[2.1] Doctor Repulsor

[Jezu]

Not maxing Magnetic Contraption is a crime against humanity if you ask me.

120 Damage every 4 seconds, and need to be next to the enemy, compared to
45 Damage every hit, from longer distance.
Lets say i do a combo without counting the ulti damage nor the auto-attack damage:
3rd skill maxed:
Hit, 2nd skill, hit, 1st skill, hit, ulti, hit.
75, 75, 140, 75, 75 = 440
and 1st skill maxed:
Hit, 2nd skill, hit, 1st skill, hit, ulti, hit
30, 30, 260, 30, 30 = 380
And also considering the fact, that you need to be right next to the enemy, or 1st skill won't deal any damage. And also, 3rd skill is used for harass on the lane, 1st skill doesn't suit this purpose. And, maxing 1st skill costs more mana.

[[0TID]Tykkluft]

^ I very strongly feel that i would win any player in the matchup DR vs BH, because it is so one-sided.
Only way BH could do something, is that he would get the runes/his team is helping
Also, considering, what hero we are talking about, it is not worth it to pick BH for "countering" DR. I'll tell you how the mid should go:
Dr runs behind the enemy creeps.
Starts denying and lasthitting, trying to get the lane pushed next to his own tower.
If BH silences, DR gets more dmg, and it is only 6 sec, the BH can't fight DR, no matter with silence or not.
If not silenced DR drops Q, and the BH drops high on life.
At level 6 (as DR gained it before BH) DR can just ulti right on top of BH, drop W n Q, skipping 1 auto-attack, and kill the BH.
After that, yes, then BH will limit DR a lot with his silence.
But if BH is about to win the mid 1v1 without any help, he is clearly outplaying the DR.

Here is how we settle this. Lets a do a 1v1 Mid fight. Me on you on . We each start with the normal 600g and a flying courier. We play to the 15 min mark. And then checkout the result. That means Creep kills and denies. And ofc Hero kills. If you rape me, post the replay here. Use it as an example on how to beat melee heroes mid. If I win, you put up as a solid counter when played by a good player. If it ends up even, you still put up BH as a counter. Since the silence will be there all game.

Currently in the norwegian army, but getting a week off starting this monday. So I am good any day of that week. Except the weekend ofc, since I am norwegian I am obligated to drink at that time. Just send me a message and lets set it up

[Jezu]

Here is how we settle this. Lets a do a 1v1 Mid fight. Me on you on . We each start with the normal 600g and a flying courier. We play to the 15 min mark. And then checkout the result. That means Creep kills and denies. And ofc Hero kills. If you rape me, post the replay here. Use it as an example on how to beat melee heroes mid. If I win, you put up as a solid counter when played by a good player. If it ends up even, you still put up BH as a counter. Since the silence will be there all game.

Currently in the norwegian army, but getting a week off starting this monday. So I am good any day of that week. Except the weekend ofc, since I am norwegian I am obligated to drink at that time. Just send me a message and lets set it up

Should be like 10 min IMO, because the laning phase won't last 15 mins.
I can prove you that DR rapes BH mid, no problem.
But i never said that BH wouldn't be a counter to DR, but far from hardcounter, because bh is pretty useless without solo mid and DR rapes him mid.

EDIT: BH always is useless, but even more so without solomid.

[[BBYS]IILuckyII]

i think the player skill between you two is to great to fairly judge, with no disrespect. Mid to late game bh can be a problem. if he rushes his silence then dr. could be easily target and taken out of team fights, but on the other hand i think bloodhunter is a worse carry pick up for the team and doesn't bring anything that great to the table.

[[LN]Vida]

i think the player skill between you two is to great to fairly judge, with no disrespect. Mid to late game bh can be a problem. if he rushes his silence then dr. could be easily target and taken out of team fights, but on the other hand i think bloodhunter is a worse carry pick up for the team and doesn't bring anything that great to the table.

I still don't get, how can blood hunter gets his silence in?
Dr will always be at the back of the fight then blink in.

If the silence is that much of a problem then just silence him first while you are flying. Then as the game goes on, there's Shrunken Head.

[[LN]Vida]

Should be like 10 min IMO, because the laning phase won't last 15 mins.
I can prove you that DR rapes BH mid, no problem.
But i never said that BH wouldn't be a counter to DR, but far from hardcounter, because bh is pretty useless without solo mid and DR rapes him mid.
Im busy though, i'll try to connect you.

I agree with you, BH "can't" out heal Dr. harrasment.
BH can out heal "most" hero because of the "Iron Shield". If he doesn't have one then he can't.

Dr. Damage is almost Magical and is not blocked by the shield.
Same as Pyro, he/she just rapes BH mid with their third skill.

[Jezu]

Re-wrote the guide!

[Glassboard]

How much in % does -5 MArmor from Harkon's do?

[man_guy]

Depends on the target's original MA (if they have vestments / headdress or not). You can check by going into practice mode and hovering on the target's armor icon.

[Glassboard]

This varies widely-- intelligent opponents I presume would acquire vestments/Shaman's to counter DR's massive magic****. Or Shrunken to avoid Magic Damage entirely. Am I wrong on this?

Would it not be wiser to opt for Sheepstick? Survivability, damage, stats and an amazing disable to pounce on the enemy even before he knows it.

[Jezu]

This varies widely-- intelligent opponents I presume would acquire vestments/Shaman's to counter DR's massive magic****. Or Shrunken to avoid Magic Damage entirely. Am I wrong on this?

Would it not be wiser to opt for Sheepstick? Survivability, damage, stats and an amazing disable to pounce on the enemy even before he knows it.

The idea of DR is that when he jumps in, he disables the enemy hero before he uses the Shrunken Head. If he goes Sheepstick first, his ganking power isn't as good as it would be with Hellflower.
With Hellflower he can solokill anybody. With Sheepstick he does less damage, and therefore enemies can escape more easier.
Obviously there can be situations where you need Sheepstick early on, and im planning to add option Sheepstick OR Hellflower for mid game.
Shrunken solves your survivability problems, so you can get the Hellflower which provides no survivability like np.

[Jezu]

How much in % does -5 MArmor from Harkon's do?

If they have no +magic armor items, it is ~22%

Also, the reason why i keep Hellflower as a better option over Sheepstick, as the disable from Hellflower is better (hands down) Also, the AS and damage is very strong on DR, and it has easier buildup.

The (small) hp boost from Sheepstick shouldn't be that huge of a deal, as you will be having a Shrunken shortly anyways, and you can dodge (most) spells with your ulti.
But then, there are situations where you need every single HP you can get, and you cant dodge all spells with ulti.
Will be adding this when im back at home.

[Glassboard]

Ah, I'm sorry. The issue is not Sheepstick vs Hellflower, it's Sheep vs Harkon's. I agree hands down that Hellflower is the best first item for DR.

[Jezu]

Ah, I'm sorry. The issue is not Sheepstick vs Hellflower, it's Sheep vs Harkon's. I agree hands down that Hellflower is the best first item for DR.

Ah okay, well, I've changed my mind after succesfully building Hex over Harkons, and gonna add it now -->

Though, sometimes, you might need Sheep before Hellflower (rarely, but still)

[Glassboard]

I agree completely. Usually, if the game lasts long enough, my route would be HF -> Shrunken -> Sheep. Harkon's is viable afterwards... but the game SHOULD be over by then. With Harkon's DR is overkill.

Edit: like your guide by the way, very clear cut and straightforward. This is pretty much all DR needs.

[Jezu]

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[ExoticVenom]

Dont you think that night hound can be a counter also?

[Jezu]

^ He can be, and I've stated that silences counter DR, not just the specific heroes i have listed. However, DR as a ganker also counters NH.

[Jezu]

What does this still miss?

[Glassboard]

Characteristic of premiums is the presence of detailed playguides through each phase of the game. Try posting images of a gank procedure.