) is 54
Level 1 attack speed (no items) is 115

8 damage, 8 attack speed -> (54+8)*(1.15+.08)/1.7 = 44.86 damage per second
12 damage, 0 attack speed -> (54+12)*(1.15)/1.7 = 44.65 damage per second

You are correct.

Haha another one: Lets say Valkyrie was standing on top of the CNTower replica on the land of Newerth, and threw her javelin down to the ground. Assuming that Newerth is identical in size as Earth, what time did it take for her javalin to hit the ground?

(no items, lvl 4 javalin and maxed @ lvl 25)

How fast in game units/sec is javelin? How tall is Valkrie hero model in game units? Give me these two numbers and I can answer this quite easily.

[[S2]ElementUser]

^You can parse the file to find out the first one.

[[S2]MacroHard]

^You can parse the file to find out the first one.

OR you can just tell me the number. Dont have HON on this computer, otherwise I'd do it myself. <3

[[S2]ElementUser]

Something like 857.14

[[S2]MacroHard]

Haha another one: Lets say Valkyrie was standing on top of the CNTower replica on the land of Newerth, and threw her javelin down to the ground. Assuming that Newerth is identical in size as Earth, what time did it take for her javalin to hit the ground?

(no items, lvl 4 javalin and maxed @ lvl 25)

Assumptions and Parameters:

• Valkyrie is 200 units tall in Newerth, 1.7m tall on Earth
• Valkyrie javelin travels at 857.14 units/second
• CN Tower is 553m high

Solution:

• The conversion rate, based on the height assumptions for Valkyrie, is .0085 meters per unit.
• Valkyrie's javelin therefore travels at 7.29 m/s.
• Per the kinematic equations for a uniformly accelerating body, D = Vi*t + 0.5*a*t^2
• 553 = 7.29*t + 0.5*9.8*t^2

Answer:

• It would take 9.91 seconds for Valkyrie's javelin to reach the ground, assuming she threw it downwards.
• If she threw it horizontally, it would take 10.6 seconds to reach the ground, and would land 77.4 meters (254 feet) away from the base of the tower.

Added to first post.