I'm having difficulty being successful at all in my lane. I have no DotA experience at all, and today is my first day playing HoN. I did read tutorial guides, videos, and tried playing private practice. I'm buying the right items, or at least I think I am, I'm just looking in the premium guides section.
I'm undecided between Thunderbringer and Lego in playing but I suck equally at both. However, whenever I play, I get demolished. I mean I'm having trouble timing denies and lasthits, and somehow I'm dropping health. Could it be I'm too close to the opposing hero(es) and the creeps and taking damage? Should I just rightclick dance further behind and then use A and click when I see red health?
Its your first day so dont worry about it. I suggest you check out Nome's first person video guides, will give you an idea of how good players act.
Are there any other ones other than Behemoth? Or should I just go watch DotA videos from world class clans?
Just Practice. Everyone gets stomped on the first few matches
Being stomped usually is the result of being in the wrong place at most definitely the wrong time. This problem can only be changed by improving map awareness and generally improving your caution (you are, after all, a newer player). You've still gotta learn the nuances of fighting with and fighting against the heroes in the game, and simply having "textbook" knowledge of a single hero (the one you pick) cannot really provide all the understanding you yet need.
*(oh, AND CARRY A DAMN HOMECOMING STONE, that'll at least change your luck when you know you're in the wrong place)
Last edited by Mechanisms; 09-07-2009 at 04:48 PM.
All right, thanks for the help everyone. Should I just play noob only? I mean if I did that I wouldn't learn anything right?
Actually I'd say you should play noobs only games (not Easy mode however) until you feel confident you can do well in these games, in this game whenever you face people who are better then you. Even if they aren't even that much better you'll often get completly crushed and generally you won't learn a whole lot from it. Playing games slightly above your level is probably the quickest way to improve.
Legionnaire takes more skill to use effectively, so I suggest you stick with Thunderbringer. You might get owned by opposing enemy mid solos if you decide to solo mid yourself (at least until you improve your last hitting skills), but at least you'll know how to deal with different mid solos after a while :P. Check out the video guide thread in the Premium Section, the laning one helps a lot.
You're doing the right stuff like reading premium guides, but you just lack experience. Just play more and you'll naturally get better. Even when I moved from DotA to HoN, I had to get used to everything here (animation differences & different item names and such)
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I'd ignore denying for now, especially if it's EM. Don't get me wrong - it's important, but not worth dying over to begin with. You can get so caught up with it you stop paying attention to the game.
I'd advise always staying behind your creep wave and only go near your creeps if you're melee to last hit an enemy creep for gold. Even then I prefer not to as you soak up dmg. Ranged has an easier time but Thunderbringer has a crappy attack range.
Might want to try some more heroes. Axe and Zeus are OK but may not suit you.
my advice is to play Single draft games until you find that one hero that you just instantly are good at and understand, then try a normal game with that hero and see how you do.
First day, not surprised. The first day I played DotA... wow. It all flew over my head. And it was a lot less complicated back then too.
Do not play Behemoth or Legionnaire. Those two are critical heroes that will result in name calling if you play them badly. Stick with int heroes till you believe you're proficient enough to try a different style like a carry/initiator.
For TB early game, just try to last hit and harrass the enemies with your skill when they get close to the creeps. Don't just spam all your mana away with level 1 skills. It's preferable to wait until level 3 or even 5 before you start truly harrassing with your skills. WATCH OUT FOR CREEPS EARLY GAME. I cannot stress that enough. Between levels 1-5, those creeps hurt like **** especially since you're int. Attacking an enemy will result in their creeps attacking you and sooner or later the damage stacks up and you're sitting there wondering where the **** 300 HP went. Only attack an enemy hero when their creep wave is almost gone and they're just standing there for a possible last hit/deny.
The biggest problem is the lack of experience. This isn't a game that you can be insta good at just by reading guides. Sooner or later you'll get the ability to judge critical moments of time when a few well placed spells will nab you a kill.
I want to suggest the practice mode where you can play on your own, try different builds, learn the items and hero abilities and such. You can practice last-hitting and denying as well, all without the pressure of a real game
practice, and don't sook/give up/take what people say over the internet seriously
you'll get it!
just read up premium guides on item and skill builds, those are the most important thing for a new player
Try playing heroes that have farming skills and some escape mechanisms. The longer you stay alive, the more you will learn by playing. Try Wretched Hag - her third spell allows you to farm most of the waves of creeps and get gold and she has a Blink to escape enemies. Try Thunderbringer as well, buy 4-5 Mana potions and learn to last hit with Chain Lightning (pretty easy).
id recommend tb also .. he is ranged and so gives you tht little more space / time to run.
Don't autoattack creeps. It pushes them back to the tower which means you have to worry about the tower hitting you, you cannot really atatack the enemy heroes and worst of all ... it is easier for them to gank you.
Really you want to be fighting the creeps just out of range of your own tower.
Personally I found that I started to die less when thinking abotu it like that. I R still noob though.
Go to Practice mode and try to last hit/deny creeps without auto attack. ^^
Man is this a joke? ;P
Like most others say, itīs your first day and you havenīt even played dota, what do you expect ;P.
Most people you play against in this beta have long dota experince before they even started to play HoN.
Donīt overread guides in the beginning, just like anything else in life that has a "doing" you need to be "doing" 90% of the time and reading strategies 10% of the time.
Even if you buy completly wrong items et.c you will still get practise in the beginning when everything is new for you, so honestly wait a couple of days before starting with guides et.c.