Balance Dump

[[DRD]china]

Has to be a pseudo-blink.

Tablet is bought so often, it'd make the skill so much more potent. :[ but o well.

[PzKw]

This problem exists in the other ARTS games as well. Carries ALWAYS have a lot of stuff enabling them, and if they can't make good use of that, they have ridiculous numbers.

This use of the word enabling is getting beyond a ****ing joke, as are your posts Skelo. Carries have not always been batshit overpowered and indispensable. In fact that's a moderately recent thing in the genre as a whole.

Carries have always needed monitoring, and were always the canary that showed imbalances first, but up until a few years ago, they were pretty heavily marginalised and broadly useless in most dominant metagames...

You can easily point to the gameplay mechanics that make carries completely indispensable, and frankly, stronger as heroes than straight up supports and sane gankers, as I have done on many occasions. Sure power creep made these concepts obsolete, but carries led the curve on power creep every time, and (I'm going to use this word properly this time) it is very obvious which factors enable carries to loleasymode into the items they need in order to carry.

Carries almost never compete with anything but other carries and semi-carries and this is a legitimate problem, which has existed in HoN forever. Supports et al still get "outcarried" before 20 minutes and all the comfortably overpowered but non scalar 2000 gold items in hell won't change this as long as no reliable mechanisms exist to take gold off carries and/or outright stop them exploiting their scaling mechanics. But surely I've ranted enough about this that I'd anyone were prepared to sit up and listen, they would have instead of dallying for, what, three ****ing years over these problems.

Leaving carries effectively unchallenged in their ability to carry, except by being outcarried by semicarry gankers and other types of carries, does _not_ make the game faster, it makes it dumber...

[PzKw]

Protip: X (mechanic) enables Y (noun) to Z (verb).

Not: X is an enabler (of what, how?).

The term enabler is virtually meaningless outside of psychology (where it describes a particular type of causal relationship) unless the various terms around it are at least defined in a cursory manner.

Using it as it is used above is akin to saying "X causes!" which only serves to obfuscate otherwise clear arguments.

Edit: this reminds me of a post in the hotbl thread I meant to reply to, but never did... Hmmm...

[skeloperch]

This use of the word enabling is getting beyond a ****ing joke, as are your posts Skelo. Carries have not always been batshit overpowered and indispensable. In fact that's a moderately recent thing in the genre as a whole.

Carries have always needed monitoring, and were always the canary that showed imbalances first, but up until a few years ago, they were pretty heavily marginalised and broadly useless in most dominant metagames...

You can easily point to the gameplay mechanics that make carries completely indispensable, and frankly, stronger as heroes than straight up supports and sane gankers, as I have done on many occasions. Sure power creep made these concepts obsolete, but carries led the curve on power creep every time, and (I'm going to use this word properly this time) it is very obvious which factors enable carries to loleasymode into the items they need in order to carry.

Carries almost never compete with anything but other carries and semi-carries and this is a legitimate problem, which has existed in HoN forever. Supports et al still get "outcarried" before 20 minutes and all the comfortably overpowered but non scalar 2000 gold items in hell won't change this as long as no reliable mechanisms exist to take gold off carries and/or outright stop them exploiting their scaling mechanics. But surely I've ranted enough about this that I'd anyone were prepared to sit up and listen, they would have instead of dallying for, what, three ****ing years over these problems.

Leaving carries effectively unchallenged in their ability to carry, except by being outcarried by semicarry gankers and other types of carries, does _not_ make the game faster, it makes it dumber...

I never stated otherwise. All I really said (implied) is that in every ARTS game, there is something that enables carries to be as effective as they are early on. In HoN, it's cheap survivability. In LoL it's everything giving EHP and damage at the same time. In DotA, it's pretty much the same as HoN, but there have existed other items in the past that have enabled carries to surpass support. All I'm saying is that this is going on in ever ARTS game at the moment, so that's something to consider. I'm not placing any stock into whether it is good or bad, just that this isn't HoN specific.

Now that there is finally an avatar out for BH, maybe S2 will buff him so we can actually use the avatar.

[[eR]Ekamo]

China, how the hell did you get that fancy green shield? What have I missed??

[[DRD]china]

its the emerald color that s2 is swindling us with. next month itll be red. and the month after that, indigo. all at increasing prices.

[PzKw]

Happy New Years #balance.

[[Empr]Rean]

its the emerald color that s2 is swindling us with. next month itll be red. and the month after that, indigo. all at increasing prices.

the most funny part in this is that it sounds very plausible

[[eR]Ekamo]

its the emerald color that s2 is swindling us with. next month itll be red. and the month after that, indigo. all at increasing prices.

Just by having this you become 1600 % more awesome.

I want haz!

[Mediocre]

its the emerald color that s2 is swindling us with. next month itll be red. and the month after that, indigo. all at increasing prices.

Nerf useless colors.

[Zilrax]

Buff non useless colors! Like Yellue and Gred and Purown.

[changlingbob]

But why would you want a colour other than purple (or, gold if you're into being elitist, I guess)?

[[IaF]Skyve]

its the emerald color that s2 is swindling us with. next month itll be red. and the month after that, indigo. all at increasing prices.

I doubt they are going to sell red, maroon or orange anytime soon...

Also green is still cheaper than purple used to be (1250 vs 900).

[[GM]Cyber_Kun]

HAI GUZ, WHAT ABOUT MAROON?

I wanna know

[[GR]XFlame]

Happy New Year Balance Forum.

And to make this thread on-topic: Balph's charged ult needs a serious cd reduction. 120 seconds is way too long, and a Balph without an ult in a teamfight is a useless Balph.

[[f13]`11411181]

I'm still banned, apparently.

Also, happy new years everyone - and happy birthday to me for yesterday (31/12 baby, awwww yeah)!

My protip for the year: Don't drag home an orange ***** to ****, even if she does have legs that go on forever, and is hot as ****. Leave it as a fingerbang and forget on the dance floor. Hope everyone had/is having a good new years
I'll be back to being a caustic lovable **** for 2012 <3

[Alten]

What? You brought home a player?


How the hell did you even convince her you weren't a ?

[[GDB]Vermillion_]

I have a feeling there is a story behind that tip...

Also happy new year to everyone and let's hope there's a new balance patch to bring in the new year :P

[Mediocre]

I have a feeling there is a story behind that tip...

Also happy new year to everyone and let's hope there's a new balance patch to bring in the new year :P

I hope so too, but I dont belive so.

Its dollarsign2 afterall.

HNY

[PzKw]

I have a more compelling tip. 30mg of codeine synergises with the OTC herbal pills called zonk to reduce breathing to <6 breaths per minute in a healthy, fit 85kg male who may or may not have had a lot of experience with doses of codeine a lot higher than that recreationally before being subjected to regular drug tests.

Also, vomiting, disorientation, dizziness, vertigo, lapses of consciousness accompanied by total loss of breathing until consciousness was restored. For about four hours.

Worst New Year's Day yet. The hangover WAS better than the cure.