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Why not get rid of his passive magic armor bonus and give him Ezalor's Mana Leak from DotA? Even with reduced numbers, it would fit him a lot more than a basic passive magic armor bonus. It would be great for setting up his ult, the slow when they run out of mana would let him get a few extra hits off, and it would work somewhat like Blood Hunter's ult in the sense that heroes would stop moving when you cast it on them so you could beat the crap out of them. As an alternative, it could also replace his mana burn passive.
I think something like this would be the kind of buff Magebane needs. Thoughts?
(copied from DotA Allstars)
Mana Leak
Weakens the bond between the physical and magical essences of an enemy. The magical and physical essences will be divided if the target moves, causing the enemy to lose some of their mana. If the enemy loses all its mana, it gets slowed temporarily while it repairs the bond. Cast range increases per level.
Level 1 - Lasts 5 seconds, 3.5% of their manapool per 100 units.
Level 2 - Lasts 6 seconds, 4% of their manapool per 100 units.
Level 3 - Lasts 7 seconds, 4.5% of their manapool per 100 units.
Level 4 - Lasts 8 seconds, 5% of their manapool per 100 units.
Cooldown: 20
Manacost: 75
Last edited by Isin; 09-14-2009 at 10:42 PM.
T-Up for sure.
Magebane is alrdy strong as it is, if we were to give him mana leak, it would be imposible to run away from him. Since if he cast mana leak, your mana will get drained off and hell just blink and continue pwning you. Then ult and finish you.
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maybe you could combine that, magebane could have a combination of this skill and magic resist. It made him able to tank crazy spellcaster of any sort.
No it didn't. It really didn't
ummm... magebane with L4 gets +15 armor, which increases his magic resistance to at least 50% without items/ buffs from stats... this means you can almost tank any caster if you get even a small amount of armor for vs physical attacks.
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No, you really can't. Behemoth blinks in, you get 1 shotted anyways unless you have like a heart, and at that point in the game he has a refresher, so you get 2 shotted instead.
I really don't want anyone to comment on this unless they have experience in mid-upper level play (or at least know how it works).
imo, behemoth does not equal caster. Of course, if behe tele's and ults any agi hero they're gonna get one shotted. I mean like pyro, defiler, tempest, glacius, thunder, you get the picture. like pyro doing around 200 dmg with his two nukes as opposed to 400, and basically giving you a much better opprotunity to run away, especially with blink.
plus, how would this skill help him out at all? he can alrdy mana burn like crazy, and the shield really will help him a lot more than this skill.
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How is Behemoth not a caster? Can you explain to me how, exactly, Behemoth does his damage? Not autoattacking.
Lol.
Last edited by Isin; 09-14-2009 at 10:23 PM.
The Problem with mana leak is, that you want the enemy to have (a bit) mana, otherwise your dps is crap.
I'd support a buff, but I don't think this is what exactly is needed (and he sure should keep his extra magic armor).
edit) Behemoth is not a normal caster. He is the one hero whose damage is proportional to the enemies around him, which puts him on the same level as hammerstorm - way way above a "caster".
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What do you mean by a bit mana? This spell would actually turn Magebane into an anti-caster, because of the ridiculous amount of mana he could burn with this spell and then use his ultimate.
Furthermore, if they have no mana, you get a free slow, which also increases your DPS because you can hit them more times when they are slowed.
He's on the same level as Hammerstorm? Whaaaat?
Are you a pub talking nonsense or am I missing something here?
Last edited by Isin; 09-14-2009 at 10:28 PM.
I mean his mana combustion and mana leak have a strong anti-synergy.
Ofc Leak+Ult works fine.
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to me, caster isnt one who uses spells a lot. IMO, or in what i always call them, a caster is a magic-dependent unit that usually stuns or deals out nukes by way of magic damage, not the way behemoth does by being an initiator with stuns.
yeah, this would change magebane only from a chaser to a super chaser, it would not help him in teamfights at all, whereas at least he helps in teamfights with magic armor.What do you mean by a bit mana? This spell would actually turn Magebane into an anti-caster, because of the ridiculous amount of mana he could burn with this spell and then use his ultimate.
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What. Pyromancer initiates with a stun. Behemoth does damage with stuns. I think I might see what you're trying to say here, but it's wrong.
Ok, and I'd be happy with him as a super chaser carry, because then he would have a role. His passive magic armor does not help your team at all. I don't know what you're getting this from. If you think a teamfight is like a big mosh pit where both teams run into the middle and start hitting each other, you're clearly a pubby, and I want people who know how competitive play works to comment on my suggestion.
The point here is that I want Magebane to have a similar role to Blood Hunter, because a hero like that is USEFUL. Magebane is completely useless right now. That's not even up for discussion, it's fact. He's useless in DotA, and even more so in HoN.
I agree with this. That's why the second part to my suggestion will be to change his mana combustion ability.
Last edited by Isin; 09-14-2009 at 10:37 PM.
lol
idiot idea IMO
T down
Care to explain?
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I'd love too this replace his armor; but the Manaburn should be left as is.
where do you get his idea that this alone will change magebane into a carry? this would actually probably turn him into less of a carry than his mana shield... If anyhting, i would either like one of two things that might help magebane....
This i actually might like better as his ult, where he burns the mana they have as they run, kinda like bloodhunter's ult but with less dmg. Either that, or give him something of an ult that damages opponents over time based on how much mana they use, so if u use it on a pyro and he ults, he gets damage based on the percentage of his total mana he used, and deal a percentage of their health based on the percentage of mana they used.
so if pyro uses 80% of his mana in the time, he loses 80% of his total health, or like 40%, whatever balance would constitiute.
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T-Up
He's strong as **** in pubs if nubs don't feed him, but of coures those are nubs, plus he has too many passives already and this really helps.
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