If you don't like LN you aren't being forced to play with us. That said, there is a reason we have 300+ active members. Yes, officers don't have the presence that I would like them to but that's because of the sheer number of members we have. It's hard to keep track of that many people.
We've recently hired 8 new officers and we're still looking for more. The problem is keeping someone interested in a super tedius job every day.
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LN are a great clan in my opinion,
but the thing is, there is alot of trolling, and I just go with them and begin trolling myself. It's kinda sad, because it just gets me to play bad and imature.
The IH's is a place to learn, to try new tactics off, have fun and don't care about stats.
I just think there needs some more officers or what ever they're called nowadays, we are in great need of assistance to clean the IH's and pubs we play together up!
I've been with LN for a long time. Stopped playing a bit, started again, and joined LN again. My 2 cents:
When Grokken was LN months ago, he raged. Not because he is/was a 1750 or 1800+ player, but cause someone would ask a question, get an answer, and not learn. "Don't do this". Player does the opposite. I know, i've been there.
As far as current IH matches go:
Help is there. Ask. Often you might only learn about it after the match, but not if you don't ask. A few clans play with us, and my generally experience with them has been pleasant. There is rage. Can't stop it. Things could be handled better, sure. I played in one last week, had Pharaoh, told everyone mid game that i wanna try a more fun build, and we had no problems. Was nice to have that room to try something.
The best advice is the type you get when you think you doing something right, but really there's a better way. "Change your boots, they work better with [insert hero here] than what you have them on." Or the type where you're lane partner actually sees you trying to play to benefit both of you, and acknowledges it. I have a FAIL Plague game (well the start was horrid!) First Blooded at rune spot, downhill from there. But I stayed in lane, supported, harrassed, listened and was actually GG after i managed to catch up on levels (lol). But that team play is what you want in IH games, that communication, and you will learn simply by experiencing it. There are still people in LN who help. So don't give up on them
It takes a certain type of person to help someone else and teach them. IRL I was forced into a position where I have to teach a bunch of people, and what i really want to be doing is learning. Its tough, and you quickly lose the will to want to teach. But to those that to help, even some of the none LN members, thank you guys.
I heard a lot of bad stuff about this clan before I joined it, like there was some massive drama and some very terrible core problems, but I haven't seen anything really wrong with the clan at all after I joined (maybe it was fixed?)
LN Inhouses like 4chan? Umm... I don't recall. Some people have tons of fun with each other, pick at each other, but none of them are maliciously attacking others. AAT members are nice, non clan members are nice, and LN players are nice.
I can join inhouses knowing that I'm going to join a game where it's not going to be some uber stressful environment with raging nerds yelling at each other. The atmosphere is fun, and it's not just "silly" fun like that BS of people picking Scout and going Codex...
Not to mention LNPT (LN Practice Team) has been a very good experience for me because it helped me become a better player. I think I'm doing a million times better at being a support hero and my rising PSR and excessive amounts of times I've played DS (he's too damn fun) is good proof that this clan is very helpful.
I honestly do not see how "LN is just getting worse" or anything like that. It's a very solid clan, and the inhouses are fun as hell.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive(PSR), but what they conceal is vital("true" PSR).
Nowadays, the highest PSR players pick a semi-carry mid and gank the hell out of the other team's beginners. No help nothing, just pure stomping and demotivating.
The observers tend to laugh at the beginners making mistakes and getting stomped badly.
The highest PSR-carry-mid-show-off players, also rage at beginner allies, when the mid-carry dies; blaming the beginners for bad support and raging at them rather than helping.
I can give match ID's, names and timestamps if needed.
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I'm just gonna tell you a thing about the behavior.
At first when joining the clan the most of the people had a nice behavior, helped you and stuff. Lately it have become more and more people trolling. If I ask a question, one player may answear seriously and be helpfull but then 10 other members come with comments like "you ****ing noob" etc. For example Lolzalot said that I sucked when he hadn't play with me once.
I really want to be a part of the clan, because there is good players, but if this continues and grows, I'll probably leave. I don't take ****. I try to be so polite as possible, but it's almost impossible to be with people acting like kids tryin' to be something they're not.
Grokken has old man rage. The best kind.
Let me spell it out plain for you
Angry people complain about the things I do
I'm not changing direction, I'm stepping my game up
Maintaining my name, the same way I came up.
Truth is, I thought it mattered
I thought that music mattered.
But does it? Bollocks!
Not compared to how people matter.
I haven't been around in awhile, i have been in the process of moving, and have no internet, and no computer. Haha. If you have an issue with one of our members, please PM me, and i will do the best i can to resolve your issue. LN is a learning clan, and i personally want it to be a a learning place, not a rage, hatred place. (It's too early for me to find fancy words). Anyways, if you have a problem PM me. Seriously, even if it's small, i'll deal with it, and if i can't deal with it, i will find someone who can. I care for this community, and i care for LN, and i want this to be the best learning place you can find.
Edit: All applications have been dealt with. Sorry for the delay. If you got in, congratulations! I will be checking everyday for new applications, since i have my internet back. Sorry for the delay again.
Last edited by Joshthenewt; 11-11-2010 at 07:51 PM.
I just joined LN. As I'm not a troll and actually interested in helping people out, I can play matches with you and so on. As long as you don't have problems listen to someone being fairly young .
Bump for the win! We need more members for IH's! Gogo.
Well I applied and am very keen to get into a nice/active community, hopefully I will get an answer soon. Would be so nice to play with ppl who do not rage/leave all the time and are fun to play with, but one can only dream about that :P
I'm also a member of the "would get falcon pawnched by Lego if we met IRL" club.
The fundamental flaw of the LN inhouses is that they worked well in the beginning. The players who needed to learn, did, and those players stayed in the community and continued to develop. At a certain point, a pinnacle was reached where the lowest LN player would not be able to compete with the highest LN player in IHs. There is now a point where there are not enough LN tags to fully support a game, or the LN that do play, are beyond what they can learn fron playing in such an inhouse.
This caused a pseudo split in the community where most of them are pubbing instead of inhousing, or just spec due to server difference. The last LN game I spectated was full of all-chat flame, no guidance, and no respect for other players. There wasn't anyone with enough experience or "law" to streamline these.
Now, with a huge influx of "friends of ln," "channel sitters," and other inhouse clans (including my own) , the experience of a LN inhouse has gone from a previous reliably stable and predictable environment to the opposite. This is why AAT expanded from friends to an inhouse community, with a group banlist to eliminate the previous grievances. We no longer join Ln inhouses as to remove at least one variable (other than to spectate).
Tl;dr LN players are getting better because of ln and are leaving only the stompers, flamers, and lowest level of players unwilling to learn in the IH. The better LN players are aware of this and don't IH cause of such.
The idea is right, but the 3 days I've been into there was nothing but pubstomp-no LN people killing the IH's. If theres no officer online actually making the idea happen, it's a GG stomp/flame/QQ/rage/noobbashing fest.
TBH, I started doing IHs lately, and the experience is a lot different from what I've enjoyed. It's not even like I've taken a large break from them or anything, but it's been pretty foul and not really anything on the LN level (thought there may be certain people who are putting us down in our clan.)
There was this whiny ******* of a player from [REBL] who b*tched, whined, raged, and etc. and nobody (including myself) did anything about it. There's always reason to be angry, but when you take it out through whining, b*tching, and complaining all the time, it ruins the experience of "just having fun" which LN games are supposed to be like. Both games with the guy ended up foul, and I feel bad because I probably should have said something.
Then came this guy who always acted like he "carried" games or some sh*t, and that was a foul experience too. Eventually it turned down to like level 15 Pyro with Bottle and Striders deciding he wanted to "carry" and all that crap. Though, it was fun in the end because all the drama was resolved, Pyromancer chose to be support, and we all knew we were going to lose. So we decided to Courier spam and just ragequit at 45, I bought a PK because I was lazy and didn't want to wait for Courier cooldowns. I guess the other team left too, but it ended up that it counted as win in my match history (Oh yeah!) Was pretty fun at the end, no huge problems. We all left happily.
The last game I played in an inhouse, it was just a fun game. Random ban draft, all the carries were banned, and duplicate heroes. Crazy fun, and everybody enjoyed the hell out of it. It was a mess of a game. I don't think LN inhouses are bad overall, but there just seems to be a one set of people who whine, *****, and complain all the time about less experienced players, and there are the ones that are either very helpful or ones that just want to have some fun. I think for most of my time in LN, I played games with the same crowd of people, so that's why I never experienced the foul side of LN.