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I'll help out hunter on these pro guides.
to pull: there are two creep camps one on top and one on bottom.
the one on top behind towers can be pulled like this;
wait as the timer on the clock ends at 15 or 44 secs,
walk into creep ( you must walk into the creeps AT that indicate timeframe) and move up to your creep wave.
note: very important to let the neutral hit you once while it is in range of your creeps because that will automatically aggro your creep to hit them.
You do the same thing for bottom lane.
Nop.
Could you explain this in more detail? I don't know what you're talking about.
Creep pulling, you pull the neutral camps down into the normal lanes so that your allied spawned creeps will attack them, you can then use them to level up via the neutral points instead of the normal creeps in the lane.
I haven't tried in HoN yet, but basically, in DotA you would aggro the creeps at exactly 15 seconds or 45 seconds and pull them to the lane directly below the neutral camp.
Top lane on scourge is insanely easy, never even bothered to notice the actual time on the clock when I did it.
there are many benefits to creep pulling.
1.) your teammate get the exp of a solo hero,
2.) it allow lane control to be closer to your tower.
3.) it denies exp to your opponent.
i'll post screenshots in the future to show you what i am talking about
Thank you, this seems interesting.
I've seent his happen a few times and always assumed that someone was jungling and then decided to come and defend the lane half way through a fight in the jungle. I didn't know they were creep pulling.
Hmmm... So does anyone know if this works well in HoN or is it something that works mostly in dota?
So far, if it works well in DotA, it works well in HoN.
It works fine in HoN, though I've found the neutrals to be a little stronger than in DotA - if you're gone from the lane for awhile and no creeps seem to be coming, a decent player will guess thats what you're up to and gank you.
Could someone write a tactics/strategy guide on this? Just explain when to do it and how to time it?
Creeppulling seems to be very bugged. I pull the neutrals right next to our creeps but our creeps just keep walking forward. Its a lot harder than in dota and i think the pull has to happen so that the neutral creeps walk in front of your creeps. I tried like 4 times and after that i decided not to try anymore since i just wasted my own exp & gold trying it. Note that in dota i can succeed 110%.
Karma, Here is a dota example of the maneuver so you can see it in action.
To translate from HoN, this is the bottom lane, right at the creep camp nearest the lane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZk8rHoIUa8
ok, he seemed to pull the neutrals into the lane and then have both go into the jungle... is that a good idea? It would seem like that would leave your tower open?Originally Posted by melek
It's a good idea, don't over value a tower, the truth is, especially when you have a carry in your team, the closer the enemy creeps are to your base the better.
You will often hear people in the future telling you not to cross the river. So you may lose 1000 gold in tower value to your enemy, but the value your carry may recieve should well outway it.
Plus, those neuts only spawn every 2 mins, opposed to normal creeps that spawn every 30 seconds, so even though your tower will get damaged, you wont lose it in the first few minutes of the game... Unless your opponent is pushing, in which case you would lose it early anyways.
It's also easy enough for the hero left in the lane to aggro the creeps and pull them back to the next creep wave minimizing damage to the tower.
It's also typically done earlygame where even if they are a good combo for pushing they haven't matured nearly enough in stats/skills or otherwise to really damage a tower much.
Sounds like the right time to do is when the creeps are getting too close to the enemy tower. You then pull your next wave of creeps into the jungle which forces the enemy line forward, you get some xp... etc.
I'll try this later.
does anyone know at what time stamp the first neutral creeps appear? I've never actually checked that.
Well in DotA the clock only started ticking when the normal creeps spawned and the neuts would then spawn 30 seconds later.
So I'm assuming, in HoN they Neutral creeps would spawn when the 2nd wave of normal creeps spawn.
Someone please correct me if im wrong.
Neutrals first appear at 2:00 an respawn every minute on the minute thereafter.
In DotA, creeps cannot spawn if there are units in the spawn area. Corpses of slain units count as units, and will prevent spawning, as do wards.
You missed some important parts as don't pull on a solo lane, don't pull if it means leaving a weakened ally alone, and you don't have to "walk into them", you just have to pull them, at night this means attack, at day if you're range this means attack, and if you're melee just walk close enough and walk away again. You can do this with taking 0 enemy damage.
/edit: your "very important let yourself hit blabla" isn't important at all, if you pull good your creeps will run into the pulled neutrals.
yeah it is. In hon it is extremely difficult to time the correct point of impact where your creep hit the neutral creep head on. If you however let them hit you once, your creeps will automatically aggro the neutrals no matter where they are as long as they are within range.
yea pulling and jungling in general is harder in HoN then in dota. Hope they fix this soon, trying to jungle with warbeast is alot harder then it should be compared to jungling with lycan
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