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WELCOME TO THE EXTREMELY DETAILED GUIDE FOR TURNING
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NOTE! The guide is being reformated, updated and rearranged ATM, so some sections are missing. I'm not sure how long will it take, but some sections will be missing for a while, I appologize. You can look for information on Invisibility and metagaming in the 4th post from the top, it is the editing section. Im the mean time, the introductory, Smoke Bomb, Pounce and Backstab sections have been updated and compise the first two posts, so do check out the new format
LujoIntroduction
is historicaly one of the most misunderstood heroes in the HoN roster, rarely picked competitively, and subjected to much debate. His competitive use in DoTA is obscure to most of the HoN Community, his role as a carry is disputed, and his vulnerability to stealth countering gear is percieved as a fact of life.
However, I find
This guide is novel length, and it might take somebody an hour to read it all, but if you need convincing and recommendation, scroll bellow and read the posts from the people who have read it already, especially the ones who TRIED USING it.
A quality guide for NH MUST be long and detailed for the following reasons: his skills have numerous equally important uses, his role and defining features are widely misunderstood, and there are a lot of seemingly obvious counters for him that can be overcome with awareness, understanding and skill. This is why my guide is absurdly long but I promise it will be rewarding for those who take the time to read it carefully.
Video Material
As of yet, I haven't posted any screenshots or video segments to accompany this guide, but I have added links to two pro-level replays that showcase a lot of what I'm talking about here. The first one is the famous phe'v's pro NH rape video, which is a good point to start at, but it displays brilliant teamplay and overall HoN play rather than spectacular NH play. The second one, with Overpow playing NH, is a lot more interesting, as you don't have to be one of the best players in the world to immitate it, yet it displays some of the NH specific techniques a lot better.
phe'v: http://hon.esportmedia.com/video/201...ch-load-vs-phb
Overpow: http://hon.esportmedia.com/video/201...rch-kde-vs-msi
Those are good places to start, but are by no means be all end all guides to playing NH. This guide has been here for a while, and some of the techniques that phe'v and Overpower have demonstrated are allready explained in detail here, so I will only add reference to the videos when I find them important as a demonstration, or when the performance could've possibly been ENHANCED.
This CRITICAL approach towards phe'v's match especially is because while I feel very proud of nice moments in the spotlight for NH, I am annoyed at the persistant idea that phe'v's stomp was the ultimate and definitve performance a NH could give. In other words, you can learn a lot about RIKIMARU from that video, what you can learn here is all that plus stuff about NIGHT HOUND, as well
Hero Basics
HERO TYPE: Ganker, AoE support, Melee DPS, Soft carryRole
PREFFERED STARTING LANE: In most circumstances any side lane, dual-lane
EARLY GAME POWER: Low/Moderate
MID/LATE GAME POWER: Strong
FARMING CAPABILITIES: Low early and good from early mid game on
HERO WEAKNESS: Weak early game, low STR progression, skill intensive
HERO STRENGHT: Abusable skills, high damage output, allows for complex strategies
WORST ENEMIES: Legionaire, chain disablers and silence
BEST ALLIES: Babysitters (early), Initiators (mid/late)
BEST AGAINST: Anything and everything except Legionaire, really
PLAYER SKILL REQUIREMENT: NH's effectivenes rises exponentially with the player's and his team's skill.
Night Hound is a complex SKILLS (abillities) ORIENTATED HERO, even if he does have 2 passive skills. He is a GANKER, CHASER, NUKER, AoE DISABLER/SUPPORT and COUNTER INITIATOR with moderate LANING capabilities and great CARRY POTENTIAL.
ABOVE ALL -
Generally, the only thing besides your skill with NH that affects your performance is the skill, communication and coordination of your teammates. Seemingly horrible matchups with heavy hate are not a problem, as will be explained below, and can be seen in the videos. If YOU are good, your worst enemy is your own team.
However,
He is the BEST CHOICE if you, like me, dislike boring linear heroes. Even in the games you are dominating you are always walking a razors edge with your low healthpool, he requires and helps develop both tactical and strategic skills, allows for good teamplay and mind games, is a good counter to many popular heroes and his awesomeness potential is HUGE - a game dominated by a NH always raises a few eyebrows, and if you search Honcast for replays you will be hard pressed to find a game where NH was picked and didn't dominate.
The Skillset - An in-depht view
To understand NH you have to understand his skills and have a very good feel of them, as well of their synergies. Let's examine them in great depth one by one, with tips for newbies and stuff to consider by pros alike. I warn you, this will be an EXTREMELY detailed and pedantic journey.
Cursory overview:
Take a moment to familiarize yourself with all 4 skills, as it will make all the talk about their syneriges, proper usage and disclaimers easier.
SMOKE BOMB
This skill is a 6 seconds MASS DISABLE that applies most possible debuffs to an area short of outright stunning or holding people. Because of not stunning and holding it is difficult for newbies, noobs and elitist to see how powerfull it really is.
It is the most powerful skill NH possesses and it is considered one of the most powerful skills in the game by some experienced DoTA players. Unless you know how to use it well, never pick NH in a serious game.
Because it is a powerfull support skill in addition to a ganking tool and an escape mechanism, I advise the NH player to have some experience with supporting and initiation, even if the rest of his skillset makes him a GANKER/CARRY at the same time.Facts and insight:
The power of Smoke Bomb has led to a rise of a NH mantra/meme that goes: "Invisibility is not NH's ulti - Smoke Bomb is." I subscribe to this philosophy, if NH ever needs balancing a good way would be to actually make Smoke Bomb his ulti and invisibility a skill, as ATM he is probably the only hero that can get his ulti at lvl1.
A) It SILENCES, SLOWS MOVEMENT, SLOWS ATTACK SPEED and MAKES ENEMIES MISS ON ATTACKS. It is a good disable against both heroes that rely on skill usage (casters) and the ones relying on attacking (carries). It's effects are felt in every stage of the game, becoming increasingly more important as the opposing team starts increasing their damage and attack speed. It is, in all but name, NH's ULTI.
B) It's cooldown and mana cost make it moderately SPAMMABLE. A properly placed Smoke Bomb will affect the desired area for 6 seconds so the time between two smoke bombings is actually 9 seconds. This comes into play often in team fights and prolonged pushes.
C) It affects the static AREA, not the TARGETS, so if somebody moves out of it the debuffs are gone, but people can still move into it and become affected.
D) It affects the OPPONENTS under it with a debuff, not ALLIES by giving them extra protection abilities. Because of this it should be cast to affect OPPONENTS giving anyone fighting them at close range protection that way. It STACKS with evasion making you or your teammates even harder to hit if you have evasion and are fighting under the cloud.
E) It CAN'T BE DISSPELLED, and it's effects cannot be REDUCED by any anti magic gear. I'm sill unsure whether Shrunken Head, Jereziah or Predator can ignore it with their magic protection, but as it silences they can only turn those abilities on before entering the cloud, not if you initiate with Smoke Bomb. The only way to get around the miss chance is the true strike abillity of :SavageMace:, but i'm unsure if the developers have removed that abillity, as it is not listed on the items page.
F) It stops channeling spells so it is useful against many powerfull disablers, some of whom are common bans/picks (,
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,
)
Proper and common usage:
If a hero had only this skill and no other useful skills he would still be a viable SUPPORT hero. If it is positioned correctly it is hard to get out off and it is almost impossible to do anything useful while under its effects. If Riki (NH equivalent) was ever picked in serious games of DoTA it was because of this skill. On top of that it is an effective ganking and escaping tool, and you don't need to max it early as one early level of it does wonders. How to use this amazing skill?
A) GANKING WITH IT:
1) It is a great opening move in ganks and counter ganks. If you are invisible and undetected, starting out with a Smoke Bomb, before or after a pounce, preferably placed in the direction your opponents are running to ensure they are silenced right off the bat.
2) Position it in the direction your victim is going to run and backstab him for lots while he is slowed and silenced. If your victim tries to run he will be backstabed, and if he tries to fight his odds lessened by the miss chance and silence. Position it in such away as to keep the victim in the cloud as long as possible. Learning that is tricky.
3) Initiating a gank with Smoke Bomb enables timed stuns to be more precise (thinkor
) and complements the "AoE rapefest" team strategy nicely. Some timed stuns that hold but not silence (
's and :fors:'s stun or
's ultimate) are significantly enhanced by following them up immediately with your smoke bomb.
4) There are cases where you should cast the cloud DIRECTLY ON TOP of your target. If you are ganking a powerfull nuker (such asor
5) This goes double for enemies that can use their abilities to escape ganks such as blinkers (exp.,
, :chro
,
). You can see Smoke Bomb put to great use this way by phe'v in the first video from the video section, against
6) If your team is ganking two opponents, smoking the RANGED opponent is almost always te superior choice. The benefit is two-fold: ranged heroes standing outside the cloud do not suffer the miss chance debuff and can hit targets under the cloud normaly, as well as cast spells, and ranged heroes tend to be softer and easier to dispatch so the melee hero will most often run into the cloud trying to help his or her teammate.
7) If you scouted the opposing team coming to help a ganked teammate you can choose not to revel yourself until a second before they arrive and smoke bomb them right in front of the gank but before the are in range needed to help their ganked teammate. This move, if done well can turn a gank into half a genocide easily.
B) USING SMOKE BOMB IN TEAMFIGHTS:
There are THREE approaches to smoke bombing you can use for teamfights depending on the state of the game, your team composition, your farm and your relative position to the physical location of the teamfight.
1) In a preferred scenario, your initiator (exp.,
) will go in first, preferably blink in or sneak among the other team and let loose his disable, nuke, or provoke the other team into trying to take him or her down. Your best move is to use your pounce to blink right in a split second afterwards (as the second guy in) and quickly smoke bomb the (hopefully) stunned opposing team. The ensuing silence and slow should allow your team to land in all their spells giving your team an advantage. My standard procedure after throwing down the bomb is to either keep attacking the target i have pounced on, or activate my Ghost Marchers (as blinking, smoking and attacking has revealed me already), gain unitwalk so I wouldn't get creepblocked, and home in on whatever target is primary, be it the carry or the main supporter.
2) In case you are the one initating the team fight by pouncing in, the procedure is quite the same, but the risk involved is much higher so I do not advise it unless you are severely well farmed as you might get stunned before getting your smoke bomb off. Overpow managed a particualrly well executed initiation with the help of both smoke bomb and Nullfire Blade when he killed a domineering
3) If you aren't blinking in to the team fight with pounce, but rather approaching form the side, sneaking among the other team undetected, or simply not able to get all possible targets under the effects, you might want to use your Smoke Bomb to split the opposing team by isolating key disablers or a squishy carry that is waiting for cleanup. Even if the other team backs off your team might get a kill or two from the fight this way, or you might get the other team to chase you in which case just activate your Ghost Marchers to mess up their timed stuns and run as you fade into stealth, or pounce to safety if that is possible. This approach comes into play often when your team is up against a Vindicator () as his aura prevents you from following your Pounce up with a Smoke Bomb, or if the opposing team is scattered to avoid the AoE initiation.
C) DEFENSIVE USES OF SMOKE BOMB
1) You can help your teammate in a lane with Smoke Bomb, combined with skilful Pounce harass. This strategy makes you a fine lane mate if you get it right and don't face extremely dominating laners. The obvious method is smoking the disablers and nukers, as well as the path of chasers, most profitably if you catch them in the range of your tower.
2) This usage extends well into the ganking phase, as you can easily ruin ganks by smoking the disablers that you scouted out while invisible.
You can and should help your teammates escape ganks with it. Before the other team gets sick of you and buys revealing gear you will not get ganked much due to your invisibility. Because of that, your teammates will be ganked and targeted more often. Throw a bomb on top of either your ganked teammate, the attackers or between them - if they keep going at it it's almost like a long stun. It can even turn gankers into ganked if they didn't anticipate you being there.NOTE: if one of your teammates gets ganked by 5 people and you are the only one around sometimes he was just too unlucky or stupid to be helped. Most people will understand if you judge correctly and let one guy die instead of dying along with him for no gain.3)As it stops channeling spells so it is useful against
DON'T use this fact as an excuse to just lurk and steal kills all game long, though, or I'll personaly find your replay and you'll be the star of a separate video section on how to be an incredible noob. Do yourself a favour and leave it to the,
, and most importantly a superb counter for
early, and allows you to be on channel breaking duty usualy reserved for
NOTE: If you ruin disables a lot you will become the primary target for those disables, but still,4) All this lends itself well for DEFENDING AGAINST ENEMY INITIATION IN TEAMFIGHTS. Don't get caught by the enemy initiator and smoke the hell out of him. He will find himself unable to unload his wicked combo and silenced in a group of your teammates. If you aren't the main carry of your team, that is practicaly all that is expected from you along with scouting, moping up survivors and making the squishies run for it.
NOTE: This is a crucial feature of the NH, and the reason I was successfully using him before they ported Vindicator. As opposed to his constant aura of silence, your ability is activated, which means you have to stay a bit away from your team as not to get caught in an AoE disable. The benefit is that it breaks channels immediately, as opposed to Vindicators aura which does silence but lets the caster finish chanelling.5) It's GREAT for TOWER DEFENSE and STOPPING PUSHES - it stops melee attackers form hitting the tower.
One cool and very important spell it works nicely against is the feared Chronosphere, :chro:'s ulti. Don't get caught by it and smoke the insides of the sphere once you've leveled Smoke Bomb - Chronos will have a really hard time killing anyone with 70% miss chance.
Four out of five times it will make the opposing team back off until it clears out if you cast it directly in their way to the tower, thus either breaking a push with a single spell, or giving your teammates more time to assemble at the tower, often making your opponents reconsider the push alltogether. Against solo pushers, you can prolong tower life and delay successful pushing for a good time with this move against most teams, so make sure to keep an eye on your towers.
6) It helps or enables your team to turns the tables on most supposed counter heroes picked specially to deny you invisibility (provided by your ulti), since some of the most popular are QUITE VULNERABLE to most of its effects, making you, surprisingly, a good COUNTER to those heroes, as they are likely to show up in many games where you pick early in order to secure
D) SMOKE BOMB IN PUSHES
Smoke Bomb has at some point been nerfed so that
HOWEVER: If your team is taking down a tower and you see somebody porting in with homecoming stone, always place a Smoke Bomb on top of the area he is porting to. This often nets an easy kill for your team unless the other guy cancels the port.
E) FARMING WITH SMOKE BOMB
Apparently, if you cast Smoke Bomb over neutral creeps they will ignore you so you can backstab them freely.Use this information as you will. Thank Imperator300 for pointing this out.
Items that synergize with Smoke Bomb:
The holy grail of anyone who tends to think in terms of one on one fights regarding Smoke Bomb seems to be keeping the victim in the cloud utill killed. This is of course handy when trying to gank various blinkers, but not really neccessary in my expirience, as I find the teamplay aspects of
HOWEVER, there are situations where killing somebody while he is slowed and silenced is very good for your team and these items lend themselves nicely to the task. Frostburn is for me the only CORE item here, but all the others are somewhat viable depending on the overall skill level of the game (PSR, pub or pro), whether there will be a long enough ganking phase, and Nullfire is core for certain matches.
:NullfireBlade: NULLFIRE BLADE - The default DoTA player's ganking tool for NH. The charges of purge can be used to slow down your victim keeping it in the cloud for hopefully enough time to kill it. It was used masterfully by Overpow, and was somewhat less usefully utilized by phe'v. It adds more damage, but less survivability then Frostburn, at a point in the game when I find I need the extra hit points more. It is however a good and needed counter to some popular heroes.Smoke Bomb Conclusion:
:HackNSlash: FROSTBURN - A HoN exclusive item that has yet to overtake Nullfire with the pro's as the primary objective of NH players. Never the less, the pro's built it after Nullfire in the featured matches. In my expirience the slow it provedes is a godsend as it is applied with each attack, and the hp bonus it provides goes a long way to help with your low strenght gain. In my expirience you can skip the nullfire completely in its favour in most matches where :NullfireBlade: is not needed as a counter to specific heroes.
:ElderParasite: ELDER PARASITE - Some players use this item as their lifesteal of choice relying on insane attack speed to help them kill the opponents before they can get out of the cloud. It can be used in conjunction with other ganking items, but makes you even more of a glass cannon and even more vulnerable to focused stuns and nukes. If you can pull it off, fine by me, but I would not advise going for it as your first item.
There are more advanced tactical and strategic uses for Smoke Bomb that derive from these basic ones, but I think it's one of the most versatile skills in the game with the usages listed, as it seriously affects most, if not all, heroes. Learn to use well it and you will be a support GOD, while at the same time being a great ganker as well, and with no other support skills or items at all.
Playing a Night Hound without Smoke Bomb is even worse clueledsness then playingwithout Whirling Blade.
Not being aware of the power of Smoke Bomb is what made most of the community think of Night Hound as a sub-par pick for a long time, and many new players find this section of the guide most revealing. Honestly, a very short, but completely true guide to NH could be 4 words long: USE TEH SMOKE, N00B!, since there are very few situations where you and your team DON'T profit heavily from a SKILLFUL AND TIMELY Smoke Bomb.
If you're still not sure how epic Smoke Bomb can be, check out this Smoke Bomb promo referencing phe'v's video (courtesy of Dews)
Last edited by Lujo; 08-31-2010 at 10:50 AM.
POUNCE
This skill is a combination of a BLINK and a NUKE that INSTANTLY both teleports you to the BACK of your target and strikes your target for pounce damage, attack damage and backstab damage. You can target FRIENDLY TARGETS with it to BLINK only without striking, which makes it another handy escape mechanism too.
It is a versatile skill that has a strong synergy with your third skill (the damage adding Backstab), and with your normal damage progression meaning that it scales. Since it is a physical-type skill you can target anything with it except people under the effects of :VoidTalisman:.
It is your bread and butter skill and should be maxed ASAP.
Facts and insight:
A) It blinks and strikes immediately, adding the bonus damage and any backstab to your regular attack damage. When this is fully leveled it hits for 120 + your attack damage + your AGI (once you fully level Backstab). Even reduced by armor, that's one powerful spammable nuke, as well as one of the few SCALING NUKES in the game.
B) It can be cast on friendly units which only teleports without damaging and makes this a handy ESCAPE TOOL, as well as giving some of the potential for quick movement by using creeps. It can teleport you from one level of terrain to another without having to run up or down a ramp. This comes into play in mid lane fights, or fights in or near the river.
C) It has a range of 700, which is quite a way away, allowing for unexpected initiation and nuking from out of nowhere, even without invisibility.
D) On lvl 1 it has a long cooldown. When maxed out it is HIGHLY SPAMMABLE - if you initiate with it you can almost always finish with it or even cast it twice more in the course of the chase once it is lvl 4. Spamming it allows for faster chasing and kills, as well as supreme moping up after indecisive teamfights that
E) A MOST IMPORTANT FACT - It's damage type is PHYSICAL, not magic which means you can target ANYTHING except buildings with it. EXPLOIT THIS TO THE FULL EXTENT! It works on SIEGE ENGINES! It works on MAGIC IMMUNE CREEPS! It works through :ShrunkenHead:, :jera:'s Protective Charm and's Stone Hide!
F) Pounce SCALES as you gain levels and items. As it includes your attack and backstab damage, all but 120 damage stacks with LIFESTEAL and CRITICAL. Assessing it's power as a nuke, by late mid-game its damage gets up to over 400 or over a 1000 with critical. We are talking Pyromancer's or Witch Slayer's ulti in one or two pounces (0-5 seconds) for 50 or 100 mana, from up to 700 distance away regardless of magic protection. If this is not retarded powerful I honestly don't know what is.
Disclaimers:
A) It's pathing is bugged: sometimes it hits from the front, but not very often.
B) NH will sometimes stop attacking after the Pounce and just sit there, or even turn around and attack nearby creeps instead of the target you just pounced. Prevent this by ordering attack immediately, or even queing up the attack as you run towards the pounce range.
C) As opposed to a regular blink, you need to have VISION on an actual TARGET to pounce. You can't Pounce blindly into the fog. Having observer wards in key places helps you a lot for chasing purposes.
D) It also makes it a bit unreliable as an escape mechanism as you have to have a target to Pounce on to get away (not necessarily a friendly target, you can use neutral or even enemy targets to blink away). This unreliability is one of the main defensive reasons to take a look at the Ghost Boots approach in the items section, as you will not always have anywhere to pounce to, and that 700 distance might not be enough if that nuker chasing you has HIS Ghost Marchers to catch up.
E) Pounce puts you in position to backstab, but it also put's you right in the thick of action - making you a prime target for a disable. Unless you are using it to close the distance to your target, as a secondary initiator, or for positioning, Smoke Bomb is often the superior initiation move.
F) Since Pounce's damage type is physical, it is reduced by armour. This hinders its scaling a bit, but that can be offset by having armour reduction on your team ('s ulti works really well there). It also means that Void Talisman (:VoidTalisman
E) It's easy to steal kills with it. Well, sometimes you click while running towards the gank and it just happens. Sometimes you just need to kill as fast as possible or maybe your team is counting on you to be a carry and is feeding you kills, but sometimes, especially if you're not the main carry it's supremely foolish for several reasons.1 - if you're any good with NH you will probably end up with plenty or even most kills in your team anyway and there are teammates that need those kills more, since pouncing and backstabing everything gives you nice farm, and backstab gives you a lot of power with cheap items.So don't be greedy, it's a mortal sin.
2 - a kill is not worth that much really. NOT DYING IS. An average creepwave gives as much gold as an average kill if you get all the last hits in.
3 & MOST IMPORTANT - is that the other team might not be aware of exactly how dangerous you are until it becomes too late for them to do anything about it. Being the only one with a huge number of kills early on will pull unwanted attention to you and can lead to the opponents buying anti-stealth gear earlier than is good for you.
Proper and common usage:
A) FARMING WITH POUNCE:
For 50 mana, every 5 seconds you can hit anything for around 300 damage at least, very early on. The cheapness, effectiveness and spammabillity of Pounce, as well as it's physical damage type means you can last hit siege engines and take down magic immune creeps without fail very quickly, significantly increasing your farming potential. Your core items are cheap and each one increases attack damage and/or backstab meaning you can hit harder and farm faster.
Spam it while farming, and use it to FARM SIEGE ENGINES. You and
I put this usage up first and stress its importance because God/Allah/Buddha/Kali/Dawkins said unto Night Hound: "I give ye the power of nuking magic immune stuff for 50 mana! Ye shall pounce siege engines, and all siege engines shall be last hit by ye, and ye shall outlevel everyone with great retardedness!" and there was much pwnage throughout the late mid games because of this. It will be elaborated in the backstab section.
Very soon after you complete Firebrand or Nullfire Blade, you will be able to pounce-kill the ranged creep in an instant with Pounce. You then run behind the siege engine an dispatch it quickly with Backstab and Pounce leaving the melee creeps to any teammates present (ensuring a satisfying division of gold and XP) or last hitting them if alone for getting the gold for the entire creep wave with little to no skill and no farming items.
This reduces your farming time allowing you to spend more time ganking and helping stop pushes, as you should.
This is an example where phev's performance could've been better had he demonstrated awareness of a HoN specific feature - the physical skills. Pouncing seige engines SEVERELY improves NH's farm, allowing for better items faster. The second commentator in the phe'v video is wrong, NH has fine farm with basic items, but phe'v just didn't utilise it to the full extent. Overpow, however did.
B) NUKING WITH POUNCE:
Nuking your way through siege machinery aside, there are three situation in which the nuking power of Pounce comes into play: as a finishing move, as a damage enchancer and as one of the few nukes that work through magic immunity.
1) Finishing move is simple. If you are homing in on an allready damaged opponent, chasing afer a runner, or simply initiated a gank with smoke bomb and delt some damage, nuke for the win. It allows you to mop up after teamfights supremely well because right after you've finished backstabing one target, you can pounce after another one and finish him off quickly, as well as mow down runners with your superiror move speed items.
2) Damage enchancer means you spam it while you fight. If the guy you are ganking decides to fight figuring he does better damage sometimes you can win because you have - a nuke.
Say you opened with a Smoke Bomb, but the victim managed to move out of the smoke and is now fighting back while facing you. Most heroes will do better damage then you in this situation, but Pounce is spammable and adds significant damage so spam it while you fight, or if you are very confident in your abilities and the other guy has no stun or nuke, just fight until you are both low on health and Pounce for the kill.
3) Against :jera:,
C) POSITIONING WITH POUNCE:
Use it to blink into teamfights and ganks. This greatly reduces the effectiveness of revealing gear because you will skip running 700 distance units and get straight to the Smoke Bombing and DPS part, preventing the other team from disabling you while you run up to them. If they don't see you comming they can't disable you even if they have deinied you invisibility, and once you smoke bomb and start pounding on them you will be revealed anyway.
1) If you are blinking into TEAMFIGHTS, always be the SECOND guy in, a split second after your tank/initiator eats the disables or let's loose his own disables. Follow up with an immediate Smoke Bomb, as that is your strongest feature. Most blink/aoe heroes need to farm up their 2150 gold for their PORTAL KEY, and yours is BUILT IN, which lets you focus on farming your survivability and damage items and still be usefull for your team.
2) When you're pouncing into GANKS you should be doing it to close the distance and immediately position yourself for backstab from 700 units away. Follow it up with a Smoke Bomb and possible charges from Nullfire Blade. You can spam it for the kill.
D) ESCAPING ALL SORTS OF TROUBLE WITH POUNCE:
Among is other uses, Pounce is NH's second ESCAPE MECHANISM. It can be done by pouncing on both friendly targets (for no damage, only the blink) or enemy targets (if getting away from towers or more dangerous enemies), as it puts quite a bit of space from the spot you were standing on and your new location. It is however unreliable, as noted earlier in the DISCLAIMERS section.
1) Pounce your way out of teamfights if needed, prefferably targeting something towards your nearest tower or a good path of escape. Procede by activating your Ghost Marchers if you have them and GTFO fading into stealth.
2) Pounce away from timed stuns and non-instant nukes. Requires good reflexes but frustrates the hell out of that
3) Pounce your way from DISABLES THAT DON'T SILENCE. You can show :fors:,,
,
and
4) If you are BEING CHASED OR GANKED Pounce to put 700 units distance between you and the chaser, get up or down a level of terrain or completely change the direction you are running. Check the Overpow video for a great pounce on a teammate to escape a 5 man rape in the enemy base, and note the importance of teamplay in this regard.
E) FOR ADVANCED USERS - APPLYING ALL YOU'VE LEARNED SO FAR FOR BREAKING PUSHES:
If a guy breaks from a fight with low hp, Pounce after him - the nuke might kill him off and you are the poster boy of the runner killing bussiness. If he survives the initial pounce it can cause a total collapse of the push as his teammates rush back to peel you off his back. You can then become invisible and your team can either away or punish the confused opposition for breaking ranks.
If you want to provoke such a push collapse you will sometimes have the opportunity to to pounce after the runner then throw a smoke bomb between you/victim and the opposing team, making the would be helper or the next runner run stright into the cloud where your teammates can eat him alive, or you can get him or them by pouncing back after you mowed down the first runner (with the help of the speed burst of Ghost Marchers or purge slow from Nullfire Blade).
Items that synergize with Pounce:
A) ALL YOUR AGI-BOOSTERS - Pounce takes Backstab damage into account and because of that you get double the benefit regarding damage from stacking your AGI. The benefits of making your AGI skyrocket are detailed in the Backstab section, but should be mentioned here too, as that is what makes Pounce scale.
B) POWER SUPPLY :PowerSupply: - Three charges give you 45 mana and Pounce costs 50 mana. You will break stealth when you Pounce anyway, and you shouldn't mind breaking it a split second earlier to be ABLE to pounce, especially for the kill or to GTFO.
C) LOGGER'S HATCHET :LoggersHatchet: - Amplifying your damage means you can kill the ranged creep in a creepwave with a single pounce earlier which increases your farm significantly. Add to that the fact that pouncing the ranged creep puts you behind the meele creeps so you can Backstab them for more quick farming. Ditto for pouncing siege engines and neutral creeps.
D) RIFTSHARDS :Riftshards: - Not a core item on NH, more of a pubstompers delight, but if you want to give people heart attacks, check it out - it stacks with all you've got, and is the only non AGI boosting item I would consider. 1000+ damage pounces make me LOL. For all you DoTA fans missing Mortred, you can jump people from the bushes for retarded amounts with NH.
Team composition regarding Pounce:
Pounce lends itself well to two kinds of teams:
A) THE BLINK/AoE INITIATOR TEAM - The most favourable team for NH as Pounce is his built-in positioning tool, and he can also fill the keep-tabs-on-Vindicator role. The more AoE initiators the better as NH works really well with them for ganking purposes, too. Guys you want include:, whathave you. Getting some of them on your team is also nice to deny them to the other side as good players will inconvinience you a bit, but on the flip side, smoke bomb and/or scouting with invisibility makes NH a fine choice AGAINST the blink/aoe strategy.
B) THE ARMOR REDUCTION TEAM - Well, it doesn't have to be an entire team of armour reducers, ascan also be a good idea as a good pestilence can inconvinience you and his ulti sinergizes with all your physical damage.
is a good farm hog main carry for you to play support carry for, and there are many more nice choices.
Summary on Pounce:
So, use it to last hit creeps, to take down siege engines, to initiate or join ganks and team fights, to finish of heroes or make them run for it, to chase, to escape. It allows for uncanny last hits early game and combined with defnsive smoke bombs and creep pulling ensures you never get too outfarmed or denied thus reaching your ulti and core items in respectable fashion.
Considering Smoke Bomb, Pounce and Invisibility are all escape mechanisms, learning to pounce away from timed stuns and all sorts of trouble practicaly makes NH HoN's master of the ancient mystic art of GTFO.
Also, having one of the few scaling nukes in the game, that is also a built in positioning tool is quite something for a skill that costs only 50 mana and refreshes every 5 seconds, no?
BACKSTAB
This passive skill is NH's a unique scaling skill, and sets NH apart from other heroes more than any of his other skills, as it affects your item choices and gameplan the most.
It is not obvious at first glance, as many heroes have scaling skills or skills that increse their damage output, but getting to level 10, where you should have your Backstab fully leveled, a fully leveled Pounce and one level of both Smoke Bomb and Invisibility, along with your cheap core items, you approach (and might even reach beyond) HARD CARRY levels of HITTING POWER before most people are remotely ready for it.
True hard carries can overtake you eventually, but a good NH hard-carries the later mid game, either through being the AoE support and DPS machine in teamfights, scouting and ganking the living crap out of the other team, or simply being a major pain in the a** and gank bait which buys his team's true hard carry time to get farmed up. Some of this can be seen from the videos in the video section.
All this revolves around the fact that Backstab adds an amount of damage to your attack damage equal to your agility, which means you get twice the damage from agility boosting items than any other hero. How come this matters so much?
Facts and insight:
A) FULLY LEVELD BACKSTAB adds your Agillity to your damage when hitting from the back (or just slightly to the side). Since agillity is your primary attribute, you allready get one point of damage for each point of agility you have (from both levels and items). With Backstab you effectively get TWICE your agility translated into damage (once from the primary attribute, once from Backstab).
B) Backstab only applies when striking from the back, so to get the most out of it proper positioning (see Pounce), making people run for it (see Smoke Bomb), stealhty ambushes (see Invisibility) and having disablers on your team should be considered, practiced and mastered.
C) Backstab, being a damage output enhancer and NOT A CRITICAL STRIKE,STACKS with, lifesteal, Pounce and critical hits so the the items you will want to EVENTUALLY have are a lifesteal item, and possibly upgraded Riftshards for obscene criticals on on a Pounce.
Backstab and game flow:
A) BEFORE LEVEL 10:
NH's starting damage is nothing to write home about so a :LoggersHatchet: is often used to help with last hitting. Leveling Backstab without beefing up your Agillity through levels and item purchases doesn't give as much last hitting power as leveling and using Pounce during the laning phase. You have to take this into account for the early item purchases as you should probably not level Backstab higher than lvl 1 before you reach character lvl 8.
This means two things - AGI boosting items that become bargains for you with fully leveled backstab don't mean as much during laning phase, AND you can't rely on Backstab for damaging your opponents.
This is one of if not the major reason for going the Ghost Marchers route (even rushing them as early as possible) as they give 24 damage for 1500 gold (a bargain in itself) at a point in the game when you can't possibly rely on Backstab and desperately need the damage. No THEY DON'T SYNERGIZE with Backstab later on, but they work REGARDLESS of Backstab at a point where Backstab has not yet kicked in, thus steadying your game damage wise. Keep in mind that your first 1000+ gold item afterwards should be Firebrand for (among other things) the HP bonus to help missing out on Steamboots survivability perks, possibly even augumented by a :FortifiedBracelet:.
B) AFTER LEVEL 10:
After you've reached character lvl 10, meaning you've fully leveled Backstab, your damage output has incresed significantly. This means faster farm, and a very NH specific occurence - for every AGI boosting item you purchase (or have allready purchased) you can include the damage from Backstab into the cost/effect equation.
I believe the effects of this need some MAJOR EXPLAINING.
If you ever wondered how Zephyr () carries without any scaling abilities typical for hard carries, the answer is that he has superiror farm compared to all other heroes allowing him to have expensive items faster than other heroes. NH accomplishes a simmilar effect approaching from a different angle.
One of the balancing factors in this game is the gold price you have to pay for certain effects. Items are priced according to how available shoud an effect be. This is not always correctly assessed by the developers, but it is the same for all heroes and it is one thing they all have in common. Heroes with great farm subvert this by being able to afford more expensive (and thus specific or powerfull) items earlier, while heroes with scaling skills subvert it by getting more bang for their buck, and hard carrying ussually revolves around getting more from your items than you objectively paid for.
Because of a nice and adequate farm with Pounce and Backstab, NH can skip the obligatory farming tool most carries go for (either :RunedAxe: or :Thunderclaw
This means he can go straight for the middle range priced ganking tools in Frostburn or Nullfire blade, but with a kicker - because of Backstab, those items, priced to be easilly accesible stepping stones, are actually NH's MAJOR-ASS DPS ITEMS!
Those items are got for utility, and are priced accordingly, but you get more damage then you pay for along with the utility. Frostburn was ment to give 28 damage but 44, Nullfire Blade was ment to give 22/26 damage, not 44/52. Wingbow wasn't ment to give 90 damage. NH doesn't break the game, but he quite literaly breaks the balance on those items and some of their components. Not to mention that as long as you're stabbing backs your effective AGI gain for the purposes of calculating attack damage is 5.8.
The cummulative effect of stacking agility for purposes of increasing your backstab, which leads up to Wingbow eventualy, enables NH to hit like a truck with the same amount of farm most other heroes would require just to get their farming tools. The very late endgame damage output might not be comparable, but the phase where NH gets scary comes at a point in the game where most opponents aren't ready for it yet, and with good teamplay that moment where the other team catches up often never comes.
Another fun fact about this is that stacking all that AGI will increase your attack speed and armor along with your damage.
Backstab and the tactical outlook:
The benefits of Backstab only apply when you're pouncing or hitting form the back. This leads to a few general guidelines:
A) Before you level Backstab play like you don't have it. Because you don't.
B) Try not to gank alone too much unless ganking squishy targets. Its easier to backstab disabled opponents or opponents focusing on someone else. Besides, you're squishy so you really want someone beefier to eat the opposing nukes.
C) Same applies to teamfights and blinking into them after your initiators as a rule. As long as the other team is not paying too much attention to you you can keep hitting them for a lot.
D) Use your Pounce, Invisibility and possible unitwalking to position yourself to Backstab. With the right gear and a bit of skill NH is a mobile little bastard.
E) Farm creeps from the back. Siege engines go down really fast to this. You can use the smoke bomb on neutral creeps to make them stand still if you want.
THE INVISIBILITY SECTION IS CURRENTLY BEING REFORMATED, REWORKED AND UPDATED IN THE 4th POST.
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6.0 THE QUESTION OF SKILL
You might have noticed I keep mentioning low-skilled opponents and NH player's skill as an important factor, but in high level gameplay most players are of equal skill so it shouldn't matter, right? Well not really, as there are three things to always keep in mind:
1) REGARDING YOUR OWN SKILL
NH has a few things that are easy to learn and almost set in stone. His skill progression is algorithmic as well as most of his core item acquisition. You will do good with the skill progression I will list below and there is probably no reason to deviate from it. I have yet to find a better alternative to my starting gear and core items, the only possible difference might come of choosing which late mid-game or carry items you get first later.
HOWEVER, NH's skills are VERY multipractical, many faced and skill intensive. It would be a lot less skill intensive if you had more time to act, but as a ganker, chaser, blinker and disabler the course of action must sometimes be chosen and possibly changed in a matter of a single second if you want true and masterful badassery. There is just so much possible use, opportunity and need for use for each of his skills, that it takes practice and time investment to become not just useful to your team, but frustratingly and humiliatingly dangerous as well.
Knowing the abilities of the heroes you gank is also quite important, so learning what different heroes can or can't do is a must. This is especially true for AoE heroes, as some AoE abilities won't affect you if you are stealthed, and some will.
Having said all that, NH is a fun hero to play even if you're not too skilled yet, so gaining skill with him is very fun if you have a good and supportive team, and he can be mastered to a satisfying degree in a matter of a few nights of pubstomping.
2) THE ANTI-PUB MENTALITY HERO
Concerning the skill level of the opposing team, if you take the time to play a lot of low-mid level AP games picking NH, you will notice people picking a supposed counter-hero for you about 80% of the time. This is where an interesting phenomenon kicks in.
You see, in my experience, the counter hero, Pestilence, Scout, Arachna or Tree, is often picked by a player of low skill for one or more of three reasons. First, they are popular and widely considered OP so the player picks them all the time, and would have done regardless of your pick. Second, more experienced players might suggest that hero to his/her teammate believing it will give him an easier time and a chance to farm you, as well as help the team. Third, and this happens surprisingly often, the poor newbie is pressed into picking a counter for you because everyone else wants to play something else and he has no real experience with the hero.
In all of the above cases, and especially in the third one, you will be the one farming THEM, as NH is a good counter for any of those popular heroes, and furthermore, having a hero that can supposedly counter NH reduces the chance that they will buy revealing gear. Add to that the fact that an inexperienced Arachna has a tendency to feed, the Scout to be a useless kill stealer if not played well, Pestilence having an entire subset of players called ?fail Pestilence? players, and the Tree player not even realizing that his Eyes his counter for you (as well as not being easy to play at all) and you might have an easy game on your hands.
3) THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME
The third fact about skill is a matter of psychology, motivation and adrenaline rush.
You see, stomping a pub where no quality counters to NH are picked or bought is fun, yet easy to the point that very few heroes can compare to NH's ability to make the other team concede in terms of speed. You will rarely ever finish getting all your items with NH in a noobs only game.
BUT, playing against moderately to well experienced opponents is what inspired me to write this absurdly detailed guide. The pressure when you know that the wrong moves WILL get you killed can sharpen your senses and instill in you a grim determination boosting your performance in just about every situation.
Your farming gets more precise, your map awareness a given, your global pushing strategy a matter of life and death and, if you don't break under pressure, those blindingly fast decisions start turning out to be the right ones. The game sings with you and NH becomes an extension of your mind possibly resulting in a string of crowning moments of awesome.
That is if you practiced a lot beforehand, otherwise you make a lot of rash things, die a lot and get rightfully branded as a noob, with a capital N and two zeroes, a N00b so to speak.
I started writing this guide as a result of winning one such game, and they are the true test of whether you have mastered it or not. My team started moaning as soon as I pressed ready on NH, and was voting to kick me before even the first creep wave because they thought I would feed the opposing Scout. I persuaded them to give me a chance, and my lanemate said: "I will give you exactly one chance."
Picking NH in a serious game one chance is all you can expect, but if you're good... It turned out I had 15 kills in a hard match, performed better then all of those that called me a N00b, helped stop numerous pushes, dealt with a Scout and 3 bound eyes and carried for the win in the end without anyone overfeeding me. I gained a few buddies in the process and was invited for another game as soon as that one was over. Yes, when NH pays off, he pays against seemingly insane odds and he pays off big.
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7.0 SKILL BUILD
1. Smoke Bomb (For preventing or possibly helping get Bloodlust, and a million other uses throughout the game, ulti at lvl1
2. Pounce (At this point just a farming too/escape mechanism. Use it to blink to a teammate in case of trouble and last hit creeps.)
3. Pounce
4. Backstab
5. Pounce
6. Invisibility
7. Pounce (At this point a spammable chase-friendly telenuke. Skill wise, you are ready for ganking)
8. Backstab
9. Backstab
10. Backstab (With Iron Shield, Ghost Marchers and Firebrand you are armed and dangerous, Pounce is powerful and farming siege engines is easy)
11. Invisibility
12. Smoke Bomb
13. Smoke Bomb
14. Smoke Bomb (By this point you might actually need the larger radius since team fights and pushes should be going on)
15. Stats
16. Invisibility
17.-25. Stats
ALTERNATIVELY:
1. Pounce
2. Smoke Bomb
3. Pounce
....
Mostly the same as the original build, but allows for a last hitting Pounce right away. I actually prefer this build.
ALTERNATIVELY:
1. Pounce
2. Smoke Bomb
3. Pounce
4. Smoke Bomb
5. Pounce
... (Either Backstab max first, or for max support and less ganking max Smoke bomb first)
JUSTIFICATION
The skills have been discussed to scientific depth already, but as for the progression:
One level of Smoke Bomb is deadly enough for anything but possibly team fights. Learn to use and position it well and it will be all you need until late mid game. Otherwise you can delay Backstab by taking another level of Smoke Bomb at level 4, but that cramps your ganking.
Pounce is maxed ASAP as its usefulness rises exponentially from an escape mechanism at lvl1 to a mutliuse telenuke at lvl4. You are not ready for ganking until you have Pounce lvl4, although it is possible to grab a kill in the lane earlier with a proper lanemate.
Backstab is maxed right after Pounce because of both it's synergy with Pounce and to enable the exploitation of your unconventional item list. Every item you will buy will depend on and enhance Backstab, so maxing it will turn you into a great ganker and allow fast farming without farming items.
Invisibility is taken at every opportunity as it is devastating to teams who do not counter it, and clever play will make it useful even if the other team tries or manages to counter it. Reduction of fade time might seem insignificant on paper, but in practice you will feel the difference.
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ITEM BUILD
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BASIC STARTING ITEMS:
MANA BATTERY & 2X MINOR TOTEMS (210 + 106): If you're not a habitual user, as you should be, NH is a wonderful hero to learn to appreciate this useful and CHEAP item. Read up on it elsewhere, but the basic use for it is to refill your mana mid chase for Pouncing. Use the two totems to upgrade it to a POWER SUPPLY later, or buy the Power supply recipie right away and buy the battery from the side shop to complete it immediately.
A fully charged Power Supply has the mana for 4 pounces and since you will be lurking around invisible or in the middle of teamfights the charges will fill up easily. Laning against Scout will fill it up fast as every time he uses Vanish will add a charge.
If you die it will often be due to disable/nuke spam and your battery will be charged for when you respawn. It is even better when you manage to survive the nuke/spam fest, and a crowning moment of awesome is when you survive said assault BECAUSE it filled up your battery. At any rate, people will try to nuke or stun you on sight so the battery/supply will rarely be without charges.
Use it to gain health liberaly but keep in mind that using it breaks stealth so duck for cover to use it and wait for fade time to end if the situation requires it.
It is a core item.
RUNES & POTION: It might look like overkill and you could take a mana potion instead of the second set of runes but your healthpool is nototriously low and you should burn through your runes fast. You WILL be harrased by powerfull laners and the potion often comes in handy to heal up the hero you are laning with. It is also usefull after an ocassional towerdiving Pounce.
ADVANCED STARTING ITEMS:
I use this build more often, because starting with a courier helps a lot since both Gost Marchers and Firebrand that you will be getting later can't be assembled from side or secret shops. The monkey's purpose is to carry items for you so you can stay in the lane longer, but it will remove the need to go back to base for Ghost Marchers and Firebrand. Use it to bring all your basic gear.
The courier can also bring you Health and Mana refreshents when you run out and it can bring you the iron shield if you are forced to tower hug due to being in a tough lane.
The trinket of restoration all but elimiantes the need for consumables if you are carefull, and if you creep pull you will not be harrassed much. It is also a component for Abyssal Skull later on but can be sold and rebought in a pinch.
This build icreases the overall costs by 200, or 400 if you improve your courier into a flying courier.
HOW TO USE THE COURIER: As soon as you buy the monkey, select him and hotkey him to a key with ctrl+key, and hotkey yourself to another key. While the monkey is in base a little shop icon is shown above the inventory that you can click to open the shop. If you select the monkey by hotkey, your screen remains where it was so you can keep an eye on your NH.
Send your monkey to bring you your equipment by selecting the apropriate button, then order him to return as soon as he finishes by holding shift and selecting the return button. this will queue the orders to follow one another.
Remember to select your NH again, as not to give more orders to the monkey.
EARLY/LANEING ITEMS:
IRON SHIELD (550): Can be bought from the side shop by buying an Iron Buckler and 2X Duck Boots. It should be your first item, starting with the Iron Buckler ASAP. As you will be focused and harassed throughout the game this little thing will prevent an enormous total amount of damage. It can later be scrapped for inventory space, but i prefer to hold on to it untill i get Wingbow.
It is a core item.
GHOST MARCHERS(1500): the OLD steamboots were THE boots for NH, as they gave you a lot of agi and a bracer's worth of strenght, as well as a good movespeed. The 0.3.X stamboots can boost only one stat at a time, and even when turned up to agi don't give as much damage as Ghost Marchers, while giving significantly less movespeed. The att speed buff doesn't make up for it, as you will get all the att speed you'll need from all the agi you will be stacking.
The burst movement speed from Ghost Marchers coupled with the movespeed bonus of Firebrand will make you an insane chaser quite early in the game. Using them will break your stealth but if you use it just before or right after a pounce you will be able to land at least two more hits in. It greatly increeses your chances of getting away from stuff.
SERIOUSLY, and I can't stress this enough - Steamboots are inferior on NH to Ghost Marchers. Even if the cool Russian dude in the video used Steamboots! Check that video again and count the times people have gotten away from him because they were faster? THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN KILLS IF HE HAD GHOST MARCHERS! Yes, he would've indeed raped even harder. SECOND, Steam gives 20 damage with fully leveled backstab (and you will probably get them before you fully level backstab), while Ghost Marchers give 24 damage right away regardless of your level in backstab, making you more dangerous right away. THIRD, so they reveal you if you use them - SO DOES ATTACKING, which is why you're there anyway!
(resumes normal breathing)
It is a core item.
POWER SUPPLY (203): Complete it to free up space in your inventory, as you have probably gotten mana battery from the shide shop right after the shield and before the boots.
Along with the Iron Shield it goeas a long way to help your problem of being public enemy no.1, that is being focused and molested wherever you show up.
It is a core item.
SUMMARY (2250-3220) : These items make you primed and ready for your first ganks. A nice move is to use homecoming stone to switch to a lane you didn't lane in, and use your invisibility along with Smoke Bomb to help your teamates kill or run off their opponents and possibly knock down a tower to gain gold for Slash faster.
WHY NO SOULSCREAM RINGS?
Well, I find that the mana burst from Mana Battery and the damage reduction from Iron Shield are way better than the small stat bonuses from soulscream rings, and are significant all the way to late game. With fully leveled backstab these two items give the same amount of damage as 3 Soulscream rings WOULD GIVE ANY OTHER HERO but take one less inventory slot. Again, even if the cool russian guy in the video bought three soulscreams, I would advise you to assemble your firebrand right away as you cannot count on having a solo lane to farm and a roaming pro tempest and magmus feeding you a kill every other minute. You will get the same statistical benefit from your Firebrand but will require a lot less farm.
ARMED AND DANGEROUS:
(Firebrand picture still to come when they update the items page)
Firebrand (2500): Your most expensive acquisition yet it is the one that makes you a serious pain in the a.. I mean ganker. It is a bit costly for what it gives to most other heroes, but for NH a lone Firebrand is a core item.
It gives movespeed making you rely on Pouncing less, adds 16 AGI, which means an aditional 16 backstab damage, making it actually cost effective for NH, it gives HP and is a component for the hp boosting, debuff removing and tower pushing tool Geometer's bane later on, as well as upgradeable to Frostburn if you're concentrating on ganking more.
SUMMARY (a bit less then 6000 in easy to acquire installments): Iron Shield, Ghost Marchers, Power Supply and Firebrand farmed on time make you a dangerous ganker (the exect deadline waries considering your skill, the skill of your opponents, team compositions and strategies so it can be anything from say 20-30 minutes give or take 5).
With these items you can contribute to any team effort, and your further farming is among the best in the game.
MID GAME ITEMS:
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This is where your primary role and focus in a particular match comes into play. You ARE going to carry at some point and you become beastly when you acquire Wingbow, but two of theese items can and probably should be bought before it.
ABYSSAL SKULL (2050): With high damage output, lifesteal is the first thing that will help turn you into a carry. Carries wouldn't need lifesteal before their big damage items, but as the skull also regenerates mana, getting it right after Frostburn or Geometer's Bane starting with a ring of the teacher is what I ussually do. Keep in mind that two components cannot be bought from the side shop, the ring of protection for ring of the teacher, and the recipie.
It will help you farm with damage and lifesteal, and regenrate your mana which by this point will start to come into play as you will be spamming at least Pounce all the time.
Remember that Pounce attacks steal life.
I consider it a core item.
WHISPERING HELM (Alternative lifesteal) (1850): It is a possible choice of lifesteal, even in addition to the skull as they stack if you want to go for the Symbol of Rage during the late game. It's damage is insignificant to you as well as armor it gives (since the skull gives armor and you will have tons of AGI and two forms of evasion) so I prefer going for the skull, as it is a superior choice on you.
NULLFIRE BLADE (3300): An AGI enhancing item that gives you charges of Purge. Purged units have severely slowed attack speed and move speed, and this item is considered core on NH by many. If you want to be more of a menace in 1v1 situations, or just an even better ganker, go for it before you go for riftshards. It can be got even before Firebrand, as it allows the entire team to chase the target, a opposed to Firebrand which only gives you speed (which you DO need for running away and around).
People swear by it, but I never get it especialy since S2 introduced Frostburn as I find Frostburn a more then an adequate ganking tool, as well as a much more cost efficent one on NH. The reason is that it's too expensive and gets in the way of my smooth transition through game stages and gives me no HP which by this point a NH needs.
Again, the money the cool russian guy from the video spent on his nullfire paid off once or twice, and he assembled Frostburn anyway, so from my expirience, he would've raped even harder if he got his Frostburn right away and used the money he spent on Nullfire to buy Dancing Blade for the staple end-game item Wingbow.
It is a GANKING tool.
FROSTBURN (additional 2500): Since Firebrand is a core item on you, upgrading it to a major-ass ganking/damage item for only 2500 is great. It is also a major item for you since you get 50 total damage making it a serious damage item on you as opposed to a jack-of-all-trades starting item on most other heroes.
It is my preffered GANKING item, and you can rack up quite a nuber of kills if you got it on time as well as acquire Wingbow and lifesteal in no time.
It can also be turned into a Geometers Bane and a Frostwolf Skull later, as I have done on numerous occasions, although you should recognize games where you need the survivability and tower pushing power of geometers earlier so skipping it might be the correct move.
It is a SUPERIOR GANKING item.
GEOMETER'S BANE (2250 + 2700): The item I always made as my mid game before I started mixing it up with Frostburn and since i've swaped to using Ghost Marchers. I find I can gank well enough without Nullfire Blade, and Geometer's gives me much needed HP and removes both Dust of Appearance and Pestilences ulti making my invisibility significantly harder to counter.
Your illusions deal backstab damage but they have invisibility so they will not autoattack and you will have to order them making it a little clumsy.
However it is my preffered mid game item for two reasons. One is that NH gets focused so much that the illusions are some of the best bait in the game (people will waste ulti's trying to off the hated Night Hound), and if your micro is not good enough for that it has a very important use. Geometers bane allows you to solo a tower in no time. Practicaly, as soon as NH gets his Geometer's Bane you can kiss any remaining outer towers goodbye, which also brings in gold for the entire team and allows for getting Wingbow and lifesteal much faster.
Nowdays I go for it against a good pestilence or any reliable revealer except tree and if the game is going to be decided by pushing since getting rid of towers helps your team earn gold and put pressure on the other guys and it helps you tromendously since towers reveal you.
It is a PUSHING and SURVIVABILITY item.
LATE GAME ITEMS:
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Wingbow (6000): Your carry item of choice. In total you get 90 damage from it, 60 att speed, some armour and 30% evasion so you can finally lose the Iron shield. It turns you into a monster if you have lifesteal, and the added benefit is that its component Dancing Blade is broken on you as it gives you 50 damage whereas it gives only 25 to everyone else, so always build it Dancing Blade first (that thing alone turns you into a carry)
Riftshards (2650 + 3 times 950): It seems critical stacks with all you've got so with it you become really unstoppable and can dispatch squishies in up to amazing one pounce. Not really needed and more of a luxiry, some players prefer to go for it in the midgame. You could go for anything late, really, shieldbraker, heart, but this seems to be the most popular choice.
Geometer's Bane and Frostwolf Skull: If you went for Frostburn mid game and aren't burning too much money on rebuys you can take Frostburn apart for these two. Geometer's is always nice to have as it can level the opponent's base in no time as well as significantly increase your DPS, and Frostwolf should give you a teorethical advantage over other carries in a stand up fight as it reduces their ATT speed (but is mainly there because you have a component for it and it's late game so what the hell...)
Symbol of Rage (6150): If you decided to go for the Wispering Helm for lifesteal (inferiror choice IMO) then by all means complete the symbol of rage after wingbow. The HP are usefull.
(More to come, and i will arange it better when it's done)
Last edited by Lujo; 03-31-2010 at 04:26 AM.
4.0 INVISIBILITY
Night Hound learns to better conceal himself, making him invisible to the naked eye when not attacking.
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Required Level: 6 / 11 / 16
Stealth with {3,2.25,1.5} second fade time.
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Your (seemingly) signature skill, the one thing you share with scout. Most people consider NH useless and in need of a babysitter until you reach your ulti. This is not exactly true - if you read my info on Smoke Bomb and Pounce carefully and have some skill with them he can be a good lane partner and dangerous even without his ulti. However you will become dangerous when you become invisible and truly dangerous with Iron Shield-Battery-Boots-Firebrand farmed in good time.
ALWAYS take your ulti. At lvl 1 it takes you 3 seconds of not attacking to become invisible again after you break it, and that is enough time to get chain nuked or stunned if you don't pick your targets and opportunities skillfully.
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WHAT IS IT REALLY, THIS PERMANENT INVISIBILITY? HOW DOES IT WORK?
Invisibility is, unless SUCCESSFULLY COUNTERED by revealing gear and abilities, a RETARDED GOOD ESCAPE MECHANISM. Yes, another one. NH is the guru of the GTFO. If you want to get away from something, or become untargetable, simply back off and do nothing but move for 3-1.5 seconds and you will become stealthed.
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FACTS AND INSIGHT:
1) While invisible you cannot be seen or targeted by anything unless the other team has revealing gear
Area of effect abilities can still stun and damage you. The ones that can stun will all affect you but only Devourers Hook and Pharoh's ulti will reveal you. Some AoE spells that don't stun will not affect you and some will. The one's that DO affect you inclde Corrupted Desciples AoE nuke, and Forsaken Archer?s ulti.
2) Your stealth is broken whenever you use one of your abilities (Pounce, Smoke Bomb), or attack somebody, and it you will be stealthed again after 3/2.25/1.5 seconds after the LAST ACTION that broke your stealth. Using any items will break stealth as well.
3) You can regain stealth while immobilized by a spell if it doesn?t silence you as well. This is important because you can also pounce out of Forsaken Archer's stun and Keeper of the Forest?s ulti, and for some reason you become stealthed while being held by Succubuss it seems.
4) If you have lvl 2 or 3 of your ulti you can use homecoming stone and arrive stealthed to your location it seems. This is usefull if there are enemies waiting for you there.
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IMPORTANT DISCLAIMERS:
1) You can be revealed (either become visible without taking any action yourself, or unable to regain stealth for the duration of effect) by REVEALING GEAR (Bound Eye, Dust of Appearance, Wards of Revelation), some HERO ABILITIES (Scout's Electric Eyes, Pestilences Ulti, Arachna's Ulti, Tree's eyes, Legionaire's Taunt), and SILENCING EFFECTS.
2) You cannot regain stealth while silenced. Silence is your WORST ENEMY, as it not only reveals you but makes you unable to use any other abilities to GTFO.
3) Invisibility gives no bonuses other then the element of surprise, that is, you don't get increased attack speed or move speed. If it is successfully countered you have no use for it if you can?t get rid of or get out of range of what is revealing you. This fact makes it skill intensive, and should be KEPT IN MIND. If you are revealed and need to get away, use you other 2 escape methods.
4) Enemy towers reveal you. Don't risk being disabled next to them, and never be the first guy in the push.
5) All this leads to an IMPORTANT guideline for aspiring Night Hound players - Invisibility should be EXPLOITED at every turn, but never, ever, RELIED UPON!
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PROPER AND COMMON USAGE:
1) Most carries go for assasin?s shroud, you get your stealth for free. It is basically always on, costs no mana and at higher levels has ridiculously low cooldown. If NH didn't have built in invisibility he would be making Assasins shroud to get it. Time your escapes right and you can even lurk around a fight with very little hp until you can pounce enemies who run for it.
2) Time your attacks as to silence disablers and those that can reveal you. Time your item usage as not to become revealed when you can get stunlocked. Duck for cover to use Mana Battery and use Ghost Marchers just before making a run for it or right after a pounce while chasing.
3) Break stealth to DPS. Don't just lurk and KS.
4) SCOUTING! If the other team has no revealing gear, follow them around, search your forest and theirs, check ganking spots, CHECK PLACES WHERE BLINKERS MIGHT BE LURKING, organize ganks, scout the terrain in front of pushers so they don?t get ganked, be the one checking kongor. You are a mobile observer ward and map awareness incarnate, and that wins a lot of matches.
5) You can sometines notice that the enemy team has revealed you by eye or wards if the enemy creeps suddenly start to attack you without you breaking stealth. This ussualy means there is a ward of revelation in the area or that a Bound Eye carrier is near. GTFO quick.
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5.0 THE ONLY COUNTERABLE ABILLITY
Keep in mind that Invisibility is the only easily counterable ability of NH, and that good teams and bad teams alike will try to counter it right off the bat with hero picks and item purchases.
There is no counter but superior skill to the powerful Smoke Bomb, Pounce + Backstab + AGI items will always be a good spammable nuke, but this skill looks like it could be your downfall if the other team concentrates on making you visible.
However, as you can withness in the cool russian guys pro rape video, it is extremely DIFFICULT for an opposing team to really inconvenience you with counters, if you and your team know what you are doing. The counters will only get them a sense of false security that you can easily exploit. In other words - I win more often against, say, Pestilence then against a team with no Hero counters to NH.
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5.1 DEALING WITH REVEALING GEAR:
0) IMPORTANT GENERAL TIP
Always check out the opposing teams gear, every chance you get. Warding up the map gives good opportunities for this. If they got Bound Eye it is very important to know who is the carrier, so you can avoid him like the plague. Same applies to Wards or Dust, as you MUST be aware of this and play accordingly until they run out.
1) BOUND EYE
People might buy several over the course of the game. It is powerful if its carrier is well protected, but if he dies they lose it. It's purchase will often lead to team fights and pushes as the opposing team will think they have put you out of the game. This is far from the truth as you are actually a good hero to have against team pushes and bunching up, and chances are good that they will soon lose the eye. Then you have the option of either destroying it, or putting it on one of your teammates or yourself as a countermeasure for opposing Scout or Madman. I advise putting it near your fountain if possible and picking it up when you or a teammate gets well farmed so you don't lose it again. It is dangerous for sure, especially near a Pestilence or Arachna, but it is the least dangerous of the revealing gear.
It has an interesting side effect on non-skilled carriers since they tend to run as not to die and lose the eye. This means turning their back to you and actually makes them die easier from backstab, and very few heroes can outrun you anyway because of your gear and pounce.
2) DUST OF APPEARANCE
A cheap consumable temporary Bound Eye, it is more powerful because it costs less and does not endanger the team Scout as it can not switch sides if the user dies. You can back off while it wears off, but that puts you out of the fight, and it gives Pestilence time to reveal you for long, or Arachna to ulti you. Thankfully, if you manage to survive its use unharmed, it wears off and you could even kill the user if the situation arises. You can remove it?s effects by purging yourself with Nullfire Blade or activating Geometer?s Bane.
3) WARDS OF REVELATION
The most dangerous countermeasure, it reveals invisible units in an area for a timed duration (6 minutes). It is most often used during a long lane push setting up areas in which you are visible. The problem with wards is that they can be placed in advance so you don't expect them as in that case you won't get to spot them in the opposing teams inventory, and they can work against you even if you manage to break a push - next time you are in the area and not aware of the ward, you can get killed easily. A way to get rid of them is having someone with revealing gear, preferably Puzzlebox on your team.
What makes them the biggest pain is that a good team will set them up in your lane BEFORE you reach lvl6 and if they catch you unaware of it you will probably die. If this happens, you know your opponents are skilled. The bright side is that YOU can do this to Scout or Madman too.
4) PUZZLEBOX
It gives reusable true sight (one of the summons has it), and it is the best possible item against you, as it can not switch sides, but pouncing the true sight summon should rid you of most problems.
It might easily be a GOOD ITEM FOR YOU to get once you are satisfied with you AGI boosting core and your farming abilities. It can?t switch sides, it helps with your low STR gain, the summons increase your damage output and. most important: it can be used to destroy opposing wards preventing the other team from revealing you and denying them map control.
It also makes ganking Scout a lot easier, and if focusing on your role as supporter, this might be the best possible support item for you. It is the most expensive revealing item, but in the right situations the most rewarding as well.
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5.2 DEALING WITH POPULAR HERO COUNTERS:
As Invisibility is what the other team is going to try to exploit this section will cover (in detail) how to deal with various possible counters which people think make NH a bad choice for HoN games.
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DEALING WITH SCOUT [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.jpg[/IMG]:
Concerning the SCOUT, you must know the ways to deal with his Vanish, his Flurry, his Disarm, his ulti and, most importantly, his Electric Eyes. It looks daunting on paper, but most of it is quite easy in practice:
1) VANISH: Vanish gives +25% move speed in addition to stealth, so a good Scout doesn't really care if he is revealed as he can run off quickly. This is his only escape mechanism and it is countered by silence, meaning he can?t activate it if under the Smoke Bomb. The speed buff is also temporarily countered with charges from Nullfire Blade. With Pounce and Smoke Bomb, you have more escape mechanisms then the Scout.
A MOST IMPORTANT thing to notice is that Vanish has a cooldown of 6 seconds while your cooldown half of that right away. This means that you can break stealth more easily without fear of getting killed as you can generally back off just a bit and be invisible again, while the Scout has a longer time of being a sitting duck.
This is especially exploitable if you Smoke Bomb him at around 4-5 seconds of his cooldown as he will be silenced and slowed allowing you and the team even more time to land hits and nukes/disables in. If you learn to exploit this fact you will reap the rewards off gangraping all but the most overfed of Scouts, as it COUNTERS his only escape method.
2) FLURRY: When Scout breaks his stealth by attacking, he lands 4 very fast attacks giving him effective burst damage. It works even if he is revealed if Vanish is still on, making him care even less about being revealed.
Revealing him, however, gives your team a chance to disable him before he can use his burst to kill a soft target potentially saving someone?s life, and Smoke Bomb is a perfect disable because the miss chance it gives COUNTERS the flurry attacks very well. Because Pounce homes you in on him, you can easily Smoke Bomb him at every opportunity, effectively countering one of the most feared pub skills in the game.
Additionally, the efficacy of Flurry is directly tied to how well the scout is farmed, while your damage output gets dangerous with items that are a lot cheaper, and is not burst damage meaning you can often outlast him in a fight.
As revealing gear enables successful prevention of flurry I suggest you or a teammate buying wards or Puzzlebox if facing an experienced Scout.
3) DISARM: Scout's attacks have a chance to deal increased damage and render the hero he's facing unable to attack for a short, but significant while. This makes him a great counter to traditional carries as it ensures he will get more hits in. If you are disarmed a sword symbol will appear above your NH for the duration.
REMEMBER: Pounce works even when disarmed, so instead of not being able to hit the scout when you get disarmed, you will use the moment to hit him for MORE than you were hitting while fighting face to face.
4) ULTI: If you are targeted by Scout's ulti, a bullseye symbol will appear above your NH. You can prevent the ulti from going off in three ways. FIRST, you can try to run away in order for him to lose vision on you. It works well if you know where he is and he hasn't put wards in your path of escape. SECOND: You can become invisible. Again this is countered by a skilled scout by placing his wards. THIRD: Using smoke bomb on him will stop his channeling. This is a good way to save a teammate from Scout's ulti, but, again, sometimes requires you to have revealing gear.
5) ELECTRIC EYES: Scout can and will try to reveal you with Electric Eyes, which work like Wards of Revelation without a duration. If you have a skilled scout against you this WILL be a problem, as his wards allow his entire team to see you. You can, however, destroy them. This is best done if you win a gem off the other team, or if you go for Puzzlebox. Now, Eyes are a problem, but they are only really dangerous in three situations:
5a) If you run into a random eye that has been placed there some time ago. You will be revealed but not necessarily aware of it, but it's only dangerous if there are nearby enemies. Move around a lot, don't linger long in one place, farm catapults quickly with Pounce and use homecoming stones to port around the map, don't give them an opportunity to home in on you. Learn the standard locations for ward placement and counter his wards with wards of your own. I sometimes get Scout kills by destroying his wards near runes with wards of my own then waiting for him to come and replace them.
5b) If you push too far alone or try to gank one on one and Scout turns out to be lurking. Now, you shouldn't be doing this. A NH that is not very well farmed should gank with his teammates and help the team by giving a numerical advantage in seemingly 1v1 or 2v2 situations. You shouldn't push out alone too often, especially if you can easily be revealed. This situation is prevented by simply being careful AKA not being an idiot and realizing that it's not Invisibility that makes a godly NH but teamplay, map awareness and your three other amazing skills.
5c) If the Scout, or any ward placer puts eyes or wards along the path of the enemy push. Well this prevents you from following the other team from inside their ranks, but that is not really necessary.
Remember, in team fights, your invisibility means little as it will usually be 5v5 anyway and they should expect you to be there. Your team will rely on you for Smoke Bombing your tower, the other team or their path and killing low-hp heroes and stragglers.
Counter intuitively, if they can reveal you, you WANT team fights, as Smoke Bomb stacks the odds in your favor and allows you to kill the one that can reveal you or even win a gem off the other team. If you are confident in your team to fight off a team push or decide that you can sacrifice a tower, evade the team fight alltogether and use the time to push a lane deep uninterrupted, making them sorry for grouping up in the first place.
IN SHORT
So, most of it boils down to - USE TEH SMOKE, NOOB!.
As people are hesitant to play NH against a Scout, I felt the need to list your available solution to each of the problems to give you a detailed analysis of how and why you can beat Scout with NH on a regular basis.
The Electric Eyes are a pain, yes, but a good team will buy wards anyway, so it?s more of an excuse to moan then an actual problem, especially as the Scout is not really picked in more skilled game environment. As a NH you should know how to deal with wards, be they bought or homemade.
Moaning about Scout really boils down to this: "OMG they won't let me use my retarded good ulti 100% of the time, what can I do with just an imbalanced spammable 6 second AoE disable, a spammable scaleable telenuke and a stupid good damage output? I have only two more escape mechanisms, 30 armor and 2000 HP on a fast-farming AGI carry, what ever shall I do?" Oh noes, indeed...
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DEALING WITH PESTILENCE [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image003.jpg[/IMG]:
Now some insight for playing against another often picked counter - PESTILENCE.
Pestilence has only one way to counter you, and that's his ulti. A fun fact is that most low-mid skilled teams will rely on their Pestilence to counter you and consequently will not buy dust, wards or eye, making your life actually easier than it would be otherwise. Why is this?
Simple as it is, a Pestilence without revealing gear has to wait for you to break stealth to actually reveal you. Well then, since you usually don't break stealth unless you mean to silence and kill something with a teammate or two, it turns out to be useless more often than not, as the annoying dung beetle will be gangraped on every opportunity you get. I have lurked near many a Pestilence for MINUTES pinging for my teammates to come and when we ganked he was silenced, stunned and killed promptly without being able to reveal me. In other words - unless he buys revealing gear, you can actually FARM him.
Add to this the fact that most Pest players tend to spam their ulti on everyone as to reduce their armor, just don?t be the one who initiates the gank, and pounce in and silence while his ulti is on cooldown.
If he DOES buy a Bound Eye, he is quite dangerous as he gets a lot of uninterrupted farming time and might roam the map looking for you, but he can't be in every place at once, so change lanes and be dodgy. If you have been a menace the other team will bunch up and try team pushing. As with Scout's eyes, against team pushes invisibility is of little concequence and you don't mind being revealed if you manage to land a timely Smoke Bomb and gut a squishy or even the Pest.
Alternatively, while they are bunched up and ready for you, just push alone somewhere where they are not while your team defends the base.
Getting away from a determined Pestilence can be a pain but smoke bombing, pouncing on friendly creeps and heroes or running for your tower and smoke bombing him there can get you safe sometimes. He is usually faster than you so you have to accept that you will die sometimes if revealed.
That is unless you can use the Geometer's bane or Nullfire Blade to remove the debuff allowing you to regain your stealth. This is why either or both of these items are recommended as core against a Pestilence.
Pestilence is popular in all levels of play and dangerous against anybody almost to the point of being OP (overly popular for sure, if not genuinely overpowered), so mostly everyone fears him with good cause, and teams are always looking for dependable ways to dispatch him. Let us consult the big hero guide from these forums which, while mostly dead wrong about NH, is quite correct about listing the weaknesses of Pestilence:
According to a big hero guide Pestilence is countered by: heroes with high armor, disablers, gankers, leapers / blinkers, Wingbow, Void Talisman. You fit every criteria on this list except Void Talisman, making you a better counter for him than he is for you. All this means that picking Pestilence to counter a skilled NH can easily turn out to be a very stupid move indeed.
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DEALING WITH ARACHNA [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image004.jpg[/IMG]:
The third most popular and seemingly powerful counter against you is ARACHNA. Her ulti reveals you and makes short work of you if she catches you with your stealth off. You will often die to it even if you?re careful but so will mostly everybody as that ulti is considered OP by mostly everyone. There four things to consider concerning ways to deal with her:
1) Avoid like the plague. Don't get into 1v1 with her if you are both at full HP, unless well farmed. Unless she buys anti-stealth gear she has to wait for you to break your cover so wait for favorable odds or simply be somewhere else as with Pestilence.
2) Attack the spider. He dies to 3 hits regardless of damage. The spider is inescapable, and waiting for it to hit you 5 times is always the worse option. This will not always work in time since your attack speed might be slowed from her web. You might die but you might live as well, since if the spider dies you can run and your low fade time might give you stealth in time to survive.
3) Force favorable odds or team fights and wait for her to use the spider on somebody else, then Pounce the spider and help your teammate get rid of it quickly, then proceed to Pounce and Smoke Bomb Arachna. You can Pounce the spider just like you can Pounce siege engines because Pounce deals physical damage which makes you a surprisingly good COUNTER for her powerful ulti.
4) As a low HP hero Arachna is quite vulnerable to you, especially as her hardened carapace doesn't work against your Pounce. Take her out of team fights while her team focuses on your tank/initiator. Pounce her, Smoke Bomb her and dispatch of her quickly, paying attention not to rambo. Since she will often linger in the back, you don't necessarily need to be invisible to surprise her, just Pounce her from the bushes or behind while she focuses elsewhere.
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DEALING WITH KEEPER OF THE FOREST [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image005.jpg[/IMG]:
He puts eyes on trees which then give true sight of an area. Buy a loggers hatchet immediately and cut the trees down. It's that simple. You can see the eyes if you move close enough to the trees.
Your silence helps in preventing him to turn invisible and you can pounce out of his ulti or immediately smoke bomb the area to prevent anyone blinking in to unload AoE crap.
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THE TRUE COUNTER TO NH [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image006.jpg[/IMG]:
THE TRUE COUNTER to NH, the one hero that really works even against a skilled NH is LEGIONAIRE. He is one of the best laners in the game as he can very quickly position himself behind your tower and kill creep wave after creep wave, cutting off your escape while his teammate wrecks your tower and he gets tons of gold and xp. Like most heroes, you have no way of preventing this. If a team lets it go on for more than 1-2 creepwaves you will lose the game. And this is only a pubstomping stunt!
Regardless the stunt, Legionaire is both highly resistant to melee and no melee hero wants to tangle with him, especially if he has his ulti. This goes double for you as his whirling blade can take you out in three swings or take you low enough for him to ulti you since you have very low HP to begin with. Smoke Bomb or any stun has no effect on whirling blade so it is impossible for you to ever take a skilled Legionaire 1v1. Against him in a lane you NEED a babysitter. And it gets worse!
His Taunt will affect you even if you are stealthed forcing you to attack him and break your stealth. You are also silenced for the duration of the Taunt so you can?t Pounce away and the Smoke Bomb is only a slow against Legionaire. DO NOT LURK NEAR HIM BECAUSE OF THIS.
Extremely careful play and a lot of help from your team is required to deal with a skilled Legionaire, but I recommend changing lanes (with homecoming stone), gangraping him with nukes and disables in the midgame and staying on the edges of team fights because he tends to blink in with Portal Key and make a mess. Help your team back off with Smoke Bomb, either by smoking him, or smoking his team and making them back off leaving him isolated.
The best solution is to play with a friend and have him pick Legionaire as he is also a perfect accomplice to you since you can freely backstab the people he taunts and get them in range of his ulti fast, as well as silence disablers. A Legionaire with portal key and a NH with skill a make fine additon to a team of AoE focused blinkers (you would be the fifth man there, charged with dispatching runners, helping getaways, and dps duty).
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5.3 THIS ULTI IS CRAP! 200 GOLD COUNTERS IT!
You will run into this attitude and might even think so yourself, considering most other stealth skills give bonuses in addition to stealth so that when other stealth heroes are revealed they still get use out of their skill, while this skill can theoreticaly be shut down by wards. Does this mean it is unworthy to be an ulti?
NO! First off, just because Smoke Bomb is retardedly powerfull and could easily be somebody's ulti, doesn't mean that a free, low cd invisibility is a bad ulti. I could argue that it leaches gold from the other team, I could argue that you can kill the eye bearer, but the crux of the matter is not that NH is useless when his invisibility is countered but that NH gets FOCUSED whenever he breaks his invisibility.
Honestly, play a couple of games with NH and you'll notice that people seem to ignore you untill you become invisible and then suddenly start to harass and throw everything at you whenever and wehrever you show your face? There is NO BETTER BAIT in this game than NH as everybody seems to go berserk whenever he reveals himself.
There are perfectly reasonable and totaly unreasonable reasons this is so. First since many people believe him to be low tier squishy crap they will leap at him thinking they just got a free kill. Second, since you cant really gank someone who is invisible some people jump at the opportunity to kill him whenever they can see him. Third, going for the carry is always a good idea and some reasonable people always do that. Four, you just messed up their third push in a row with smoke bomb, ganked the hell out of their feeder and have 10-0 midgame because you were stealing kills - congratulations, you painted a bullseye on yourself and Fifth - you are a dangerous little bastard with three escape mechanisms, who they gonna stunlock? Armadon?
So, for reasons wise or unwise, poor NH wil get hit by everything everytime he doesn't let the initiator go first. Same would happen to anyne and happens often. How do you stop madman? Focus him! Only way to take magebane out? Throw EVERYTHING at him! There are about four heroes besieds a good NH, all of them desinged to soak damage that can survive the crap NH gets thrown at him EVERY game ([IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image007.jpg[/IMG], [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image008.jpg[/IMG], [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image009.jpg[/IMG], [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Lujo/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image010.jpg[/IMG]), and that, my firends why he requires skill to play against a good team.
Honestly, i've won games because the other team ignored our tempest for a chance to kill me if i got ultied by pestilence. It is also the reason people preffered to rush Vanguard (HotBL) on Riki in DoTA, and why i prefered the old steamboots while they buffed your strenght, and why Iron Buckler is core on NH - He gets more damage prevented from that thing than any other hero in the game besides those 4 listed above.
If you still think NH's ulti is useless, find the cool russian guy's pro match of NH rape and see for yourself how much mileage he gets from his "useless" ulti even though theo other team tried every trick in the book - they had dust, wards, eye (a couple I think) and even puzzlebox, and they still lost to teamplay and what this guide basicaly promotes as the DEFAULT SKILLED NH PLAY.
Last edited by Lujo; 04-22-2010 at 08:43 AM.
Read through the whole guide (While being at work, easy money
Thank you very much! I honestly see NH as a powerful teamplayer and want to educate newbies in ways to successfully fight the seemingly OP Scout, Pest and Arachna. A lot of practice and research went into this as well as DoTA experience, and I aim to try for the premium guide page when it's done.
Very nice and detailed guide, some new things I haven't really thought about - so this helped me alot :P
Worth reading
I would appreciate any feedback, but advise picking NH to play with a good team you have communication with, as his usefulness rises with good team coordination.
I will also try something revolutionary, for better or for worse, and have a section in the guide about it when it is done - playing WITHOUT invisibility and going for maximum support and teamplay while buffing HP a little. This might be plain bad and insane, but it might actually work really well against popular countermeasures since none of you other (powerfull) skills really require you to actually be invisible. It might also require heavy use of defensive observer wards. Who knows?
Nice Guide, I'll be playing a better, smarter NH now. Thank you.
Easily premium guide material. Great read...makes me want to give NH a second look (im an avid scout player).
Probably one of the most detailed guides on the forum. Gj.
This is a great well-detailed guide so far. And like KnightDavion mentioned, this is Premium worthy material. I also get Soulscream Rings on him too. Generally 2 but atleast 1 concidering you have Iron Shield.
Regards, TheAlmighty
Nullfire Blade does indeed remove the dust effect.I have yet to test if it's effects can be purged with Nullfire Blade, but I haven't been able to as I don't always buy it and opponents very rarely go for Dust.
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Nullfire should be a core for NH, I would argue before even getting slash. Slash helps you chase, but your biggest killer is smoke, nullfire, kill. It's awesome for hunting the other team's jungle and picking off heroes at a time. Nullfire also has better team utility since it will help your other allies chase as well, whereas slash only helps you only.
Although getting slash then geometers afterwards would seem very interesting.
Wow, huge guide is huge, it makes me actually want to play a hero that always feels like an awful pick
It will be added when i do the midgame items. It is possible to go for nullfire first it's true, sometimes even correct and I think it certainly is a definite core item, but going for slash first doesn't slow you down much as it helps you farm, its easily assembled and its a component for geometers bane. Those two and Wingbow ARE basicly the best dmg items for NH and you will most likely get all three on your way to becoming a carry.Originally Posted by Trip0d
In essence i agree with your post.
incredible guide, v v v good
a must for every1 willing to play nh
I just hope your slash converts to a geo's bane and not a hack and slash - but so far - great guide. My starting items differ, but I'm thinking of giving yours a try.
ROFLMAO, of course it's there for geometers, but not only that.
And concerning starting items, I will outline alternative starts (wit a courier and with soulscream rings)
Man, this is an awesome guide! So much detail! Only thing is backstab and punce aren't broken as you suggest. They state he is a master of exploiting weaknesses, which could mean those in the catapults etc.
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