Yes, this has been said before. Just started testing, I think S2 need to be reminded again.
The DotA heroes that you have copied over are great. They are fun, look awesome, they have character, and they are all of those characters that you love to have during an -apem or -ar.
The problem is that the game is now lacking some of the most important support/team heroes that DotA did so well. We have a great roster of "LoL Juggernaught is fun" style heroes, but none of those "Well, we need him on our team".
We have Earthshaker, but we're missing Sand King, Tidehunter and Beastmaster.
We have Abaddon but we're missng Leoric.
We have Scout, Dark Lady, but we're missing Sniper and PA.
We got Lina and Rylai, but we don't have Lich, Pugna or Lion.
We're missing those characters which can really make a difference in terms of team play and support, not just in the "o kek I lasthitted 1909 heroes", but those who force people to play together, as a team, to win.
We have a problem, where is one team has Earthshaker, there is nothing like him in the game, whereas in DotA his stun abilities are at least mirrored by 3-4 other heroes. This is what makes DotA so tactically brilliant for the mere character picking stages.
I'd like to add a caveat here, and say I love HoN, it's awesome, but if I were S2, I'd have implemented every single DotA Hero...
Except Alchemist. Noone likes Alchemist.
Edit: I thought I'd reiterate somewhat.
When playing in league/pickup, as part of a 5-man, SD mode game, one of the most important things is team selection.
You take 1 carry, unless you have two of the top carry heroes in game and are confident you can do it.
You need heroes that will be strong in early, to allow your carries to farm in safety. You also need those heroes who support the whole team, turn up when you need them with a timely fissure, stun, epicentre or the like.
When the draft comes up, you'll often see one team has Sand King and another stunner open to them. In DotA, that's not a problem. Because where one team has Sand King and Earth Shaker, the other has Slardar and Tidehunter, Vengeful Spirit, Lion.. the list goes on.
In HoN, if one team has Earthshaker.... you have... errr.. Kraken?
Similarity in heroes is not neccessarily a bad thing. For a game to have tactical difficulty, it should be about when and where to use your abilities, not who got Earthshaker in their SD.
Last edited by raurth; 07-07-2009 at 02:20 PM.
But I don't agree to your hero choices. I really disagree there.
Sniper is one of the less interessting to play against heroes and very uninspired imho.
PA is one of the most boring heroes ever. Just the generic 1-click hero.
Leoric is just one generic stun+nuke more.
Lion is also a very generic nuker.
Granted he has manaburn but we allready have Magina for cutting mana down and NA would have Manaburn + he is no generic nuker.
But what we need least are more stealth heroes so NA would be crap too.
Pugna would be a nice addition but not because of nukes. Just because of his anti caster ward.
We have no single image hero. Images make up for good mingames and they are quite unique compared to nukes & stuns.
We have few good junglers.
We have one summoner (or 3 with Warlock + Arachna :P)
So what we need most are counter picks and not nuke, aoe or stun.
Zephyr should be deleted.
The ingame zoom should never be changed.
And last hit assist should be banned.
Why? No one should get what I don't like.
What is wrong with you?! >Leoric is just one generic stun+nuke more.
Lion is also a very generic nuker.
I want potm sandking puck pugna BM, hell so many good heroes need to be added if this game wants to stack up to its parent, DotA.
Will there be an Invoker??? thatd be nuts!!
Nobody likes Meepo... :P
I want Storm Spirit. His ult is second to none in terms of entertainment.
I'll light the way.
I disagree that more dota heroes need to be added. You can play dota for that. It's fine that they used some dota heroes as a base for their hero pool, but what we need are heroes to replace those dota heroes that weren't added; more heroes to fill their roles, and give the game some distinction and individuality. I guarantee you I won't buy this game if its main feature is being exactly like dota, because I can play dota already.