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    MMR works..

    and to prove it to all of you, ive done this little experiment: first i nicely asked s2 to decrease
    my mmr to 800, so i can try if its realy true that you cant win with 4 bads agaisnt 5 bads, and
    if mmr works = if its possible to get stuck(not be able to get higher) at lower mmr than where
    you belong.

    then i played 50 games(45 wins) and managed to get from 800 to 1540 without any problems
    - side note: im 1600-1650...
    im not realy good at writing walls of text so long story short:
    i had feeders, retards, noobs, conceders and every other form of baddie in my team, often more
    than one, but i still managed to win the game(most of the time = had two games where i lost
    because of them {2/50!=4%})
    . it didnt matter that i had wildsoul with striders, or no courier
    and/or wards because people under 1500 are so awful that you dont need anything and still can
    win
    -> this is true only when you shouldnt be under 1500!



    without other words, here are some stats and mIDs of the 50 games

    stats:

    stats before mmr decrease


    total games played: 50
    starting mmr: 800
    ending mmr: 1538
    wins: 45
    loses: 5 (bads:2, my fault{more or less}: 3)

    mIDs:

    game1: Match 29439295

    game2: Match 29446306

    game3: Match 29454328

    game4
    : Match 29456785

    game5: Match 29459523

    game6: Match 29499345

    game7: Match 29501996

    game8: Match 29506658

    game9: Match 29509784

    game10: Match 29511904

    game11: Match 29517845

    game12: Match 29523565

    game 13: Match 29526435

    game14
    : Match 29529693

    game15: Match 29535732

    game16: Match 29539144

    game17: Match 29542286

    game18: Match 29649802

    game19: Match 29655797

    game20: Match 29661240

    game21: Match 29664499

    game22: Match 30476954

    game23: Match 30484896

    game24: Match 30493255

    game25: Match 30502817

    game26: Match 30505925

    game27: Match 30511011 <<<< FIRST GAME LOST BECAUSE OF BADS

    game28: Match 30521495

    game29: Match 30524760

    game30: Match 30587510

    game31: Match 30589657

    game32: Match 30592522

    game33: Match 30606712

    game34: Match 30613453

    game35: Match 30622860

    game36: Match 30626010

    game37: Match 30632530

    game38
    : Match 30637182

    game39: Match 30642989

    game40: Match 30645822

    game41: Match 30695279

    game42: Match 30713332

    game43: Match 30717881

    game44: Match 30720900 <<<< SECOND GAME LOST BECAUSE OF BADS

    game45: Match 30789636

    game46: Match 30799795

    game47: Match 30807441

    game48: Match 30811618

    game49: Match 30839433

    game50: Match 30848249



    if you got any questions, then ask. if you see someone braging about noobs taking his mmr down, or speaking about how
    mmr system does not work, feel free to link him to this thread. if you think this does not prove anything let me know why please.
    yes i have changed my nick.

    about MMR:

    this experiment wasnt about me beating <1500 guys. its about me getting back to the mmr bracket
    i belong to. if anybody from 1800+ did this hed get to 1700 without any probs since for him 1600s are as
    1400s for me. how can i say something like that you ask? well, try thinking about this for a while: if 1700
    bracket was so full of bads that you couldnt get away from it even if you should be 1800+, then there wouldnt
    be any 1800+ players - and we all know there is a lot of them => if you cant get from 1700 you are 1700.

    also remember that your mmr is not one number, but a range of numbers(see picture), and most
    importantly you can get better, but you can also get worse!

    green is my mmr, blue is mmr fluctation(how much it can be affected by teammates. +/-50 is from my 1 and half year experience with hon)



    ruining your game experience was not my intention so if you feel like i did so, then please accept my apology.

    however if this does not concern you then please refrain from trolling this thread with ruining games for others...
    Last edited by kaboo`; 03-16-2011 at 09:23 AM.

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    looks nice
    sick of scrubs saying "im 1200 cuz of bad teams"


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    You used really nice font colors!

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    I want 800mmr to kick noobs ass too! ^^

    But nice job =) should sticky this!

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    That doesn't prove anything, 800-1540 is the easiest road there is. Go from 1540 to 1800 then in under 100 games then you're talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodsAccident View Post
    That doesn't prove anything, 800-1540 is the easiest road there is. Go from 1540 to 1800 then in under 100 games then you're talking.
    sorry bro, im not even 1700 so what you ask is kinda impossible for me to do... but the main point is that got back to the bracket where i should be with 90% win ratio. if someone from 1800+ did this, hed start losing at 1700+
    Last edited by kaboo`; 03-14-2011 at 07:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodsAccident View Post
    That doesn't prove anything, 800-1540 is the easiest road there is. Go from 1540 to 1800 then in under 100 games then you're talking.
    It proves something.
    People saying they're only sub 1500 rating because of shitty teams and noobs on their teams. These people are now proven wrong.

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    did you go mid every time and stomp, or did you win all those games playing supports or carries?

    Just saying, seems like mastering mid is viable, but getting out of the dregs without miding is less skill based.

    edit: and yes i think mmr works, however i do think between 1000-1600 or so, the mid player wins the game for the rest of the team. Sometimes that stomp can be ruined by bad teams ofcourse... but w.e

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    Everyone knows MM works. Noone wants to accept that they belong to their rating though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogrim View Post
    did you go mid every time and stomp, or did you win all those games playing supports or carries?

    Just saying, seems like mastering mid is viable, but getting out of the dregs without miding is less skill based.
    tried supporting but it kinda failed, since there was nobody who could use that support, so i sticked with stomping through mid or with carries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogrim View Post
    did you go mid every time and stomp, or did you win all those games playing supports or carries?

    Just saying, seems like mastering mid is viable, but getting out of the dregs without miding is less skill based.

    edit: and yes i think mmr works, however i do think between 1000-1600 or so, the mid player wins the game for the rest of the team. Sometimes that stomp can be ruined by bad teams ofcourse... but w.e
    He posted his game id's good look for yourself ?

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    Nice :O

    I would love this stats:
    1) % of games in a solo lane (all of the solo mid?)
    2) % of games in duo lane
    3) % of games in a trilane
    4) What lane did you get in the loses.

    I could check it myself, but maybe you remember where did you go in each game so it wouldn't take you as long.

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    very nice!
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    cool story bro

    actually

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaboo` View Post
    sorry bro, im not even 1700 so what you ask is kinda impossible for me to do... but the main point is that got back to the bracket where i should be with 90% win ratio. if someone from 1800+ did this, hed start losing at 1700+
    I guess you're right but I can't agree that MMR always works, sometimes you just have these terrible losing streaks during around 1750 and u just get stuck at 16xx for a while until you can get back up. Atleast that's just my experiance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shal128 View Post
    Nice :O

    I would love this stats:
    1) % of games in a solo lane (all of the solo mid?)
    2) % of games in duo lane
    3) % of games in a trilane
    4) What lane did you get in the loses.

    I could check it myself, but maybe you remember where did you go in each game so it wouldn't take you as long.
    cant tell the exact numbers out of my head, but theyd be very similar to these:
    1) 75% (yes all solo mid)
    2) 20%
    3) 0%
    4) 3x mid - ss(thats one of the game lost coz of bads), chipper, vindi
    2x side - magebane(and the second one lost because of bads), pred
    5) jungle 5%


    Quote Originally Posted by GodsAccident View Post
    I guess you're right but I can't agree that MMR always works, sometimes you just have these terrible losing streaks during around 1750 and u just get stuck at 16xx for a while until you can get back up. Atleast that's just my experiance.
    well, mmr works in range +/-50 (at least thats my experience), and mby 1750 was your +50 at that time and then you fell to -50
    Last edited by kaboo`; 03-14-2011 at 08:09 PM.

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    Now try getting to 1800
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    Didn't Alucardī do the same but from 1500 to 1900+? not sure about his name
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    Backdooring is a legit tactic. Use homecoming stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurokara View Post
    Didn't Alucardī do the same but from 1500 to 1900+? not sure about his name

    Yes, but Alucard' is a 1900+ player, whereas the OP said his original MMR was only 1600-1650.

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    So.. let me see if I understand you correctly, S2 just screw others ppl games?, I mean, let say Im 1k MMR, then I join a game with ppl of my level, but, one of them (you) is a smurf, a guy who belongs to a higher level of skill, then I lost.cuz obviously you play a lot better than the rest of the 9 players.

    I dont think thats fair, and ppl who lost cuz you were on the oposite team should sue S2 for make an intentionally unfair game by lowering your MMR to 800.

    Thats what I think.

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