I'm frustrated. I used to play DotA very well 4 years ago and was expecting that I would do as well in HoN after a couple of weeks of remembering how to play, but after more than 200 games, I'm still terrybad.
When I presume I should stun someone so my lane partner can finish the job, not only I die but my partner also dies trying to save me. When I presume I should be on defensive, my team bashes me because I was supposed to initiate. If I go ward the river, my team starts a teambattle elsewhere. When I'm going to the fountain, my team is returning from it.
I don't blame them though - if I was playing DotA 4 years ago with someone as bad as me, I would be mad indeed.
If I pick a carrier, I can't farm enough. If I pick a support, I end up being massacrated by a deadwood or devourer. If I pick an initiator, I initiate on the wrong times. If I pick a nuker, most often than not my spells are useless before I could do anything.
I read all the guides I could possibly find, I know every spell from every hero, watched dozens of honcasts and replays and I still don't see any improvement.
I want to get better, but there must be something I'm missing and I can't figure out. Could you guys please give me some help? Feel free to watch some of my replays.
Thanks in advance ... or else, I may end up in your team!
Also theres the "small" factor of unit reactions / Gfx is alot faster etc in HoN. It takes time to get used to, theres realy no other way than to keep tryin' and u'll get better at some point. As i always said to myself when i began my CSS days: Be Noob Go Pro! - And ended up playin' in Slap, ED etc.
So keep up tryin' and it'll come in time!
Cheers from Player69
Communication and using homecoming stones will fix these. Let your teammates know you want them to follow up, and keep an eye on the mini map. If they're reasonably close, go ahead and initiate/stun. Never EVER run across the map if you can help it, unless you're actively sweeping for a kill target; even then, you should have an idea of where potential victims are as opposed to wasting time roaming.When I presume I should stun someone so my lane partner can finish the job, not only I die but my partner also dies trying to save me. When I presume I should be on defensive, my team bashes me because I was supposed to initiate. If I go ward the river, my team starts a teambattle elsewhere. When I'm going to the fountain, my team is returning from it.
For carries, practice last hits. Have your supports creep stack. Learn when you should go clear stacks and when you should be laning.If I pick a carrier, I can't farm enough. If I pick a support, I end up being massacrated by a deadwood or devourer. If I pick an initiator, I initiate on the wrong times. If I pick a nuker, most often than not my spells are useless before I could do anything.
Supports die; try to minimize deaths but if you win the team battle, you probably did ok.
Initiation... again, communicate. Make sure your team is close by enough to follow up, and let them know when you're going in. Even something as simple as ping should be enough once you establish via team chat pings mean your intent to go in.
Nukers/gankers... just gotta be aggressive and make the most of early game.
I am going to watch some of your games and see what you are doing wrong ok?
Don't you have old dota friends you can bring with you? I'd say that would be more valuable in the long run, heh.
You were probably bad at DoTa also... or playing shithorror games and doing decent in them. I mean yes its different, but if you were good at DoTa you shouldt have problems with basic stuff like farming and map awareness, when to initiate teamfights or so. Not to flame, im bad in this game also, but your post dont make much sense to me.
Just play and you should get better. Watch replays of good players playing pubs.
edit: My bad. I read "used to play dota for 4 years" instead of "4 years ago". Perhaps you are just a bit rusty?
Last edited by Deityh; 11-12-2010 at 03:03 AM.
Also , in 4 Years Dota Changed completely , the gameplay level rose a lot.
And on HoN it rose even further , so thats no wonder you might be having difficulty with playing it.
Proper way to play is to man up. Balls to the walls baby. Nobody will hate you even if you die. That said, do you have any friends you play with regularly? Practice laning together. Coordinate stuff. You'll learn aggressive play much more quickly that way. Don't be a ***** like 99% of the HoN community <3<3
just watched one of ur latest games with pestilence, laning solo against bubbles/magebane (later swift joins u).
the were a lot of things that explain why u are where u are:
- u really do have a reaction time fitting ur psr. (lasthitting(7creepkills at min 13), 5s to realize bubbles ported and so on)
-u dont really know all the skills, u always run out of bubbles ulti / try to gank mage with swift ??
- judging situations: going pesti/swift against gauntlet, bubbles, magebane early game is not a win, dont know why u stayed there.
-the only regen u have all game (well only watched till min 15 or so) is chalice (really would like to see the guide that tells u to get chalice on pesti Oo) -> one of the first advices i read when i started was: look alive!
always stay around with full hp/mana, if ur down to 1/4hp and mana, dont wait 5 mins for the 2hp/s regen, 1. ur really easy to kill 2. u cant farm during that time.
didnt see u using chalice at all anyway, get a hatchet at start instead to outlasthit mage.
all these points will get better with playing, so thats really the only advice i can give.
aside from that i think u did a good job (17assists) (so ur not sticking with the team problem got solved i guess?)
Thank you Lapidus for taking the time to watch it. I would like to ask you some questions:
Also, I admit that I had a poor reaction time with Bubbles.
I like the fact that you at least know you are doing it wrong.
As far as I can help you, lurk more, make friends, play only 1 or 2 heroes per week or so. That's the best strategy I can give you at the moment.
If you still think that after 200 games and a good background of DotA is not enough for you to learn the basics, you might be in front of a wall that can't be overcome.
I saw a thread, sorry can't find the link anymore, on another forum that explained why some people can't be good at some games. Long story short, mine is Gun games and I know I cant be good at them because it takes some part of my brain that is less effective or something like that. It might be something related to that for yourself.
I ain't saying you can't be good, but think about it and try everything you can before giving up.
Watching Honcast.com is also a good way to learn how to play the basics. I watched every single cast they made since their first site without sponsors and I now know a lot more than my PSR bracket.
Don't give up just yet.
Jews from Pinoy-Land
I have friends that played massive dota and h0n and they still suck, really suck... I think people are good on diffrent things. Like in life, you know...?
I watched some of your replays, and it just seems like you're lacking the awareness needed to be an asset to your team. Warding is completely fine, but you don't need to ward the same spots over and over again. Move with your team more, because those teamfights you missed were crucial. Some of them happened in the opponents' jungle, which can be and should be warded. In some of your replays, you repeatedly warded the rune spots, which is okay, but in mid/late game, it may be more important to ward offensively or defensively, rather than both rune spots.
Avoid games with 2 or more locks. I noticed you faced 5 clanmates in a game recently... and 2 others from their clan were in your team, which means they could've been intentionally letting them get farmed, feed or ghost you and the others in your team. (which I suppose you understand)
I'm not sure if you're comfortable with your knowledge of skill and item builds on every hero that you play, but this guide has helped me A LOT while playing new heroes:
I usually suck as Fayde. I managed to get the core shown there, plus a codex level 4 and almost a finished Nullfire Blade (we faced Madman, so I should probably have rushed it before codex) but I ended up with 8-5-X, plus... we won the game. ^^
And this has helped me a lot with juking and mindgames:
Another very important thing to keep in mind is that you have to be able to communicate easily with your teammates and co-operate. If everyone's caring about themselves and just farms forever you'll most likely lose the game. If you countergank with TPs, help each other while fleeing from a failed teamfight or just simply synergizing each others' abilities you'll notice a huge difference.
I myself, play HoN with around 7 different friends, we usually play 5v5s no ab games against some other people and there are almost always two people from the group. Once, we managed to (through pure teamplay) win against a clan at around 1600-1700 PSR, while we were at 1400-1500 (one of us being 1600).
Play with friends, if you can't - play games with no locks in them. If you can, make sure you can communicate in an easy way.
Quickly look through a guide of the hero you're about to play to remind yourself of skill and item build.
Stuff happens a lot faster in HoN (IMO), I noticed this after going from DotA to HoN and I was like "wtf is going on?", get used to it. ^^
#4 as Maliken
watch sn1perok_ replays, hes a ****ing beast for pub solo
alot of people will say, he isnt a team player and isnt something to follow on
but if you arent going for competitive, i say **** it, if ur team are dumb and want to run in and die, let them, you get kdr, the other team rage quits as you lower their kdr
i used to get 1-6 to 2-6 deaths a game, constantly, it was infuriating because id played dota since 3.34b or some ****
on and off ofc
since watching him, ive 20+ bomb'd quite a few games, and am (thank****) getting my psr/kdr back up to decent numbers, althought thinking abotu justreseting stats because i wouldnt have to fight .01's up in kdr id just go flat 2;1