Balance Dump

[SovietPower]

Can we please nerf Warden already. The fact that she wins 55% of games, highest of any hero, ones that come close are RA.... surprise indicates that she is a bit op.

Lets look
Silence+physical dmg scaling+safe range
Double Snare+2000 range+280 magic dmg+homing
2 Traps+vision+Melee root+melee skill disable
Nuke+Heal+Fog vision

IS this **** for real?

She shits on most melee heroes because you can't chase her into the fog cause she either drops her trap, spams her wolves or just simply jukes you with superior vision from ult. Ohh and if you catch up to her she just silence you and you sit there like and idiot.

She shits on most casters and supports cause she can silence them from safe range and again you sit there with a dick in your hand.

She scales just as well as any range carry in game

and OHH she is ridiculously easy to play, even scrubs **** on good player with her.

[Droideka88]

A Rant thread...awesome S2.

Here's my only rant.

Re-adjust Scout's, Nighthound's, Tremble's and Monkey's King base armor!! The base armors for those heroes are so ridiculously high and makes no aesthetic sense. If only those heroes had less base armor, my team would've been able to kill them sooner!!

[Zilrax]

Why does my Nyan Cat courier not play music?! I want to be able to play it instead of my hero. Run it around, just play the music just out of sight of the enemy, and annoy the hell out of everyone.

[changlingbob]

The only real problem with EW is that noone wants to buy vestments, as her wolves are merely an excellent harass skill (while also good for ksing juking heroes), and not the terrifying death skill everyone makes them out to be.

Also, if a rant is required, pretend I ranted here about balance appearing to be equivalent to what shows up in competitive games and/or what you got pubstomped by recently, instead of actually figuring out balance.

[[S2]Dawnbringer]

Fairly sure tinker's rockets would induce far more range than EW's wolves :3

[changlingbob]

Fairly sure tinker's rockets would induce far more range than EW's wolves :3

Tinker's rockets need sight to fire though, don't they?

[[S2]Dawnbringer]

They are also highly spammable and with post haste tinker becomes ridiculous.

I am actually kind of glad he isn't in HoN. The amount of rage he would create...

[[IaF]Skyve]

Nah, I still think Furion would create much more rage.

I mean people were crying about Keeper and his minions, but Furion can still have double minions, and has a global teleport, which allows him to push any lane he wants at any time.

[changlingbob]

They are also highly spammable and with post haste tinker becomes ridiculous.

I am actually kind of glad he isn't in HoN. The amount of rage he would create...

I've really enjoyed watching tinker in the dota2 matches I've seen, but wouldn't want him in HoN.

[PzKw]

This forum needs a HotBL thread.

Badly.

[allbusiness]

This forum needs a HotBL thread.

Badly.

hobtl/vanguard imba in both games :O

[MKMaxthrotle]

ra is ridic
rampage is ridic
kraken is ridic
emereld warden is ridic
nomad is ridic
predater is ridic
parasite is ridic
fayde is ridic
armadon is ridic
myrmadon is ridic
zephr is ridic
flint is ridic
silet is ridic

[[LsE]Benny0]

What the hell is the point of Charged Hammer?

It doesn't do damage to the targets you want it to because they probably have a shrunken head, and if you get it as a farming item early, you're even more of a glass cannon than a melee with Runed Axe, which at least has regen.

I can see exactly what the point is supposed to be but I feel it's lackluster in every way. if you want damage, pick up riftshards or savage mace. If you want farm, i'd say just go alch bones.

That said, you can farm VERY fast with Charged Hammer... and the buff is pretty nice, but ugh, i dunno.

[[DRD]china]

Lego loves him some Charged Hammer.

[skeloperch]

Ra is fine
EW is under powered
Fayde is fine
FA is fine
Martyr is under powered
Tremble is the worst hero in game
Blood Hunter still sucks
Devourer was nerfed way harder than need be. BRING BACK HOOK BACK
Andro was nerfed too hard.
Valkyrie is the most broken hero in game
Soul Reaper needs a buff
Balphagore needs a rework
SW needs a rework
Hell Bringer is fine, he just kills a lane with harass
Ophelia is a little bit under powered because of one minion until level 5
Arachna is in need of a buff (or a rework)
MQ needs a buff (or rework)
SB is a bit underpowered
WH is over powered
MoA is fine
Slither is balanced
Tort is a balanced
Flint is OP
Legionnaire needs a rework or a massive overhauling of his skills
Succubus needs help
Armadon is broken
Moraxus is under powered
Myrmidon is stupid
Bubbles is broken
Predator is over powered
Wildsoul is silly and could probably use some reevaluating
TDL is under powered
Madman is underwhelming
Everyone forgot Maliken existed
Engineer is under powered, but extremely annoying.

[Mediocre]

Lego loves him some Charged Hammer.

"But at what cost!?!?"

[TRYTROUSERS]

Sign me up for the group of people who wants ra to get nerfed. That hero just doesn't belong in this game. I just don't feel like I did anything wrong when I lose to one. It's like yeah dude your godlike, now try doing that on a hero that doesn't get to annihilate creep waves every 10 seconds with a life tube. I remember when nome told me his balance was that you have to be twice as careful with your health, but his meteor is like a tenth of his health now. I didn't think you could make an easier with less of a skill curve than skeleton king, but there you go.

[Shadeward]

They are also highly spammable and with post haste tinker becomes ridiculous.

I am actually kind of glad he isn't in HoN. The amount of rage he would create...

They have a 25 second cooldown. That's not spammable.

Unless you mean he uses rockets, ults, returns to fountain because he's now short on mana, ults, tps to where he was, and then uses rockets. But that's not really spamming, is it?

Not to mention they don't slow.


Concerning Ra, I still don't understand how people can complain about him again. They nerfed Ra when they reworked shieldbreaker. USE. IT. He drops in 2 seconds.

[TRYTROUSERS]

Maybe if shield breaker applied to your whole team that would be a good point, but it doesn't so it isn't.

Spend 5500 gold on -6 armor? hey look chain mail is 550 gold and gives 5 armor. niggasup.

[Shadeward]

Maybe if shield breaker applied to your whole team that would be a good point, but it doesn't so it isn't.

Spend 5500 gold on -6 armor? hey look chain mail is 550 gold and gives 5 armor. niggasup.

Except no one ever buys armor on Ra until much later (if at all). And the shieldbreaker effect is a debuff on the enemy hero, so the -armor affects your whole team's right-click damage output. So what you said makes no sense.

Barbed armor is also extremely potent against him. I've been using Puzzlebox Pharaoh very effectively to counter Ra.