Spartan [R4R]

[[DTEK]BisforBoman]

NOTES

Recent change: Number-tweaking.

Fresh new hero, created all skills right away this time instead of leaving ya hanging. This is an attempt for a Fuzzy-Wuzzy port. Drop a comment on what's good / bad!

Spartan


SPARTANS, What is your profession?!

HERO'S STATS

Range: 128 (Melee)
Base Damage:
Strength: 19 + 2.35
Agility: 20 + 1.95
Intelligence: 13 + 1.8
Armor: 4
Movement Speed: 290

ABILITIES

Decapacitate


The Spartan throws his spear to prevent his foes from getting away.

Skill Mechanics: This skill allows the throw away his spear, thereby and slowing greatly and dealing damage.

Target: Enemy Hero.
Cooldown: 13 seconds.
Duration: 4.5 seconds.
Range: 600 range.
Mana Cost: 120 mana.

(1) Deals 50 damage and slows by 10%.
(2) Deals 100 damage and slows by 20%.
(3) Deals 150 damage and slows by 30%.
(4) Deals 200 damage and slows by 40%.

Discussion: I rebalanced the numbers here so that it's very useful to skill this up but the low damage doesnt make it a must to max it. Level 2 should be enough for ganking and level 1 is to weak for easy-'first blooding'.

Last Hour


The Spartan fights as if this would be his last hour.

Skill Mechanics: Greatly increases his attackspeed for a series of attacks/short while.

Target: Self.
Cooldown: 11 seconds.
Duration: 12 seconds when attacks are depleted.
Mana Cost: 70 mana.

(1) Increases attackspeed by 100 for 3 attacks.
(2) Increases attackspeed by 100 for 4 attacks.
(3) Increases attackspeed by 100 for 5 attacks.
(4) Increases attackspeed by 100 for 6 attacks.

Discussion: Attackspeed is now constant, even though I feel it could be a tad low for his purpose. But I dont want to make it too op now that his ultimate deals damage every second instead of attack so.

Swiftness


In his battle-hunger the Spartan can find time to strike an additional strike.

Skill Mechanics: Passive effect that allows an attack to be "a double attack". This attack is not supposed to drain the attacks from the 2nd skill. This is just "a bonus attack with no penalty".

Cooldown: 11/9/7/5 seconds.

(1) Gains an additional attack every 11 seconds.
(2) Gains an additional attack every 9 seconds.
(3) Gains an additional attack every 7 seconds.
(4) Gains an additional attack every 5 seconds.

Discussion: This is an Anub'Seran (Nerubian Weaver) spell. Thought it'd work great on this hero. This is not supposed to drain hits from his 2nd spell. Meaning he could get 7 swift attacks out during the 2nd spells duration.

Ultimate: Blood for Blood


The Spartan focuses all he has into killing his foe, dealing damage to himself in the process.

Skill Mechanics: This should work like Fuzzy-Wuzzys ultimate, it's toggled on and deals more damage by a factor of his current hp. But it shouldn't last forever so he also drains a % hp each second. This spell should have no casting time and should be allowed to toggled off to allow him to stop dealing damage to himself.

Target: Self.
Cooldown: 25 seconds.
Duration: 25 seconds or when toggled off.
Mana Cost: 0 mana.

(1) Deals 4% of his current HP in damage every attack, and loses 2% HP every second.
(2) Deals 5% of his current HP in damage every attack, and loses 2% HP every second.
(3) Deals 6% of his current HP in damage every attack, and loses 2% HP every second.

Discussion: Spartan gains this buff and can remove it whenever he feels like it. Though he has to wait for it's cooldown then before he can use it again. This forces the Spartan to choose when he wants to deal damage or not, and cant just turn it off at any time he's not striking a foe and then turn it back on when he is.

[Neefykins]

Too op

[Georgief]

great concept ... probably a little bit too boosted and needs some testing to get balanced


I`d really like to see it fighting along with Gladiator

[[DTEK]BisforBoman]

Too op

The differences between this hero and it's original (Ursa Warrior in DotA) http://www.playdota.com/heroes/ursa-warrior is the ultimate now deals damage to himself, the slow is not an AoE and his "shitloadofDmgspell" has been replaced with an additional attack instead.

Calcs for difference on 3rd skill with Ulfsaar original in synergy with Overpower and Spartans "Swiftness" in synergy with Last Hour(both on lvl 4 will grant 6 swift strikes);

Ulfsaar: BaseDmg*6 + (25 + 50 + 75 + 100 + 125 + 150) = BaseDmg*6 + 300.

Spartan: BaseDmg*7.

So unless I deal 300 with the base damage Ulfsaar would have a hell lot of a bigger burst with this.

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Both in Synergy with their respective ultimates on lvl 1 (considering both have the same current HP from start being say, 1k) and this goes too fast so no regeneration will be calculated in this;

Ulfsaar: BaseDmg*6 + 30*6 + 300 = BaseDmg*6 + 480.

Spartan: BaseDmg*7 + (50 + 48.5 + 47 + .... + 41) = BaseDmg*7 + 318.5, also dealing 210dmg to himself.
He will decline from 1k to (1000-7*30), = 790, in 7 attacks thereby reducing current HP in every hit.

So if you think that I havent set his passive as an 'Attack Modifier', that's fair to say it's OP but that's because I havent decided on that yet and was gonna wait and see wether there'd be any questions/discussions regarding that.

Anything else?

[Sentura]

i think the ultimate is a nice touch, but i would make the health cost % based, so that health items don't have a major effectual imbalance. you could even keep the % constant, a good value would probably be 2% max health per second.

also, instead of making a cooldown that long, make it like 20 seconds or until you turn it off. why? because you would then have your second condition ensuring that it would be very hard to keep it active, and it would take 50 seconds to kill him with it alone being on (not counting damage from heroes etc.).

3rd skill: i always wanted to do a hero with this skill, ever since i saw it on the speedboat.

2nd skill: make it constant, not % based. +100 attack speed should be fine, and won't be op.

1st skill: slow is op, damage is op. make it 200 damage, and max 40% slow.

overall i like the concept, at least this is a better first try than most of what i've seen here.

[[DTEK]BisforBoman]

i think the ultimate is a nice touch, but i would make the health cost % based, so that health items don't have a major effectual imbalance. you could even keep the % constant, a good value would probably be 2% max health per second.

also, instead of making a cooldown that long, make it like 20 seconds or until you turn it off. why? because you would then have your second condition ensuring that it would be very hard to keep it active, and it would take 50 seconds to kill him with it alone being on (not counting damage from heroes etc.).

3rd skill: i always wanted to do a hero with this skill, ever since i saw it on the speedboat.

2nd skill: make it constant, not % based. +100 attack speed should be fine, and won't be op.

1st skill: slow is op, damage is op. make it 200 damage, and max 40% slow.

overall i like the concept, at least this is a better first try than most of what i've seen here.

Thanks for the feedback! Very helpful. I did changes to the skills you mentioned and I do like it better now. Though 100 AS might be a bit low, atleast if you want a really fast burst (such as Ulfsaar's was), but that might be up to the testing to decide.

My biggest concern right now is if I should let him have 250 range from start. He'll be like a strength MQ on lane. Though he cant harass aswell with his spear since it reduces his range for a while and his mana is really low. Any comments?

[Sentura]

Thanks for the feedback! Very helpful. I did changes to the skills you mentioned and I do like it better now. Though 100 AS might be a bit low, atleast if you want a really fast burst (such as Ulfsaar's was), but that might be up to the testing to decide.

My biggest concern right now is if I should let him have 250 range from start. He'll be like a strength MQ on lane. Though he cant harass aswell with his spear since it reduces his range for a while and his mana is really low. Any comments?

scout's burst is +300 attack speed for 4 attacks, i think it seems reasonable to not go over this value, neither for attack speed or number of attacks. the reason i wanted it lower was because he has so much more going for him that he doesn't need it like scout needs it. i.e., he has decent strength gain, he has 2x of damage bonus (double attack + ulti) as well as a nuke without channeling. he does not need that much extra.

[[oSTi]FrozenDK]

I like his first skill, it's costly so you aren't going to spam it but it's worth using in most situations. Plus the longish range means you don't have to be too close to initiate.
Second skill is cool as the burst damage it provides synergises well with his ult.
I'd alter his third skill to work similar to PM's, having every X attacks result in a bonus attack.
This guys build will be similar to Ra's, as stacking hp will help his damage and boost his ult.

He seems pretty awesome and I'd like to see how he plays out.

[Memphis_Doom]

Woah! Holy cr4p. This guy deals incredible amounts of burst all around with low CD.

The idea is great you just need to play test the numbers for balance purposes.

[Sentura]

it's not as heavy as you think, memphis. this guy has almost no earlygame.

[[DTEK]BisforBoman]

Bump, moar feedback on ze skills.

[[OhN]HawkeyeBR]

Hi there !

Well, first skill have a way too high cooldown. Make it a static 11 seconds and lower mana cost to 100.

Second skill seems fine.

I think third skill don't fit the skillset at all, since you already have the second skill for the huge attackspeed buff. Change it to something that reduces armor, maybe. Like, each attack reduces armor by -1, to a max of -3/4/5/6 for 4 seconds.

Ultimate is fine.

Cool hero, straightforward and useful. You might be almost there !

[[DTEK]BisforBoman]

Hm, interesting comment on the 3rd skill. I'm not sure I'm gonna change it cause I dont feel the need for all spells synergizing but I'm gonna consider changing it if I come up with smth else.