Hypothetical and Ridiculous HON Math, Your Questions Answered! - For Entertainment Only

[[EFL]Grangerer]

Sorry to bother you, but you made a mistake in the "What is the maximum achievable attack speed" department. I know its minor, but it is still a mistake.

You missed out on one source of attack speed: Valkyrie's Courageous Leap grants 16 Attack-speed.

[man_guy]

I think Parasite has potential for more since he has 5 hero AS buffs he could possibly steal and 4 allies to give him buffs as well.

[[AOWL]SmurfinBird]

Sorry to bother you, but you made a mistake in the "What is the maximum achievable attack speed" department. I know its minor, but it is still a mistake.

You missed out on one source of attack speed: Valkyrie's Courageous Leap grants 16 Attack-speed.

Only 4 allies max.
Even with a parasite with a refresher, you cannot steal most of those buffs. You might be able to take Pred's and Tundra's? Then you would have 1 hero slot for the minor valkyire buff.

[[STWO]`NissassA`]

How much dps would all heroes do over 5 seconds to kongor and what minute will it need to be for him to out live the damage done

1. all hereos/gadgets have unitwalking
2. all are allied
3. all are following s2 default guide
4. all have only core items and any item in laning/starting which is not upgraded and if there is item slots

[[AOWL]SmurfinBird]

How much dps would all heroes do over 5 seconds to kongor and what minute will it need to be for him to out live the damage done

1. all hereos/gadgets have unitwalking
2. all are allied
3. all are following s2 default guide
4. all have only core items and any item in laning/starting which is not upgraded and if there is item slots

What level are the heroes? Can we overlook the AoE attack Kongor does? (I think it slows, not sure if it also reduces AS). If you say they have "core items" then this means you're talking 103(?) heroes, each with 1-2-3 items. That's too many variables to bother with.

The only way I see this being answered is to say :

1. all hereos/gadgets have unitwalking.
2. all are allied.
3. all have no skills leveled and are level one.
4. all have no items at all and no auras are in the area to help them.

[[STWO]`NissassA`]

all heroes where meant to be 25 with core, yes u cna avoid kongor damage as that wasnt in the question but as u said 103 hereos wiht 4 skills and 3 items is abit much thats y it was title ridiculous quesiton.

if macro does not want to asnwer that rediculious questions ur adjustment is fine to be worked out

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

That' 300-350 items, many of which have an activated ability, way too hard to do.

[[zV]Hermione]

*Price vs efficiency of HotBL Vs Ironshield/beastheart combo* in terms of EHP and ammount blocked vs price.


Since the helm of the black legion nerf i've changed my armadon build to REMOVE hotbl from it. Instead I get iron shield/beastheart

Note this isn't about armadon but any hero. I'm curious to see the math of HOTBL VS ironshield/beastheart combo on a melee hero for EHP and surviveability purposes.

Some factors would include : how many auto attacks and in what timeframe (to allow HOTBL to get some charges back)

Also factor in the cost, as ironshield/beastheart is slightly cheaper.

oh, and also factor in a vestments if its not to much trouble. Trying to get a good understanding of the combo and a jacket is ubiquitous these days..

[[S2]MacroHard]

Since I have deep respect for Hermione, I'll see what I can do to tackle the HotBL vs Iron Shild/Beastheart question. Also, the poster at the top of this page is named Grangerer. Coincidence?

[[EFL]Grangerer]

To be honest. It is a coincidence. When i thought of the name(actuallly wanted to take Granger) it did not come to my mind, that its the last name of Hermione, if thats what your up to.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

If creepskip was bannable, how many people would complain on the RAP forums?

[[S2]MacroHard]

If creepskip was bannable, how many people would complain on the RAP forums?

[[SBT]Doomhammar]

I have a question for you. How much damage can a 5 man team with level 25 heroes deal to one hero with only using their abilities and if they have no items. No other creeps nearby allowed (for purposes of behemoth and others, just a plain field with nothing in there. Victim hero would be allowed to move with average speed of 300 in purposes of movement damage (BH ult, Midas flasks, Bomba ult).

Let the highest damage win Macrohard.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

I have a question for you. How much damage can a 5 man team with level 25 heroes deal to one hero with only using their abilities and if they have no items. No other creeps nearby allowed (for purposes of behemoth and others, just a plain field with nothing in there. Victim hero would be allowed to move with average speed of 300 in purposes of movement damage (BH ult, Midas flasks, Bomba ult).

Let the highest damage win Macrohard.

Soul reaper, magebane.

[[sd2]RTsa]

What is the highest (sustained) DPS a hero can achieve alone using his abilities and any items (without doombringers)?

Let's say that the time this would be measured in is 10s. This means that for example Scout can do 2x flurry, magebane can whack someone's (unlimited) mana away with 2 illusions from geo and ult at the end of the 10s, pestilence can use ulti and start hitting and enemy hero has 5.5 armor and magic armor (=magic armor default). I guess this means that shieldbreaker is usually better than crit, for example.

When calculating SR's ulti, you can say that it always does maximum amount of dmg. Crits don't always crit. Enemy has no hp/mp regeneration. I'm sure you don't want to calculate these for ALL the heroes, but at least a few AGI carries (scout, madman, moa, magebane, tdl) and some int burst dmg like pyro and SR, -(magic)armor heroes like (HB with harkon ofc)pesti would be nice to see also. Maybe also VJ with cursed ground. I'd leave wildsoul away from this since he's probably going to have the highest DPS with 2 sets of items..though if you want you can include him as a reference too of course.

So many heroes and designing the best possible items for each will probably be a bit hard/time consuming, but hopefully you'll do at least some different types of heroes. Thanks!

edit: why magebane somethingodd?
I'm guessing the right team would have at least HB, BS, pyro and maybe Chipper?. Can torturer spend all his mana on the ulti? In any case I'd probably have torturer in there too. 1200 physical + lots of magic dmg is nice.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

ulti does a percentage of missing mana, nad if he runs out, it won't do any more damage.

[[SBT]Necroth]

What combination of items result in the highest average damage per second for armadons spikes when he's tanking the enemy fountain with his back?

[[H3LP]Smichi]

What combination of items result in the highest average damage per second for armadons spikes when he's tanking the enemy fountain with his back?

I'd say.

[[f13]SomethingOdd]

What combination of items result in the highest average damage per second for armadons spikes when he's tanking the enemy fountain with his back?

Aka, the lowest possible armor needed to tank the fountain with arma taking it from the back.

[[H3LP]Smichi]

I forgot