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Sadly, if you arn't at the level where you can pretty much carry a team to victory and you prefer to play Ganker or support, your going to be gambling your psr every game. :/
I play alone or carry my tardkid friends and I'm not pro. I'm 1700 atm, and I got there simply by being patient and watching pros to copy their styles.
I feel like if you play solo in pubs, your PSR is probably going to be less than it should. If you always play with like 4-5 (maybe 3) locks/friends, it will probably be higher.
I play solo like 90-95% of the time. The friends I do play with on occasion don't play much, and aren't as good as me.
I pretty much can't get over 1500 psr (yes I'm a baddie, and can't consistently dominate mid at this level.. sometimes yes, but most of the time no). In fact, I've spent a good deal of time around 1400 and sub 1400. Yet, I often run into kids with 1550, 1580, 1600 psr on a 3-lock team that I can out play in every facet of the game. There PSR is simply higher because they've got a significantly less chance of getting a retard/feeder (or multiple ones) on there team.
And yes, my stats aren't great, and I've got like 35% EM. But my stats have been mostly better the last few weeks/months, and I hardly play any EM now. I'm also not saying I belong at 1650. I'm probably a 1500-1550 type player, but because I always solo pub I'm pretty much stuck at 1400-1500
Again, everyone in between 1400-1700 is more or less of the same skill level.Originally Posted by SB7
That simply isn't true from what I've seen. I'd agree there are some 1400s that are as good as some 1600s. But that's an exception, not the rule.
If you take every 1450 and randomly assign them to groups of 5. Then take every 1650 and randomly assign them to groups of 5. Have each 1450 team play a random 1650 team.
You're telling me, more or less, the win/loss rate for each group will be 50% ?
Pretty much. Depends on whether they are stable within the 1400-1700 range though. Someone that has only lost games so far and ended up 1450 is well on his way to 1300 or even 1200.
PSR works fine, atleast for me it does. 95% of my games i play alone and my psr stays at around 1610. I do have lots of morons as team mates, but i have just as many as enemies. If you cant hold the 1600 psr it means youre not good enough for the 1600 psr bracket.
Keep on playing.
Because you depend SO much on your teammates in this game. Yes you can sometimes one man army, but if you have teammates who are bad and feed the opponent's carries, there is no way you will be able to out carry them. Once you get below the ~1500 mark, it's like drowning, and only the strongest can pull themselves (as well as their teammates) out of the muck.
You know what my strategy was when I dropped to ~1000 PSR? Since I couldn't depend on my teammates doing anything useful at that level, I played like 10 games in a row of. I used the "own towers strategy" and just raxxed as fast as possible. Only when I was in the ~1400 range would I see some decent team play.
Alrite, I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it, but it's not like we're going to change each others mind about it. I just have yet to see anyone < 1500 be anywhere near good enough to carry themselves anywhere close to 1700.
Noone really carries himself anywhere. People often don't get the value of their teammates until those teammates really **** up in every game. It's a teamgame and the decisive factor is the amount of active braincells on compared to the other team's. There's very few games where even the best pull through on their own(this includes chu`; cuz I spotted a nice loss streak till his LOAD buddies showed up to clear the mess up).
Yes and no. It's a team game sure. But according to a lot of higher PSR ppl on these forums, if you're that good you can *easily* go solo mid and carry yourself out of this **** bracket. And according to you, 1400-1700 is same skill level.. (of course we disagree on that point still ;p) ..putting them at 1700+
Anyway, by saying "carry themselves" I did not mean they'd win every game by his/her self with 4 retarded teammates. But if you're that good, you're going to win more than you lose as long as you stay away from 3+ lock pub stomp teams. Thus eventually carrying yourself out of that bracket, because you're the big difference maker on your team every game.
P.S. We should play together sometime
i only solo pub and i maintain high 1600's/low 1700's without even being good at this game
This is a really a pointless debate, as the people stuck at low psr's will continue to blame it all on "bad luck" until they finally get to higher psr's and then they will credit it to their "high skill." People will almost always blame failures on external factors, and successes on internal factors, especially when there's no real way to "prove" otherwise. What is more likely is that is it somewhere inbetween both these things, but the difference is that "luck" evens out over time, so it is hard to believe that after 100+ games people will have had "bad" or "good" luck in general, whereas "skill" has stayed constant (for the most part).
Take it for what you will, I know that when I started playing matchmaking games at 1500 it was quite easy to "carry" a team, but now that I play with at least half decent people I have to get a team that is willing to pick wisely, work together, and execute well, if I'm going to win. I'm guessing if I was at a higher level of play ("a pro level", or whatever you want to call it), I could still carry these games with some consistency (as I see some players do), however I'm not, so now I start to feel the "luck" as a larger factor in my wins and losses.
Bottom line is if you are 1500 or so, there are LOTS of things you can improve on. You might have horrible luck, but after a decent number of games if you're a 1700 or an 1800 player you will NOT get stuck at 1500, unless you're like playing No AB games against full premades with pub teams.
also people always want to blame everyone else, why im not sure about but heres an example:
youre playing a pub and your top lane goes 0-4 vs their top lane, possible scenarios:
1. omg my team is feeding theyre so bad why do i always have bad luck
2. ah their top lane is playing well, might be time for me to help my top lane regain control
mostly everyone rather blame instead of looking back on what they could have done differently (which really is the only thing that is improving you as a player in the long run besides playing alot of games)
You must be referring to his Outmannered account during beta where he started out something like 30-0 despite playing Glacius and other non-carries.There's very few games where even the best pull through on their own(this includes chu`; cuz I spotted a nice loss streak till his LOAD buddies showed up to clear the mess up).
It's really easy to carry a bunch of bad players if you are in a similar PSR game. (AKA carry a bunch of 1300's against other 1300's).
When I'm not playing with friends these days I play with no stats to practice different heroes.
Even though it is no stats (so people might not be trying as hard as they could be) lower PSR players still do try. Every single match I have been able to carry my team against another equally matched team going mid with devourer (I'm awful at devo). It's not even like I'm trying really hard at it, it's just not that hard because lower PSR players don't understand a lot of things.
A lot of times what players find is that they are an "average" player in their games. When they have decent teammates they do well and can win games. They are players who can listen to directions well and work well with the team but might not have the best personal skill.
The problem is when you get a bad team. If you aren't a strong solo player than you probably will lose because of bad teammates and lose PSR.
Some people just need to realize that they aren't all amazing solo players who can single handedly carry games. Some people can, not all though.
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in order to win in pubs you must have either a good team or friends to play with or luck.Just like a lottery really but what can u expect, its a team game.
Other night i went 18/3 with deadwood and still lost.Really fustrating.
A good way to gain psr is to join no ab games that range from 1400-1700.Those guys have inflated and faked psr cuz they play as a team and win and its easy pickings if u have a team and if ur good u should get some good stats.Like they were 1300-1400 but got a team toghether and followed some basic guides and they got huge psr but their awareness is low to nothing aswell as what x counters x.Be sure to check stats on ur own team and if some1 has horrible stats leave cuz hell fed.Another good thing is that the balance sometimes is in their favour so u get big psr if u win and los less psr if u ..well lose.
Last edited by Victor`; 08-01-2010 at 07:16 PM.
The 1700 was an EM player, the 1450 was someone who got down from 1600 probably.
from 1413 or so, win streak to 1607, I lost few matches ofc but I play so much...
then from 1607 to 1513, now Im going up again
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