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You might want to reconsider this post. I'm rather sure Glorify is a much better player on Magebane than you, even though he hates picking him.Originally Posted by pntaooo
This post is incredibly helpful, thanks. Seeing as no one flamed you, there must be general consensus on this list.
I think people would argue for some heroes being shuffled around 1 tier at a time, but I don't think anyone knowledgable will claim that magebane is good or that predator should be a top pick...
It's not a conclusive list, since each hero has individual strengths and weaknesses and not all heroes in the Top picks list are equivalently good, just like not all heroes in the borderline list are equivalently good, but it's a good guideline if you put them into a range.
I dunno how true that is. He works insanely well with most aoe disables like Tree ult or Tempest ult. Plus he is very useful for pushing and raxing.
I see tort alot like I see behemoth. In the hands of a skilled player, he is amazing. In the hands of a less skilled player he is horrible. There is very little in between imo.
From your list I would put Tort and Pebbles as top picks, as both of them can devastate in the hands of a skilled player (particularly pebbles stalagmites / toss combo in the current patch.)
Really? The best silence in the game, a high damage AoE stun with a low cooldown and one of the better pushing heroes in the game contribute less to the team than War Beast and Zephyr?
until he gets purged > mana drained > just a lump of ez focus fire
He's still strong against melee if he can keep his cyclones up, and when farmed with a radiance that is even more true.
But there are so many better picks than Zephyr that require much less farm to contribute much more to the team. Zephyr really doesn't do much until he's farmed, and then he's just a big ball of AoE damage to avoid.
I don't think wildsoul is on the bottom rung. He's easy to play and survive with and can remain effective mid game by catching people with his bear. He's a decent jungler as well. He should at least be mediocre.
Hammerstorm/Dark Lady/Ophelia T_T useless heroes ofc
Hammerstorm will be a great deal better in the next patch.
This says it perfectly, no one will ever agree 100% on any list. That one is 80-90% correct in most peoples eyes so it's a good general reference.
Well i hope so cuz, when guy of my team get him make me rly mad
I'll tell you something else, how to pick a hero.
If you are thinking to get a Carry hero:
-If you know the enemy's choices, get something that can counter.
-Prefer something that's doesn't need extreme farm. (e.g. Arachna)
-Get something that can kill at early lvls too. (e.g. Swftblade)
-You have high chancing that you will be the one soloing mid, get something that can control the mid lane and farm without getting killed (e.g. Soulstealer).
If you want to pick a Support hero:
-If you know the enemy's choices, get something that can counter.
-The more disables, the more useful you are. (e.g. Succubus)
-The more heals, buffs, the more useful you are. (e.g. Jeresiah)
-Pick something that can work well with your mates in a lane. (e.g. Got a Swiftblade, get someting with a long time disable - Pollywood Priest)
If you want to pick an Initation hero:
-If you know the enemy's choices, get something that can counter.
-Get someting that can initiate battle without having to be under certain cirmustances. (e.g. Magmus can blink inside whenever he wants.)
-Get something that apart from initiation can also disable or dmg with another ability (e.g. Behemoth)
-Get something that can work well with another spell of your team. (e.g. Behemoth's ultimate can help Moonqueen deal damage with her ultimate only on heroes).
If you follow these facts everytime you pick a hero, you will never need to know who's top and who isn't.
People hate on Hammerstorm because they got dicked by his might shaft; Hammerstorm and Ophelia are nowhere near as garbage as Dark Lady and Magebane.
No.
Zephyr for example is a bad pick. He is based on farming with no skill to be of any use at the lane or ganks. Even when farmed beyond all sanity he still sucks as carry and its biggest strength is tanking. Already mediocre pub games are enough to make Zephyr a bad pick and I doubt he will see play in competitive games.
Why would you play 30 minutes 4v5 cause of Zephyr -- if you can have a madman farm instead of zephyr?
Zephyr is a baller pick against ranged carry heroes like arachna or luna.
Against certain lineups, bad heroes become powerful.
Against certain lineups, good heroes because awful.
<3, Actually I like playing Antimage(not so much magebane), but he's the worst hero in HoN hands down.You might want to reconsider this post. I'm rather sure Glorify is a much better player on Magebane than you, even though he hates picking him.
Last edited by Glorify; 09-10-2009 at 03:02 PM.
I find it interesting that the one hero that is picked almost every low/noob-tier game is (correctly put) among the "Bad Picks", while most of the other ones in there are hard carries, who are regarded as bad because they close to never reach the point in the game where they get good.
I've yet to win a single game this week with a scout in my team. Every team fight is 4v5 with him, all he can effectively do is ward and finish off runners from the woods.
I do not understand the motivation of picking him, never did. Where's the fun in stealth if you can't ever get out of it because you are otherwise useless?
I can see why magebane is not a good character but what makes him the WORST character in HoN? I know he isn't good but what makes him so god damn awful?
I'm not arguing or anything, I'm just curious on what makes Magebane the bane of HoN :P
Last edited by Chone; 09-10-2009 at 03:21 PM.
Manaburn damage is nerfed, his attack animation is horrible (compared to Magina @ DotA), so you cant blink -> hit -> blink -> hit -> blink -> hit.
In DotA his BAT was amazing, making him able to deal tons of damage and also reach permabash if game goes on long enough. In HoN permabash doesnt exist.
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