Valkyrie

[Atreyue]

http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...formula&page=3


Read this pls. -armor is LESS effective as the enemy gains more armor which is what is said in my first post. This means a shieldbreaker is _MORE_ effective agaisnt a 4 armor targer, but one of the "worst"damage item against a 40 armor target. BUT to quote Iruul:

This is a very common confusion that many people have about armor. While EHP does increase linearly, depending on how you look at it, -armor is both just as effective no matter how much armor is stacked and it is also diminishing. I will use these exact number for an example. To make this slightly more lucid I will skip the grunt work of typing out the math, just trust me on it.

Our imaginary defender will have 1000 hp and the attacker will do exactly 100 dmg a hit.

For the scenario of 50 armor, the defender will have 75% damage reduction and will die in exactly 40 hits from the attacker.
If the attacker has shieldbreaker, the defender will have 44 armor with 72.5% damage reduction and will die in exaclty 36.4 hits from the attacker.

For the scenario of 6 armor, the defender will have 26.5% damage reduction and will die in exactly 13.6 hits.
If the attacker has shieldbreaker, the defender will have 0 armor with 0% damage reduction and will die in exactly 10 hits from the attacker.

Now lets look what has happened. In the first scenario, the shieldbreaker had only decreased the damage reduction by a mere 2.5% while in the second scenario the shieldbreaker has reduced the damage reduction by a whopping 26.5%, over 10 times more than at 50 armor. However, it is still as "effective" because in both scenarios, the shieldbreaker allows you to kill your opponent 3.6 hits earlier than if you didn't have it. This stays true no matter how much armor the defender has; no matter how much he stacks armor, he will still die 3.6 hits earlier if the attacker has shieldbreaker.

In a sense, however, it also isn't linear. In the scenario where the defender has 50 armor, killing him with 36.4 hits as compared to 40 hits is 9% less hits, or a 9% dps increase whereas in the second scenario killing the defender in 10 hits as compared to 13.6 hits is a 26.5% dps increase. Keep in mind that 50 armor is fairly extreme though.

In other words, a shieldbreaker can be considered just as affective regardless of the amount of armor that is stacked because it allows you to kill a hero faster by a static amount of attacks. However, the effective dps increase that shield breaker gives you does diminish as the defender stacks armor.






So my argument still stands: IF your opponents are stacking armor lets say 50(unlikely though) it's much better to get another riftshards than a shieldbreaker. But if your enemy has 4 armor, shieldbreaker is more effective.

BUT armor is linear, so it is as "effetive" all game long even if the enemy have 30 or 10 armor, but i am comparing shieldbreaker to another dps item which is better when facing high armor opponents contra low armor.( extra 5 armor means an extra attack)

Also, although your argument maybe valid when its just yourself attacking the target, but 1 other person attacking the target means 3.6 x 2 less hits. 5 people means 3.6 x 5 less hits. If you get raw damage items, it doesnt have this benefit. So bringing down a tough lego, those 18 less hits on lego can be the difference between him surviving and REALLY hurting your team, or him dying

I love this guide, I have just recently stated trying valk out too reasonable success. Always get geo and shieldbreaker though, its nice that shieldbreaker transfers to illusions

[[IH]ugapa]

can a mod change the title of this thread to "Valkyrie and Armor Guide"

[[LN]Count_Tethys]

Pest's ult + demo breastplate on him helps as a teammate.

pro anti armor team

panda, valk, pesti, deadwood, SS. hehe

[[S2]Vahn]

You should be able to change to title yourself by Editing the OP.

[[IH]ugapa]

i was kidding when i said that, but didnt know i could do that

and I don't know where to begin about that lineup

[[UCLA]eraye1]

imo runed axe core.

[Dansken`]

Why do you think valk is a great farmer the mana cost on her aoe spell is to high to even ''waste'' on a creep spawn

[[IH]ugapa]

I wouldn't use Call of the Valkyrie on a unstacked creep camp unless I'm heading to base. Valkyrie's Call of the Valkyrie allows her to clear a stacked creep camp quite easily though. Another technique you can use is to pull two different camps (or three if you're in the legion jungle) and then use Call of the Valkyrie to do damage on all of the creeps.

You can also use your leap so that you can clear distance and farm right away instead of going around trees or cliffs.

[Radioman]

Wow this guide is really well developed.

I would like to personally thank you for taking the time into making something that not only is accurate and correct, but 100% easy to follow for newer players.

I also thought your constant responses to questions and inquiries are just well delivered. Most people would stress how their answer is the only correct one but you showed that you can modify your original premise into something outstanding with the insight of others.

10/10 Premium guide nod for sure.

[[IH]ugapa]

Upgraded the guide to include even more colors. I may have gone overboard, feedback is greatly appreciated. If you notice me forgetting to color heroes, skills or items please let me know!

[[nBi]Khakhan]

Really good updates, I hope it gets to be premium like it deserves! Probably the best use of pictures among all the guides.

[Ventus]

Best guide I've seen for valk so far.

[[IH]ugapa]

Had to have a few posts deleted so that I could add a third page to this guide, so the format should look better now. I'm open to any questions or suggestions

[Radioman]

WOW, amazing updates. Why isn't this premium yet? UGAPA FIGHTING!

[[IH]ugapa]

added/replaced pictures with upgraded zoomed out pictures!

[[S2]ElementUser]

The Javelin of Light travels at 837 ms -_-

It's 857.14 ms now after I tweaked it a few months ago



Grammar-nazi post (Post Haste):

These are an option if you are farming incredibly well in the early game or if its extremely late into the game and you really need your item spots.

While I know Post Haste is implied as a "pair of boots", it would be more accurate to say "This is an option" instead of "These are an option" because it implies that more than 1 thing can be a single option.

[[IH]ugapa]

u_u

fixed

[Drasha]

premiumed!

[Anakha]

grats!

[[IH]ugapa]

thanks!