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    Watchtowers in place of secret shops? Seen in the Amun-Ra video.

    If you look at the end of the Amun-Ra hero spotlight, you can see that the secret shop has taken on a new look, one that resembles that of a watchtower.

    One of the things that new players complain about is the secret shop. Many new players that haven't played DotA will likely not understand the purpose of it.

    So... What if it was decided to remove the secret shop from the game altogether and replace it with something that resembled a Xel'naga tower from Starcraft 2?

    Would it belong in HoN? Were we even meant to see it in the spotlight video, or was it just the careless mistake of revealing something in SBT testing that will never make it to the retail client?

    EDIT: Here's a screenshot if you can't be bothered to re-watch the spotlight:
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    Hmmm. It could also simply be someones retexture of the secret shop from a mod

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    Maybe is just a new look, like to give legion/hell borne more personality. i bet the hell borne shop is different

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    this goes along with the kongor pit rework.
    wouldn't be surprised at this being a watch tower.

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    I feel like S2 is trying to make the game more newb-friendly, with removing the secret shop (and therefore just having ALL the items sold from the main base) being a step towards doing so.

    Both the removal of the secret shop and addition of watchtowers could end up being pretty significant changes to the game.
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    I remember when I first started playing dota I was confused about the secret shop, actually.

    I'm wondering what actual purpose it serves besides tradition.

    I assume that the purpose is to create a place where fights are likely to happen and couriers are likely to be in danger because it's an unprotected place where both teams can go to grab items.

    If this is the case then maybe putting something else there of mutual interest does make sense.

    A vision-giving tower or even a building that lets you see a targeted piece of the map (as a telescope/observatory would imply) for a few seconds could fulfill a role like that. You'd have a reason to go there often to gain map awareness, but it would be dangerous to do because the enemy would be doing it as well.

    I kind of like that idea.
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    Not sure about removal of the secret shop - I'd rather see it more as a 2nd outpost that allows all items from there to be purchasable from base as well.

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    Before couriers, the secret shop was actually something cool.
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    They wouldn't place a bunch of snotters randomly RIGHT THERE if they didn't want someone to sniff this out in my opinion.

    Interestering.................

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    Not a watch tower just the new rework for shop maybe to spice stuff up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmanth View Post
    They wouldn't place a bunch of snotters randomly RIGHT THERE if they didn't want someone to sniff this out in my opinion.

    Interestering.................
    Good point. The spotlights always seem to be carefully planned to hint at upcoming features. I think it's a good strategy to get more people to rewatch the youtube ha ha. That and it's just fun/builds excitement.
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    Rumour has it that scout can enter the watch tower and shoot missiles :O

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    Hmm, I kind of like the Secret Shop. But I guess I can't really justify its existence. Pretty much the only time it has significance is early on (while walking Courier) making Lifetube more of a hassle to get from mid, jungle or safelane while you're keeping it at your tower. All the other items are ones you'd only get once you have a flying Courier and the Courier isn't in such high demand that needing to send the extra way will have an adverse effect.

    Still, isn't it a bit early to just assume they're removing Secret Shop and replacing with some other structure? That seems like a fairly ballsy conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBlack View Post
    Hmm, I kind of like the Secret Shop. But I guess I can't really justify its existence. Pretty much the only time it has significance is early on (while walking Courier) making Lifetube more of a hassle to get from mid, jungle or safelane while you're keeping it at your tower. All the other items are ones you'd only get once you have a flying Courier and the Courier isn't in such high demand that needing to send the extra way will have an adverse effect.

    Still, isn't it a bit early to just assume they're removing Secret Shop and replacing with some other structure? That seems like a fairly ballsy conclusion.
    Oh I'm not drawing any conclusions whatsoever, I'm just speculating and trying to start a discussion about how a watchtower-like structure would fit into HoN (and how removal of the secret shop could impact gameplay).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBlack View Post
    Hmm, I kind of like the Secret Shop. But I guess I can't really justify its existence. Pretty much the only time it has significance is early on (while walking Courier) making Lifetube more of a hassle to get from mid, jungle or safelane while you're keeping it at your tower. All the other items are ones you'd only get once you have a flying Courier and the Courier isn't in such high demand that needing to send the extra way will have an adverse effect.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBlack View Post

    Still, isn't it a bit early to just assume they're removing Secret Shop and replacing with some other structure? That seems like a fairly ballsy conclusion.



    1) Steam and Marchers can be made at the Side Shop
    2) Silver Shield can be mad at the Side Shop (good laning item)
    3) Life Steal can be made at the Side Shop
    4) Vestments and Headdress can be built at the Side Shop (another laning item)
    5) TP can be bought from the side shop (the best one of all)

    I could go on but you get the idea. Courier should only be used by the Mid player for the laning phase
    All other basic laning items can be bought from the Side Shop to stop Courier 5 heroes fighting over it.

    Nothing pisses me off more when I am trying to buy my bottle to out rune mid, gank and WIN is when top is buying boots and a health pot on it an I miss a rune because of it and that leads to bot dieing.

    Side Shop shop isn’t useless, doubt they are removing it, I just justified it for you.

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    Could you clarify what you think this watchtower could do ? Is this a building in the watchtower map ? (never played it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarFlare22 View Post
    I feel like S2 is trying to make the game more newb-friendly, with removing the secret shop (and therefore just having ALL the items sold from the main base) being a step towards doing so.

    Both the removal of the secret shop and addition of watchtowers could end up being pretty significant changes to the game.
    well i hope this dosent happen on one hand but on the other it would make buiyng things easier idk though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slut View Post
    Could you clarify what you think this watchtower could do ? Is this a building in the watchtower map ? (never played it)
    If it even is anything like what I'm speculating about, and if it's anything like in Starcraft 2, the idea is that when you stand near it, it grants a large area of vision around the tower (only when you're standing next to it).

    So to be technical it would be a structure that grants xxxx units of clearvision (unblocked by trees, terrain, etc.) around the structure when a unit is standing near it.
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    i doubt they will add a watchtower, esp on caldavar, but could be a cool option on maybe other maps im not sure.

    wards are already balanced with their cooldowns, and a watchtower im assuming will be like a massive ward, im not to sure how this can be implemented without people complaining all over.

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