I am a Newb, I admit. But I practice, Im asking for an advice all the time, and I always play in "noobs only room",,, so wtf I, and all new players get kicked all the time. I get kicked from all rooms cause of my low psr and crappy stats and i am constantly being raged at for dying cause i'm "retarded". I mean it's noobs only room what the hell do you expect from me? Or start naming rooms "uber noobs only".
I always ask for help like, what items should i get for this char? and people sometimes ignore or say i don't know cause they cba helping and some actually does help alot but then they dissapear and then there's a new game and there may be *******s all around that room saying, "OMG IT'S A NEWB HE'S GONA RUIN IT FOR US OH NO!" or "STOP FEEDING THEM YOU RETARD **** OFF" It's always retard and idiot and **** off etc. I understand i shouldn't feed them but sometimes i can't see them on map but they can see me and even though im by a tower they still rape me, yes i should be careful i understand that now but sometimes careful isn't enough.
In addition, I sweat like a pig trying to play good, and trying so hard that I feel nauseous after game. In every online multilayer game I've been before everyone are tolerant to noobs, and giving advices how to improve the game,- but not in this one. Absolutely opposite.
So my question is, why in HON(dota) me (and not only) having the worst multilayer exp ever. , and why players are SO FCUKing mean to newbs!?
Last edited by SashuraSan; 10-09-2009 at 04:12 AM.
Don't take it too seriously, don't take what people say personally.
Don't get too caught up in it either. It's a game, so if it's not fun, take a break for a while
Try not playing 'squishy' heroes. Pick heroes with good escape mechanisms and spend the game 'watching' how others play. You'll start noticing you can predict ganks & when to bail and things. You can also find out a certain players play style by trying a few techniques on him (Agressive, defensive, attempt a gank, fake a gank etc.) and use it to your advantage.
The biggest part of HoN is mind games, followed by hero, map & item knowledge. Knowing what your enemy will do, what he'll throw at you and from where is useful information.
The biggest part of HoN is outplaying people, not out-thinking them. If you're crushing someone in-lane, he can play all the mind games he wants for all the good it'll do.
Basically, learn to control a lane. You can put huge pressure on people by doing this even if they're technically better than you are.
If it's that stressful trying to play and learn at the same time, host a pro's only game with spectators enabled, go spec and observe how others play. Might help to just focus on one hero/player at a time.
Once you feel more confident then you can jump into a game and try out what you learned.
Last edited by BlacRyu; 10-09-2009 at 04:22 AM.
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since the tiers dont actually work atm its not a great time to be a new player. Once the tiers actually work you wont get as many veterans playing Noob Only games to up their KD
In most multiplayer games bad players either have effect on you (FPS) or you can just leave. (MMORPG's).
In DoTA/HoN as soon as the game starts your locked in with these 5 people and are punished if you leave.
That's why people get so angry when they have a noob on their team. I guess they don't try to help you because a lot of noobs don't listen to peoples advice, which means when people who are trying to learn ask for help they just get raged at..
I also get this alot. The key is to keep it a game, games are ment to be fun 1st anything else 2nd. Don't respond to obvious trolls and haters, just play your game. If it's really bad, minimize or something and wait it out, that'll piss them off
Most people who's angry with noobs are kind of noob themselves. They were just trying to find excuses all the time to save their ego.
I do get frustrated with noobs, but that's just because they are noobs and not because I am noob :\
1. A game can be deciced by one single player. If he is bad, f.e. he dies to much, the enemy team will become stronger.
People dont like to lose (yes lose, not "loose", that means something complete different), so they yell about everything, that is causing the process of losing. (Maybe you mentioned players yelling like idiots if they die, because someone did not say "miss". In my opinion, thats just another way to blame someone else. They arent able to look at the map the first 7 lvl, but the moment they hit lvl 8, they look at the map all the time and annoy everybody with ten thousand blinks a minute).
Its a paradoxon in this game i like to call, i dont know, i dont really have name for it, but the point is: Everyone want to be better than the other. They dont tell anyone anything, because they are afraid, anyone could learn something and become better than they are. So the best way is flaming, telling everybody how bad they are, that prevents the possibility, that they will improve their game. But the problem is: You cannot win a game by yourself, its a teamgame. And because you dont know anything, and you will never know anything, because you dont have to be good, the entire team is dommed and will lose. Nobody wants to lose and so they are looking for the scapegoat, which will be you! Do you see the pattern forming? And a major reason is the psyche of the players. Maybe they are mobbed at work, maybe they substitute work with hon/dota, perhaps they are ugly or they are just lactose-intollerant or they dont have the money to start a rampage.
2. zomgololol, i said it all in 1.
3. man, that was fun!
Honestly the only time I yell at noobs is when they refuse to state they are new, and they dont ask for help.
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You're talking about the sort of advanced players that enjoy flaming new/bad players (and, of course: pwning noobs, since they join noobs only games).
They enjoy it, because that ensures that nobody pays attention to their own mistakes plus they don't have a bad conscience if they lose since it clearly was "the noob's fault".
They dont want you to get better, they just search for someone who is guilty if their team loses.
Explaining which items to buy? How to play better? Oh no, they gotta spend their time on stealing kills; no time for helping.
I've exaggerated a bit. :x
Last edited by bmaker; 10-09-2009 at 11:13 AM.
I am noob my self, I always state it at the start of the game, I have no problems with that. I generally like to play Jeraziah if it's an All-heroes match. I have only won one game thus far, and that was due to the help of my team-mates. They helped me out alot as to what items to buy, and what skills to get.
I was in a 3v3 last night as Jeraziah again, with Pyro(?) and a melee hero. I was a few levels behind, as I mainly like to hang back, heal and such. Anyhow, the one guy on my team was using voice-chat and would freak out whenever I did anything. In a lane by my self? Going to buy an item from base? Running a head of him with creeps? He'd replay with "What the **** noob, are you retarded?!? GOD, learn to play". I tried to ignore it, but after 30 minutes of the game I said **** it and left.
It wasn't a bad game, we were tied in points, one of the other teams heroes was a few lvls higher then us, but I didn't see his yelling to be doing anything good for our team.
I also only join "NOOB" games, and only noob games, but still find *******s like this.
Chill out buddy, it's just a game.
Looks like you've come to the right place OP.
The miscommunication here is that in DotA/HoN a noob is someone who is not good at the game, not someone who is new.
You should name your games, "Less than 50 games" or "Beginner" or something.
Also, if you're the host you can choose who stays or goes, so start making instead of joining and invite other noobs.
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The flaming is high in this game. I've had games I joined and said "I'm really new to this game" before it even began and still got flamed constantly. One guy felt the need to broadcast my k/d every time someone managed to kill me like I wasn't aware I got killed.
If people flamed with "Do this than this!" I might be attacked, but at least I learned from it. Shouting "You're doing it wrong!" doesn't mean I'll suddenly know what's "Right".
Not to mention this game is littered with acronyms that a new player is never going to understand. It'd be nice if there was a thread on "Common Acronyms!".
I don't consider myself as a 'noob' anymore, but I can give you some advice.
- Ignore all the swearing from other players.
- If you don't know what items to buy, the 'recommended' tab gives you some nice items most of the time. Start with some items like Bracers/Boots first before buying the expensive items like Wingbow.
- Just keep practicing. And make it fun for yourself. Find some RL friends, or other ppl who start playing HoN and are also 'Noobs'. If you find a few friends to play with in your team, it's more fun, you can cooperate better so you have an advantage, and you don't have ppl that are flaming on you all the time.
- Read guides on this forum for example to get more knowledge about strategies / heroes / what items to buy.
In HoN / DotA, your presence is much more important than in CS for example. If you die too much, you give
- The other players money
- The other players experience
- A disadvantage to your team because it's kinda 5v4 if you die all the time.
So if you fail, your team, so all other players will fail earlier too because they have a much bigger disadvantage.
Just ignore all the flame, and try to get better and most important, have fun in it, or make it fun for yourself, it's a game after all
Flaming has always been abundant in DotA, and it seems like that's carried over to HoN. I've just learned to ignore most chats, because it a lot of people flame whether you're did anything wrong or not. They just like to blame people for their deaths.
Fairly common scenario:
PlayerA: "why no stun noob"
PlayerB: "I did, like twice. You charged in to a group of heroes."
Eventually, you just don't even respond.