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Thread: Balance Dump
It's very hard, almost impossibe to fix kongor without messing up either the rune spawn, or the ancients spawn.
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And what are you thinking about Drunken Master at this moment? Do you think this Drinks should be boosted? I have played many games last time to check "sup' why dm suck so much" and realy, its annoying that there is teamfight and u cant do anything cuz w/o drinks u are so useless
Yes, let's keep the Kongor thread open so more useless people can make more useless suggestions about poorly thought through concepts that have no satisfactory grounding in actual benefits given to the game. You know, other than superficial solving of a much deeper issue.
Last edited by `11411181; 04-21-2012 at 12:53 PM.
Thought you implied he was OPOriginally Posted by Skyve
My bad.
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Please be so kind to enlighten everybody what the benefits of giving one team an advantage over the other team are?
Please visit my thread if your tired of not having any pants http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=401955
Ideas wil get us nowhere, someone has to open the map editor.
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The team with map control can push and win against a team that just turtles?
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So, you're going to quantifiably demonstrate this imbalance by measuring its weighted effect upon a game over a sample set big enough to erase small outliers - and then weighing the games correctly to show that it is Kongor and only Kongor proving to be this imbalance and not any other external factor to account for?
Then I'll care about your worthless suggestions.
I feel like I shouldn't have to lose MMR because my ally picks Soulstealer.
<1500 means you can lose if your team consisted of pre-nerf magmus, engi, gemini, monarch, and sil.
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Can we please discuss about Strength heroes and their ability to close gaps (on top of them dealing retarded amounts of burst with their skill). Why are they so tanky, and when attempted to be shut down, they just escape (with their handy-dandy gap closing skill) as they will survive all the disables.
Now a contrast between HON heroes and their DOTA counterparts (some of them are not 100%, but still):
- Kraken (has gap-closer) vs. Leviathan (doesn't)
- Predator (has gap-closer) vs. N'aix (doesn't)
- Amun-RA (has gap-closer) vs. Leoric (doesn't)
- Legionnaire (has gap-closer) vs. Mogul Khan (doesn't)
- Tundra (has gap-closer) vs. Rexxar (doesn't)
Last edited by FurryTuna; 04-22-2012 at 08:27 PM. Reason: Oops meant Tundra and Rexxar, not Mali
S2 really needs to rework their match making system. period
Since they have records of recent matches, they should be matched upon the win/loss rate not just based on mmr.
Its unbelievable how many games you can lose in a row.
Well just lost my 11th game, losing 50 mmr isn't exactly what you hope to achieve.
Yes you may proceed on to flame, troll . but admit it. everyone has experienced what I have, and its a never ending surprise to who you can find when queue-ing solo.
Maliken is also sometimes melee, Huskar isn't. Also Huskar has a gap closer.
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Win/Loss is taken into account in the formula.
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Pred reaps thine pubbers with outrageous ease, nerf him pronto immidiately asap.
Also, why does glacius have to be so god damn weak. He has 1 support skill? BETTER DECREASE ALL HIS DAMAGE BY SHITLOADS
Leviathan doesn't need a gap closer. Have you seen the AoE on that thing? Also a built-in, guaranteed damage block (stronger than pre-nerf HotBL!) and a PBAoE Splash.
Predator has no ranged slow that he can use without committing to a conflict. N'aix also gets extra lifesteal (also to allies!) and actually has some attack speed without using his ulti.
Ra versus Leoric - retarded comparison, ignore.
Legionnaire vs. Mogul Khan - who takes Battle Hunger? Well, one point for the lol-buffed +10% MS (about as strong as Charge with one point in it)... and Charge takes much needed points from other skills.
Maliken versus Huskar - stupid comparison to begin with, and read Huskar's skills. No, just read them. Especially his ulti.
Oops I meant Tundra and Rexxar, sorry
Anyway, the point being Strength heroes usually shouldn't have escape abilities or such strong gap-closers. They are strength for a reason, they SHOULD be taking PEW PEW of the enemy range hero, if they want to deal some damage.
Wha...
Are you sure you're playing the same game as the rest of us?
HONOR- If you need it defined, you don't have it.
So the counter example here, that you helpfully provided, is huskar.
In balance, the burden of proof is on you to show your suggestion a) does what you say it will do, b) won't disrupt balance elsewhere, and c) isn't retarded beyond belief. Until you show these three things, the last may be assumed.
I'd like to see Furion,Tinker,WindRunner & Invoker ported to hon, so people could start ranting for a real reason
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