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Adding LOLOLOLOLOL always makes you look smart.Originally Posted by DspNoRemorse
Sick of hearing about "higher level play" which is basically just another term for "people who need to get a life and want to feel more pro then everyone else.. LOLOLOL"
Hmm k I think a post in overdue since this is basically a counter to my guide.
I state in my guide that the item build reflects that of a competitive game. Note that I also stated that because not all games will be of this tier, I will post optional items that are not as common (steamboots, shroud) as well.
You are completely right that I did not touch up on the "advanced" tactics involved in soulstealer play. I also did mention, however, that it is up to the reader to find out these tactics like fog razing etc. I do have other things to do and personally I find every minute I spend on extra stuff like "highly advanced tactics" is not worth it for what the readers will get out of it.
After all, if you are actually that experienced, I have absolutely no idea why you would need to read a guide to "high-level" play. Any player who honestly believes he has a good soulstealer already knows all these tips and tricks, even some of them I still disagree on...please find me one shadow fiend replay from farm4fame or some other tourney where shadow raze at level 1 is clearly more beneficial then necromastery. Also, the norm tends to be that the leaders are carry players, but that is nowhere near universal, hell even I tell the players on my team what to do when I'm playing ward ***** or gank if I feel the need to. You don't think Maelk or Puppey boss their teams around when they are playing Chen? Srsly now.
Fraps is a good idea, gl with that, although the replay system, once implemented, will basically void that whole idea. Just letting you know in case you overlooked that.
Anyways I will be stepping down from moderator after today. It will be interesting to see if this guide has the quality required to actually replace mines, especially since it will take very little effort on my part to just upload a soulstealer replay once replays are enabled. Gl nevertheless.
Last edited by TinyBlkTears; 09-06-2009 at 06:39 PM.
Please go here and find me a replay where stats are taken from 12-15
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays
I wish you luck sir.
What early game nuking capabilities? Using your ult before its level 2 is stupid already, if you actually managed to hit somebody with every single torrent at 30 souls by level 9 if they for some reason let you stand there INSIDE of them, it's a 900 damage nuke after reduction. Enjoy attempting to do that at level 9.
Demon Hand is much more than enough to give you massive lane control and ganking capability. Getting ult early when it's much more effective at level 2 is stupid.
Last edited by Blarfles; 09-06-2009 at 07:42 PM.
The guide is absolutely awesome BUT I wish Glorify hadn't used DotA terms in some sections, e.g. "Advantages of Blink vs Lothars".
Using DotA item names really alienates newcomers - I wonder when it will stop...
War does not determine who is right - only who is left. - Bertrand Russell
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I get a portal key in 6 minutes by soloing mid with Pebbles.
It's definitely possible if you know how to play well. - MoOgLeD
I vote to have this guide in the premium section as well.
Thanks to my clan mate Minaxter for the awesome signature!
Well, it was indeed meant to be a replacement for your guide, but don't take it so personally! :P
The problem I had with your guide, was it hurt my eyes to read. The information displayed wasn't really all that useful, and you've suggested two items that make me cringe even when I see them on a Soulstealer in a pub. A lot of your information is misinformation, and you didn't touch on a lot of the things that make Soulstealer such a power-house hero.
I hope you're not stepping down from Modding because I made this guide? Either way, I have a request, I've filled the maximum 35k characters I can have in a single post and need to have a post of mine moved to the second post so I can finish with the rest of the information I'd like to get across.
Finalizing, if the replay system shows mouse position and key clicks, Fraps would of been in vain. However, I don't think it will, and showing people where I move my mouse, camera, and how spazzy I am clicking every second is sure to show them little tricks on how to improve.
There is no need to act like an ass, Glorify.
I have read Trainingday Guide as well, it DOES NOT contain misinformation. It DID NOT recommend steamboots and shroud over Post Haste and Portal Key, it clearly stated that in competitive games Post Haste and Portal key is the way to go.
While your guide went to some more details and has value in that respect (which is why I said I would like your guide to be premium as well), it does not mean that it can REPLACE Trainingday's guide, both guides have their ups and downs.
Your sentence about stepping down as a mod just makes no sense and reflects badly on you, shame that a good guide's poster is acting like an idiot.
Thanks to my clan mate Minaxter for the awesome signature!
Always get soulsteal as your first skill is misinformation. If it nets you first blood to get raze, you get raze. I'm not being a dick, I was explaining why I chose to make the guide, since he seemed to want an answer.
haha this is off topic glorify but...
your sig with the zeus and moon queen. was that the game where moon queen just riced all game (eventually owning them) and kept calling zeus the carry? lol
Yes.
!support
But Shadowraze/DEMON HAND (Please refer to them in their HoN names) won't net you first blood at all at level 1. In fact it's not even powerful till you're at level 5 and it's at 3, not getting Soulsteal at level 1 is an absolute waste when the Soulsteal/Demon/Demon/Soul/Demon build gives you the damage you need extremely early without having to waste skill points on a spell that isn't useful at the level.
Glorify is right that it is situational, you should leave your skill unleveled untill the first rune clash (at minute 0): if there are 1 or 2 teammates helping you in a first rune fight, it is definately better to get Demon Hand than Soulsteal.
However I do not agree that suggesting getting Soulsteal at level 1 is 'misinformation' as such, it is mainly a suggestion/opinion, not a statement of fact as to the truth of some matter
Thanks to my clan mate Minaxter for the awesome signature!
Full Demon Hand combo at level 1 does 156 damage total. If you have at least 2 team mates at a first rune fight who don't have powerful nukes or stuns then go ahead, but in most cases Soulsteal is by far a better option at level 1.
No, you're bad.
btw, is that real QC from wow?
WoW sucks.
My build is styled for a completely different way of play. I just brought it up because I personally find building more DPS more effective, but I usually play Soulstealer as a team's hard carry.
Saying I'm bad with nothing behind it is just rude.
WoW sucks.
This build is styled as hard carry. You're obviously just playing at a different level of play, which makes no sense to comment here because this is a guide to high level of play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoCmFR5_htE
Quality is bad, may improve upon the video being processed, either way it shows the point I wanted to get across.
Last edited by Glorify; 09-07-2009 at 01:41 AM.
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