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woops I kinda processed that wrong when I was typing. I meant sheepstick (notorious counter against hard carries) Staff is like a never-get on pyro IMHOOriginally Posted by persianmage
exactly
I consider it core on theseand optional on these (it's good, but not needed)
. I'd never get it on anyone else.
:chro: Late game, 5-6th item
Depends on by build
Core
trollololol
No I don't do staff onbecause it's not needed for these heroes.
And before you just yell at me for getting staff on sb and chornos tell me why I am doing something wrong.
Why are people rating :StaffOfTheMaster: so lowly on? His sole job is to nuke people down, and anything that helps him with it is good on him. :StaffOfTheMaster: also gives him stats, so it's preferred over other nuking items (like a :Codex
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Notail makes it every game he plays
you can see sotm on thunderbringer in competitive games,GOOD:
SITUATIONAL:
NOOBTASTIC:
so ots not
noobtastic as you put it.
thunderbringer's job after he can no longer instantly kill people is to do a lot of team damage, and sotm adds a lot of team damage
I still don't much like the item on him, but it's certainly better than it is on witch/pyro
So many heroes being left out... these are all the heroes according to hondb.com it effects, and if it is worth it, going from Core to Luxury, Situational and Money better spent elsewhere
Core:
This ability is ****ing cool, and comes in handy more than you'd think.
Every time
Luxury:
If you find you can get (near) full duration on your ulti, sure why not?
after sac stone and FFP/heart sure why not.
Damage is decent, but the cooldown is where it's at. Almost a minute lower, meaning it doesn't have to be saved just for teamfights and can assist in ganks/small 2v2 battles. Another "get it if you can get it early" item.
Situational:
(I personally like it, constant ninja swaps allow you to be extraordinarily useful in teamfights)
If you're making a strong -armour (or need to counter a -armour) team this works fine, but not to useful in general.
Rape the midlane and get it in time for ganking it can really turn you into a machine against a low disable team, but most of the time, shrunken head is a better pick-up.
Good if you have strong AOE disable (tempest etc) and can get all the bounces off, poor otherwise.
Does some good damage, but nothing special. Only get it if your team has the ability to kill any of those 1hp heroes.
Good against a team of summoned units (puzzleboxes, warbeast etc)
Money better spent elsewhere:
1 extra second on ult just not worth it, get support items.
:chro: Stats are terrible, and change to ulti is minor for 4k gold.
This is terrible on magmus, an extra wave of ulti (around 110 damage) and a 20 second lower cd? Just not worth it. Save up for sheepstick.
get a portal key and some wards instead.
40% hp kill to 48% hp kill, not worth it by a long shot, Icon of the godess before this.
Get a sheepstick for yet another disable instead, damage not worth it.
Portal key. Wards. All this hero needs.
There ya go, feel free to debate this list, but now at least all the heroes are here.
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Agree on all counts except voodoo. I consider it his big item.So many heroes being left out... these are all the heroes according to hondb.com it effects, and if it is worth it, going from Core to Luxury, Situational and Money better spent elsewhere
Core:
Luxury:
Situational:
Money better spent elsewhere:
:chro: Stats are terrible, and change to ulti is minor for 4k gold.
There ya go, feel free to debate this list, but now at least all the heroes are here.
PSupply/bottle/chalice>boots of choice>shrunken head>sotm.
Although with trilanes everywhere, i can see why he should never have it, but still, i consider it core.
Worth the math on voodoo
DPS goes from 400 to 500
Targets go from 2 to 3
800 to 1500 total, probably the biggest difference there right?
Of course getting a good ult off is another thing, but w/e
[EDIT] Staff on plague is like staff on tb. Far, far better items to pick.
Last edited by Llama; 10-03-2010 at 03:26 AM.
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The main difference between a damage booster like Pollywogs wards and VJ is that VJ has to channel his ult. The damage increase is MASSIVE, but if they have one of MANY heroes with activated or passive stuns (trust me, there's a lot) or silences you've purchased a 4400 gold blue stick.
Which means to even make that possible, a further 3900 gold must be spent on a shrunken head as well (and even then, hellbringer and pestilence etc can still stop you in your tracks). 8300 is a lot of gold to get off this amazing ult, and is only really possible in long (read: 50+ minute) games for VJ to get that kind of farm, when many other items can benefit the team more in the short run. But, if the game seems like you can get to 50 minutes with 8300 it is a very potent item, which is why I put it in the "Luxury" catagory.
Now, if you're facing a no-stun or silence team than I don't think you'll have enough time to farm the glowstone before you win anyways.
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Thunderbringer with staff and refresher is pretty good, instant 1100 mg dmg to enemy team.
It's not that hard to get off a good ult without shrunken as voodoo. Hide in the trees or wait for the enemies to blow their stuns, then ult in the middle of a fight. My personal favorite is at kongor: if a teamfight is going down there hide behind kong and ult...people never notice you until its too late.
Staff really makes voodoo a lot better and should be picked up first if at all possible.
it's fairly hard to get enough mana to viably afford double ult as TB (you might just be able to afford it, but then you're out of mana)
you're better off going for a sheepstick in most cases
Edit. nvm @ necro, forum displayed date badly and thought this was a thread from Jan.
Its an insanely good item on a hero like
I would call it situational on all the other heroes,with some(
Last edited by Midya; 10-04-2010 at 07:38 PM.
Carries like Chronos/MQ/Swiftblade should not be getting SotM except maybe as a 3rd or 4th luxury item. They need to hit stuff, not rely on spells. Witch Slayer and Pyro should not be getting SotM because 4300 gold for 100-200 damage is terrible.
I personally really like it on Pollywog, Pharaoh, Demented Shaman, Wretched Hag, Soul Reaper, Voodoo Jester, and Chipper because they really benefit from the stats and the effect. Utility ultimates such as Nymphora's, Andromeda's, Ophelia's, are good to have too. For bonus damage like Plague Rider, Magmus, Thunderbringer, Glacius, Torturer, Devourer, etc. it can be good too.
Finally, it needs to be ported for Bubbles and Legionnaire.
By the way: http://www.honwiki.net/wiki/Staff_of_the_Master
when will people learn that items depend not just on your hero but on your team line up, the enemy line up, strategy and other variables within the current game
despite what people think:
sotm is a standard item you commonly see on TB
sotm is a viable option on pyro/ws, if you can't farm anything else, mostly for the good stats and buildup.
it's even possibly viable on heroes like swiftblade (but in very rare circumstances)
To be honest it has terrible stats. The only thing good on it is the glowstone. For survivability, you could get a glowstone+void talisman+mystic vestments, which just saved you like 1200, and i can guarantee you that a void talisman and vestments will give you more survivability that this staff could ever hope to.
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