Balance Dump

[sho_Opao]

nerf Gemini so that when he recombines from ult, the hp is the average of the two

OR

if one wolf is disabled, he wont be able to recombine.

[[L4ST]innova3]

Dota has bigger problems than hon when its about balance i think.
just look broodmother,lich,prophet, anti-mage, night stalker, and some other ones.
dota has big balance probs. Some heroes cant be played against cuz of the superduper opness(Antimage, prophet,broodmother...)

[[a5]KingKay]

Just came up with an idea. Make gemini lose double the gold (or a percentage more) if he dies while in ult form. AoE teams counter him already, I think that nerf would lower his overall farming capabilities as well.

[Antimodus]

Just came up with an idea. Make gemini lose double the gold (or a percentage more) if he dies while in ult form. AoE teams counter him already, I think that nerf would lower his overall farming capabilities as well.

silly idea for a nerf IMO.
For one thing, it's inconsistent. Wildsoul, Tremble, and Sil don't lose double the gold, nor should they. Also it's an on-death nerf. This requires that the 15 minute 2x2k HP Gemini dies, already a fail assumption.

The point is that with stats maxed and unparallelled xp farming ability, he will easily be level 16-17 (with +stats maxed so effectively like another hero would be at 20 stats-wise) while the 9 other heroes in the game are somewhere between 8 and 14. It's not even about the gold, 5bracer + abyssal is honestly a cheap core, those items + a good level advantage is all he really needs to AHUAEHUAEHUAE all over the game

[TheJohns]

Maybe make Fire & Ice's breath & stun scale with Gemini's instead of ult alone? Would make stat build less effective.

[[LsE]Benny0]

My goodness, I haven't played Dota or HoN or anything in quite a while, and I finally check everything and notice HoN hasn't had a balance change in months (okay, monarch got poked) and Dota decided to screw nerfs and upwards balance every single hero except antimage.

Perhaps I'm happy S2 hasn't balanced much recently, because I'm terrified it'll be as abusrd as Dota's.

[[DRD]china]

I'll leave this here: http://www.dotallyrad.com/2012/01/wa...st/#more-11977

=)

[[f13]`11411181]

daggius' response is pretty much 100% what I think about the whole thing.

[[SBT]Tedde]

Agree with daggius. Son is butthurt.

[[LsE]Hsssh]

You have to be slightly retarded(or know some super inside info of Maliken raping black kids) to have different opinion on this matter.

[[DRD]china]

Office politics influence the game so negatively (see: Maliken's greed). It stagnates the development of anything else.

(Yes, I have insider infos, considering I was somewhat close to a number of S2).

[[RCT]Reldnahc]

I'll leave this here: http://www.dotallyrad.com/2012/01/wa...st/#more-11977

=)

Did he honestly think Nome did the game better? He was a nice guy, but come on.

[[TBCe]Monkeydash]

Nerf gemini A LOT... DO IT NOW..
PS. NERF

[Scoffers]

Nerf gemini A LOT... DO IT NOW..
PS. NERF

yes please do

[Antimodus]

*lowers sunglasses*
problem, officer?

[TRYTROUSERS]

I've always felt the "OMG EVRY HERO HAZ BLINK" argument was far overplayed.

Counting exclusively heroes with blink/charge/leap abilities (including those that can be used on allies):
:chro:
17/96 total heroes = 17.7%

DotA (port/partial port)heroes:
:chro:
8/51 dota heroes = 15.686%

Iffy heroes:

(terrain walking, situational "blink" use, uncommon position modifying "saves" ie. Devo hook to ally, pebbles toss to creep wave)

HoN exclusive heroes:

9/45 hon heroes = 20%

Iffy heroes:

(terrain walking, situational "blink" use, very low range blink, uncommon position modifying "saves" ie. Gauntlet Grapple)

MK/DM ommited primarily because of the miniscule range on their "blinks", which could be comparable to that of a tablet push.

I may have missed something, but I think it's pretty close.

You conveniently fail to mention stuns and knock backs, which could also be used to distance oneself from ursa. I don't know why people don't count them as escapes. If hammerstorm stuns you and galvanizes you aren't going to catch him as a melee hero without a blink or gap closer up. Compare ganking a hero like MK to ganking a hero like Lina, its a joke.

[PanicBomber]

S2 please, my account is morgan_6

I am sick and tired of picking gemini every game just because i dont want to play against it cus its so stupid and broken. The only way to lose with it is to have a HORRIBLE team who feeds the 5 enemy players huge items in short time.

The hero is ****ing riddiculous, and u should really lower its stats gain + the ulti hp gain.

[[MuSu]kessu1]

S2 please, my account is morgan_6

I am sick and tired of picking gemini every game just because i dont want to play against it cus its so stupid and broken. The only way to lose with it is to have a HORRIBLE team who feeds the 5 enemy players huge items in short time.

The hero is ****ing riddiculous, and u should really lower its stats gain + the ulti hp gain.

Banning pick says hi )

[[LsE]Hsssh]

Office politics influence the game so negatively (see: Maliken's greed). It stagnates the development of anything else.

(Yes, I have insider infos, considering I was somewhat close to a number of S2).

Hay guys, i ahve super secret info but i won't share, i'm just mentioning it so you know that i know **** and i'm right.

In other news HoN is charity.

[[GR]XFlame]

Playing DotA2 makes me realize what improvements S2 has made to certain dota heroes. Axe without Legio's charge just doesn't seem right.