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What items to start and what should the build be?
Panda happens to be my favorite hero. Item wise, chalice, phase boots, helm of legion ,shrunken, rifts. If u got more questions ill help ya
can you tell me what his starting items would be and what skill to level up each time?
1-flick.2-cannonball.3-flury.4-flury.5-flurry.6-ult. then i max cannonball.
I disagree. You want to stack strength on panda as much as possible. Riftshards offer no synergy with any of his skills.
Shrunken is good advice, as is chalice.
I disagree with phaseboots also. Panda is a very mana dependent hero and the ability to cycle steam boots has saved my life so many times. He also has plenty of slow and disable so chasing isn't necessary for him (who ganks solo anyways?).
I would go steam boots as your first early game item. Start out with a health pot and some runes and maybe a few +1 stat items (typical starting items for any hero really). After that I sometimes go Insanitarius for a big health and damage boost early game (depending on the early game). Then shrunken. After this it is pretty open. Stack a few str bracers if you can't get good farm. A behe heart if you can.
Cannonball or flick first depending on your laning partner (cannonball if you have a solid stunner with you).
After you have one rank in cannonball and flick get two ranks in flurry. Max cannonball first and then flick.
His ult is pretty situational. It might even be worth skipping 'til after your shrunken head if the opposing team has plenty of disables.
In the end, remember... two of his skills work off his BASE DAMAGE... so stack strength items on Panda!
I like chalice/phase/Null/Shrunken really great tank/disabler with decent damage output but by no means a big hard carry with this build.
Any tips on how to use his skills effectively?
Flick first because it reduces physical armour.Originally Posted by Lemons
Shrunken head can be used while you are using your ulti, it does not cancel the channel.
Personally I like to get: phaseboots/shrunken head/nullstone/behemoths heart, add in helm of the black legion and or barrier idol anywhere if you feel its necessary
i more than often get a bottle or chalice early too
it's pretty rare to farm them up in a game though unless the team you're vsing just wont concede or the game has gone for quite a long time
^this, although i prefer to grab a sustainer and ring of the teacher before shrunken head for the manaregen and a sol's bollwerk (negative aura) before the heart.
Do NOT Buy steamboots on panda.
Ok. So if you leave a game, you are sent an AIDS needle. Additionally, you get +1 disconnect AND are forced to play as Kongor next game. You can't leave his lair, except when a rune spawns. You must run directly to the rune (still as Kongor) and guard it. If you do not do this, then HoN immediately shuts down and formats your hard drive and injects you with the AIDS needle.
Skills work off all of his damage, base damage does counts extra.
If you get a doom bringer, your flurry and ult will do +250 damage.
If you get +10 strength, your flurry will get +11.5 / +12.5 / +13.5 / +14.5 damage.
If you get a doombringer, your ultimate will do +250 damage per smash.
If you get +10 strength, your ultimate will do +13 +17 +21 damage.
So regular damage does count, base damage just counts extra.
So it's often still a great idea to get +damage items.
Also, Crit % works on both flurry and his ultimate.
Riftshards give each flurry or each ultimate hit +45/55/65/75 Damage.
Riftshards give each flurry or each ultimate hit, a 10/13/16/20% Chance for a 1.8/2.0/2.2/2.4x Critical strike.. how is that not synergy?!
Steamboots give his flurry +11.5 +12.5 +13.5 +14.5 damage.
Ghost marchers give his flurry +24 damage at all levels.
Steamboots give his ultimate +13 +17 +21 damage.
Ghost Marchers give his ultimate +24 damage at all levels.
It's also great for positioning/chasing/escaping. I'm not sure why you'd ever go steamboots on panda.
Last edited by KalurO; 07-31-2011 at 02:24 PM.
[stream]www.twitch.tv/Kaluroo[Type /join Kaluro in-game for a fun pub channel!]In HoN, attacking structures during the absence of creeps is not backdooring.If someone is utilizing guerrilla style tactics on your structures, it is an acceptable strategy.
Don't forget that attack modifiers count too. I used to see frostburn on panda a lot before it was nerfed ages ago.
What do you guys think are his core items?
It's situational.
[stream]www.twitch.tv/Kaluroo[Type /join Kaluro in-game for a fun pub channel!]In HoN, attacking structures during the absence of creeps is not backdooring.If someone is utilizing guerrilla style tactics on your structures, it is an acceptable strategy.
Steamboots, Chalice and/or Power Supply, Shrunken. That's just about all he really needs, everything else is luxury. You'd probably just want to go survivability.
Start with stats, get a supply and chalice, then go steamboots/ghost marchers (your skills only increase damage that come from strength, not from general damage), HotBL, Portal key, shrunken head.
For luxury,
Idol, Sol's Bulwark (may or not go for breastplate after), Behe heart, mock, nullstone or symbol of rage.
Pestilence likes that builds2
:CrushingClaws::ManaPotion::RunesOfTheBlight::Rune sOfTheBlight::MinorTotem::MinorTotem: -> Always carry tps
:chal::IronBuckler::PowerSupply::Steamboots:/:EnhancedMarchers: -> Always carry tps
:chal:/:PowerSupplySell one of those to ghave TPs :Steamboots:/:EnhancedMarchers::HelmOfTheBlackLegio:Portalkey:: ShrunkenHead: -> Always...
Luxury :BarrierIdol::Mock::BehemothsHeart::SolsBulwarkaemonicBreastplate):SymbolOfRage::Nullstone:
Never go steamboots on panda, really.
[stream]www.twitch.tv/Kaluroo[Type /join Kaluro in-game for a fun pub channel!]In HoN, attacking structures during the absence of creeps is not backdooring.If someone is utilizing guerrilla style tactics on your structures, it is an acceptable strategy.
Panda with Steamboots = free feed, kited all day. good luck trying to ult anyone you can't even get near. he can cannonball in and then start ulting someone in a team fight, but then what? he'll get kited down and die after killing at most one target.
Phase is a must for the mobility, going into team fights, setting up ganks, during fights for phasing through targets, and for chasing.
I personally like:
:Marchers: :Lifetube: (:RingOfTheTeacher: :chal: :PowerSupply:EnhancedMarchers: :HelmOfTheBlackLegio :ShrunkenHead: Core build, then situational pickups (:Insanitarius: :Portalkey: :SymbolOfRage: :SolsBulwark:
Last edited by PrestonLee; 07-31-2011 at 08:31 PM.
Look. Phase Boots/CHALICE/SHRUNKEN are a MUST. Those are your core items. Don't max your cannonball before flurry because it's EASY TO DODGE and HARDER TO HIT. Max flurry, then cannonball before flick. I ALWAYS get my ult at 6 Because I can run around SOLOING other low Hp carries when they're farming ALONE.
How I fight with panda: FLICK. flurry (1 or 2), cannonball AS THEY RUN AWAY. flurry AGAIN.
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