Defiler's Unholy Expulsion vs Evasion

[SmashNess]

So I just won a game as Defiler, and some smartie of the other team were shouting at his mate Legio because he "should have done evasion" to counter me.

I said him that is just stupid because as far as I know, the spirits do not miss because they are not normal atacks, at least in DotA ai am 99% sure evasion never worked against it.
Well he just tried to stand as the pro and stated he was sure they miss and all.

Well, so here it is the question, Defiler's ultimate can be avoided with evasion? And in DotA?

thanks in advance.

[[TDL]iWizzard]

Why didn't you check in practice mode? That takes less effort than making a forum post.

[[weak]proscoutKS]

Yes they do miss. Although I'm not sure how they work against lego spin when he has evasion

[Anderbad]

They make attacks as normal units. They simply cannot be harmed or controlled.

[Mr`X]

They make attacks as normal units. They simply cannot be harmed or controlled.

Not entirely true.

Ex. Helm can't block the damage from the spirits.

I believe that evasion does not work too, but im not sure :b

[Dr_Hobo`]

I know for sure that helm doesnt block spirits, so I assume that its the same for evasion. But im not sure, ill check in the morning if no one has a definitive answer by then

[Cuddles]

I have just tested this in a practice game, and i can confirm that her spirits DO MISS on a target that has wingbow.

Guess they're considered just invulnerable units that deal magic damage on their attacks.

[[reb]ptx]

I have just tested this in a practice game, and i can confirm that her spirits DO MISS on a target that has wingbow.

Guess they're considered just invulnerable units that deal magic damage on their attacks.

They do physical damage though.

[dantastical]

Helm would be a ridiculously hard counter if it blocked them so I guess it makes sense.

[FreiBierFred]

Helm would be a ridiculously hard counter if it blocked them so I guess it makes sense.

It's directly ported from DotA, Krobelus' ultimate in DotA is based off the WC3 skill "locust swarm" that always had the state "locust" which made them ignore damage-block passives (type "hardened skin" I think).

[shivz]

probably works, since ulti dont work on kongor either, 100% evasion? :>

[[S2]ElementUser]

I know for sure that helm doesnt block spirits, so I assume that its the same for evasion. But im not sure, ill check in the morning if no one has a definitive answer by then

This is a bad assumption.

HotBL block & evasion are independent of each other.

[[weak]proscoutKS]

Do her spirits proc lego spins when they miss?

[Jayykob]

Yes, because legio's spin checks before the actual damage is done from your attack. Try standing 1v1 with one legio and any other hero, with that other hero repeatedly pressing S to animation cancel. Which will make legio will start spinning like a swiftblade on mushrooms. (if lucky enough)

[TheMadman]

Her spirits deal physical damage.
The damage won't get blocked by a helm/buckler.
They can be evaded.
Legionnaire can spin on spirit attacks.
Legionnaire can still spin on an attack that he has evaded, because the spin check comes before evasion/damage dealt check.

How many posts does it take? It hurts to read these threads, one tester could of done all of this much faster. Also take note of my partial hypocrisy, since I also didn't test, I simply read the thread and used prior knowledge.

[[LN]Vida]

I was to slow with the test, but I will confirm that TheMadMan is right.

[[DrQs]xDries]

If they do physical damage, why doesn't Barbed work vs them? Would be too much of a counter or what?

[TheMadman]

Barbed reflects ALL damage, not just physical damage, so it should reflect. Does it not? Testing, brb

It reflects from barbed. Did you have the impression that barbed only returned physical damage to begin with? Because it does everything.

[[S2]ElementUser]

Barbed does not return damage type "Returned"

[[LN]Vida]

I just want to add something, illusion some times are the source of the damage, like mock aura from illusion.