Negative armour= more damage?

[ixCASHxi]

I was wondering if combined ulti with shiledbreaker's effect i reduce a player's armor in negative at -8.12 would result in a -39.5% damage reductionwill he actualy take 39.5% more damage or he would just take damage as if he had 0 armor and 0% damage reduction?
This numbers are from a small test i done with a equiped with a shieldbreaker(-6 armor) + lvl3 swarm(-15 armor) on a lvl 25 win no items on and a armor of 12.88 and 43.6% damage reduction.

[[FDJ]J3rk]

When u test, just do the test right and count the dmg done, then compare it to your base dmg and you can answer ur question...

Anyway, it does increased dmg.

[[S2]Vahn]

With -8.12 armour he will have 0.94^|-8.12|-1=-0.395 armour reduction, which is -39.5%.
All physical damage to take target will do 39.5% more damage than the base amount.

[[RCT]Assassine]

While on it, how far can negative armor go? In Warcraft 3, it was capped at -20, giving something like 70% more dmg, but as far as i know, its different here.

[[TLTQ]studfacestad]

While on it, how far can negative armor go? In Warcraft 3, it was capped at -20, giving something like 70% more dmg, but as far as i know, its different here.

Well, the way the damage reduction formula is set up damage reduction will never go over 100% and never go below -100%.

So, to get to double damage you would need to get someone's armor to around -198 and to take absolutely no damage you would need well over 1 million armor.

[Imbisill]

On an unrelated note:

Vahn, when did your name get red?

[Sku1l]

The maximum amount of armor you can have is 999 (can be reach with Jere's ult / the building fortification) which reduce incoming damage for ~99.9% .

I guest the maximum minus damage you can have is -999 but there is a limited amout of armor reduction thing in that game .
So you can reach a maximum of :

Andro's Aurora : -5 armor
CD's ult : -50 armor
SS' Dread : -5 armor
DS' ult (with SOTM): -30 armor
Panda's flick : -8 armor
Pesti's ult : -15 armor

Shield Breaker : -6 armor
Breastplate : -5 armor

So you can't reduce armor more than : -124

[Zyrex]

The maximum amount of armor you can have is 999 (can be reach with Jere's ult / the building fortification) which reduce incoming damage for ~99.9% .

I guest the maximum minus damage you can have is -999 but there is a limited amout of armor reduction thing in that game .
So you can reach a maximum of :

Andro's Aurora : -5 armor
CD's ult : -50 armor
SS' Dread : -5 armor
DS' ult (with SOTM): -30 armor
Panda's flick : -8 armor
Pesti's ult : -15 armor

Shield Breaker : -6 armor
Breastplate : -5 armor

So you can't reduce armor more than : -124

kraken first skill?-4 armour
armadon quills ?-10 armour
deadwood´s first skill ?-4 armour
predators ult ?-6 armour

^^

[joe_mama]

Cd's ult does -50 armor?

[TheMadman]

Cd's ult removes more armor every time it hits you, so he's assuming the ult has just hit the max amount of times

[Sku1l]

kraken first skill?-4 armour
armadon quills ?-10 armour
deadwood´s first skill ?-4 armour
predators ult ?-6 armour

^^

Your right man i always forgetting things :P

so -148 would be the max (in practice mode) .



But in a team of 5 hero

CD :-50
DS :-30
Pesti :-15
Armadon :-10
Panda :-8

Shield breaker :-6
Breastplate :-5

-124 would be the max reach-able minus armor .

So in my first post ,for the wrong reason i was right lol ...

[Pellikan]

Your right man i always forgetting things :P

so -148 would be the max (in practice mode) .



But in a team of 5 hero

CD :-50
DS :-30
Pesti :-15
Armadon :-10
Panda :-8

Shield breaker :-6
Breastplate :-5

-124 would be the max reach-able minus armor .

So in my first post ,for the wrong reason i was right lol ...

Madman with 6 doombringers would hit alot on that with a crit.

[[S2]ElementUser]

If you had 3 Corrupted Disciples, you can get a max of -127 charges (due to the variable type that HoN uses, it only allows up to 127 before resetting) for his ult.

That or 2 CD's with 1 CD holding a Restoration Stone

[[noEU]Debaurer]

Your right man i always forgetting things :P

so -148 would be the max (in practice mode) .



But in a team of 5 hero

CD :-50
DS :-30
Pesti :-15
Armadon :-10
Panda :-8

Shield breaker :-6
Breastplate :-5

-124 would be the max reach-able minus armor .

So in my first post ,for the wrong reason i was right lol ...

would remove more armor than panda/arma

[[void]haschisch]

would remove more armor than panda/arma

that's probably why he is in that list above panda and arma, isn't it?

[Sku1l]

would remove more armor than panda/arma

Yea its already counted once .
I don't think in duplicate mode / with a refresher (Unlike CD's ult) it could apply the debuff twice .

Plz EU bring light upon us again

[[S2]ElementUser]

It can't since it sets charges to 0 in <onrefresh />

[DarklingggFJ]

does this apply to magic armor also? would negative magic armor from spellshards cause more spell damage taken than what the skill reads?

[[TTGL]Coolcollo]

Spellshards does not cause an instance of negative magic armor. It 'ignores' a certain amount of magic armor, but again, the ignorance is after final checks for magic armor are made (I made it simple, but Element can give a bigger explanation.....yet again :/ )

[[S2]ElementUser]

I already gave a better explanation in the Spellshards FAQ, look there.

Negative magic armor from non-Spellshards (ie, Flaming Hammer) functions the same way as negative physical armor, only it affects magic armor of course.