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From other posts i've read the general consensus was to get :Portalkey: and then :ShrunkenHead: forwith maybe :ElderParasite: afterwards.
However, imo for the ganking phase of the game :ElderParasite: provides a a much greater benefit than :Portalkey: since :ElderParasite: actually gives a dps boost for the same cost.
What do you think about :ElderParasite: before :ShrunkenHead: and leaving :Portalkey: for last or perhaps not at all if you dont need the initiation?
Perhaps im just not using the :Portalkey: correctly, but to me it just seems like a waste of 2150 gold since you dont need it to land your stun and :ElderParasite: gives an awsome dps boost for more powerful ganks as well as lifesteal so you can jungle farm / regen easier.
Your thoughts?
If you are going to recomend :Portalkey:, then I'd appreciate some reasoning on why it is better and perhaps some tips for using it better in the ganking phase. Thanks
there is no standard build for any hero, its always situational lets say they have 5 casters i doubt u want to be in a team fight with elder, a shruken would be best first. or if you are neded for initiation than you may need pk first.
In general if you don't have a reliable initiator, then getting a portal key is a good option for Hammerstorm as he immediately gets right in their face and can stun and do his thing.
Otherwise, if you do have a reliable initiator then Portal Key is pretty much a waste of money like you said in my opinion and he's better off getting items that make him a more reliable carry/semi-carry.
Hammerstorm isn't a really good initiator, Get Shrunken first always on Hammer.
Don't get elder if you're going to initiate, you'll get obliterated in a heartbeat. I'd recommend going for PK if you get a nice farm to start with, so you can get it early.
Though if you're struggling you might want to consider shrunken or atleast that +10 str part (can't remember the name...).
I'm not a huge fan of Elder Parasite on any hero. PK, Shrunken is the obvious combo, perhaps with a Breastplate following for your attack speed and top it all off with a Behemoths Heart. Most items are situational on heroes, but try to avoid Elder Parasite because as stated, against competent players you're going to fall very quickly.
What is the combo? Ult, pk, stun, auto?
Yeah that would be the combo but you shouldn't be looking to hammerstorm to initiate your team fights.Originally Posted by blazian88
It'd depend how much follow up you have and how good your team is at aoe stuns. If you blink and stun and you find your Pyro, Witch, Andro, Jester or whatever are following up with good stuns and you have the enemy team locked down with Crowd Control. You can save popping the ult and shrunken until at least 2 of the 5 enemies have broken the CC and setting up a quick defence.
If you're the only aoe stun on the team, it's time to PK, shrunken, ult, stun and HAMMERTIME. It entirely depends on the enemies abilities and how they synergise against you and your allies abilities and how they synergise with you. The more auto attacks inbetween Crowd Control the more damage.
The level 16 Pebbles combo if he can't chuck to your carry, for instance, is usually PK, auto attack, chuck, auto attack, stun, auto attack x2/x3.
Imagine that game sense with a team of allied stuns. Hammerstorm's potential DPS is ridiculous.
Shrunken head or portal key first, depending what your team needs most.
Then, if you REALLY want to buy an elder parasite, DON'T do it, and buy Insanitarius instead.
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Can watch this if you want, went shrunken then ep, did pretty well with it. Like everyone said tho, all situational.
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I always go portal key first asap, then shrunken head
from there you can choose from a lot of other items, I rarely make EP
Why not? It's basically the same as Pestilence initiating, AOE stun which sets other players up nicely to follow up with their aoe damage abilities. Sure it's not Behemoth or Pharaoh initiating but when you don't have a lot of initiation possibilities Hammer can work just fine.
As far as build order it's highly situational. Obviously Shrunken head is a great pick up 90% of the time. EP makes his ulti do a TON of damage but you should never pick it up until AFTER your Shrunken head otherwise you are just asking to get disabled and evaporated by nukes.
You are so wrong in many ways.
Hammerstorm is one of the best intiators without portal key since he has a range aoe stun.
With pkey, Hammerstorm is one of the most best intiators since he has a aoe stun that is ranged as well, So you can initiate on ppl 2000yrds away, etc.
Hammerstorm is a better being built as an initiator than carry.
Hammercarry can easily get countered by purge/harder carries
Hammerstorm is initiator/semicarry , but if your team has other means of initiating (Magmus,Behe,Pesti,etc.) you can go carry since too much initiation would suck without dmg,
But if your team needs a carry and a initiator,
the right way to do it in 95% of the games you will ever play.
:Steamboots::ShrunkenHead::Portalkey::Insanitarius ::SymbolOfRage::Riftshards:
Of course, if you can get past whispering helm then you're farming too hard and not getting involved enough, you're in an em game (get out and stop playing these), you somehow broke the 70 minute barrier, or your clantag is eG.
justification:
:Steamboots: Well, I guess teleportboots if you're making a pushing team, but most of the time you shouldn't be farming hard enough to need these. Striders aren't too useful as you need to chase, you don't need the bonus ms from ghost marchers (you have galvanize) and some extra mana for a hammer works well with you, so go for steams.
:ShrunkenHead: To prevent ult purging, CC and added hp and damage.
:Portalkey: Hammerstorm REQUIRES utility, necessary item, no exceptions.
:Insanitarius: Best source of dmg and ias for a melee carry, awesome item.
:SymbolOfRage: Beastheart alternative if you feel you can't handle the active ability. Either way, it pounds the **** out of everything and has a good build-up.
:Riftshards: Why not, more dps and a chance to get a massive crit with your ult is never a bad thing.
[edit] I forgot to say, the only variable about this build is pk or sh first. I prefer pk, but it depends on your playstyle.
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^ I like that build except i would probably end up making an EP instead of symbol just necause after steamboots/blink/bkb/insan the game should be over long before the crit/SoR
Debatable. I think elder leaves something to be desired, and combined with insan makes you far too fragile, dieing after initiation.^ I like that build except i would probably end up making an EP instead of symbol just necause after steamboots/blink/bkb/insan the game should be over long before the crit/SoR
Hammerstorm is in the unique position of initiator/carry, with priority #1 being leaping into teamfights headfirst. Often times you'll be the first one attacked, and elder/insan combined is just too much damage to take (even with shrunken head) without a behemoths heart, leaving your carry abilities dead in the water.
Plus, with an agi gain of 2 (not great, but it works) and insanitarius you should be hitting fast enough in the higher levels, and competing with harder carry's you're far better off with the armour, lifesteal and str from SoR. Even whispering helm is better than elder imho.
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Elders is great if you grab it early. If i've got a good farm up i'll usually be grabbing it before T2 boots. Why? Lets you farm neuts a lot more effectivly - gives you a speed boost to get away with your galvinise if **** hits the fan. However i'm usually in the farming lane (legion bot/hellbourne top) with a good teammate so we're never short on kill money.
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After Treads, blink, bkb, and some dps luxuries like :Insanitarius: (:WhisperingHelm:/:ElderParasite,
I would recommend
Fair call. I was just saying from a price perspective, if the game is expected to go for another 10-15 minutes it would be better to make one of the other items (Breastplate, heart, SoR)
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