BKB (Shruken Head) is worthless.

[KARTlK]

You do know that purge would not null the magic immunity affect from bkb in dota right?

Yeah but it's electrician's ulti. Anyway, with 10 seconds it should be fine against teams with a nighthound without a nullfire (every pub game) .

[Lethe]

Yeah but it's electrician's ulti. Anyway, with 10 seconds it should be fine against teams with a nighthound without a nullfire (every pub game) .

medusa's ult has never removed magic immunity, ever. Imo this is an oversight.

[Naebdeew]

This needs to be fixed. It goes so far to actually remove the magic immunity when you get purged, it never did that in dota.

Dont u get it? This is not dota. It doesnt have to be 100% like dota is

[Stergeary]

medusa's ult has never removed magic immunity, ever. Imo this is an oversight.

Medusa's Ultimate, when it was Purge, removed spell immunity granted by Omniknight's Repel as well as for a short time N'aix's Rage spell when it was no longer his Ultimate and became based on Anti-Magic Shell instead of Avatar.

Dont u get it? This is not dota. It doesnt have to be 100% like dota is

Even though DotA isn't perfect, it is still far more balanced than any game balancing decisions made from scratch. That is why HoN has been following DotA's footsteps at all; because DotA WORKS. Reinvent the wheel, etc etc.

[[CM9]AsUka_]

should just make it like dota and make the primary effects of ults go through bkb and magic immunity

having bkb be purgable is somewhat retarded

[Lethe]

Medusa's Ultimate, when it was Purge, removed spell immunity granted by Omniknight's Repel as well as for a short time N'aix's Rage spell when it was no longer his Ultimate and became based on Anti-Magic Shell instead of Avatar.



Even though DotA isn't perfect, it is still far more balanced than any game balancing decisions made from scratch. That is why HoN has been following DotA's footsteps at all; because DotA WORKS. Reinvent the wheel, etc etc.

yea i was referring to the magic immunity offered by shrunken head sry for the confusion

[[STLI]Tupimus]

Medusa's Ultimate, when it was Purge, removed spell immunity granted by Omniknight's Repel as well as for a short time N'aix's Rage spell when it was no longer his Ultimate and became based on Anti-Magic Shell instead of Avatar.

And here we have the dude who said twice in the same post that Purge removed Anti-Magic Shell. Lawls.

Didn't know that Rage was based on A-MS, though. Cheers.

[Faba]

bkb cant be countered, so your team will eventually be pwnd by sand king...
same should follow with magmus.

ps: make shunken and you suffer no damage from magmus ult =. same situation

Ton's of ultimates and even some nonultimate spells from DoTA counter BKB.
Axe's taunt
Bane's Fiend grip
Clockwerk's Ult
Chronosphere
Blackhole
Trellen's root ult
Bashes
Batrider's net
AOE knockback from KoTL
Antimages ultimate
Lich's ultimate(has a minisleep on first target that it hits)
Pudge's Devour

I'm sure I am missing others. All of these abilities go through BKB but deal no damage.

[DeathThunder]

Prefer it this way, why should BKB have no Counter?

Ok so it gets weaker over use, but by the time you've farmed this thing after other more important items you'll only need to use it about twice (from what ive seen)

If there is a problem with that then i suggest changing Nullfire Blade to become less of a counter, and well Electrician's Ultimate is well.. Ultimate.

there are plenty of ultimates that go through shrunken head. you make it sound as when its imbaqqsauce if it's not purgeable.

[iOP1]

It Should Be Removed

[FlyWithVicky]

I think its fine to be purchable when shrunken head is active. Why u build shrunken head? Coz u want to be protected against the spells that really hurt or cancel your cahnnel. Purge does no damage... purge does nothing (usefull) at all so why not let it purge magic immunitys coz purge is no magic attack?

If there are at release about 80 heroes ingame... and 2 of them got purge (or got a skill that can disable shrunken head) .. well.. im fine with that!

Btw. ... Scout can cancel out the invis of the Assassins shroud with his wards.. thunders ulti reveals ALL invisible units for a couple of seconds... legionairres ultimate kills... and by that it means it kills EVERY Heroe below 600 HP.... and there are more examples for heroes doing things, items are useless against.

Get used to it.

what you mean is all heroes have purge in the nullfire blade with 10 charges it ... well i'm not fine with that!

[willtsay]

i.e ults should only go through SH depending whether it has a slowing/snaring effect or a stunning effect. If the ult happens to take off enemy buffs, this should not happen if they hav SH activated. "no counter to SH" AFAIK succubus ult goes through it :P if they ever port rexxar, that also should go through. Puidge/devourer ult should go through. So its not as if it doesnt have a counter per se? sure you dont get hurt by the magic, but you still get disabled. which is the big thing right?
Pharoah, if his ult cant already stun when SH is activated, it should be :P bash goes through AFAIK

Edit: crap didnt read that one post where that guy listed a ton of ults xD

u missed rexxar but np :P
afaik, ensnare goes through magic immunity, so -> Naga siren
notquitesure how meepo's earthbind works. dont know if it snares magic imunes
does wildsoul's bears entangle wark? :P
GreaterBash, Netherstrike <- unsure about netherstrike :P
netherswap AFAIK
SNIPER ULT >=D you won't deal damage but it does interrupt channeling that and he has a mini bash xP
Necroylyte's Reaper's Scythe
Hellbringer's Ult should, i don't know if it does, I know for sure that warlock's summon infernal does.
Silencer's global silence silences magic immune

i think thats everything :P

[[WTF]playtimeX]

1.41 Changelog

- Shrunken Head's Magic Immunity is no longer dispellable

/end thread

[Karmashock]

what you mean is all heroes have purge in the nullfire blade with 10 charges it ... well i'm not fine with that!

not all heroes are going to get that.


And in any case the only heroes that need it are powerful channelers and initiators.


In either case the shrunken head provides a lot of protection even with purge. Not all heroes will get it. So stun the ones that have it so that you remain magically immune.


Also, for initiators only a good team is going to be a problem for you. Most initiators can get away or do what they need to do with only a few seconds. Most good initiators portal key into a fight anyway.

[DaarkSTorM]

- Shrunken Head's Magic Immunity is no longer dispellable

thread should be closed now

[FlyWithVicky]

not all heroes are going to get that.


And in any case the only heroes that need it are powerful channelers and initiators.


In either case the shrunken head provides a lot of protection even with purge. Not all heroes will get it. So stun the ones that have it so that you remain magically immune.


Also, for initiators only a good team is going to be a problem for you. Most initiators can get away or do what they need to do with only a few seconds. Most good initiators portal key into a fight anyway.

well obviously but that's not the point .. its just the fact that it's readily available ..

[A`nub`is]

- Shrunken Head's Magic Immunity is no longer dispellable

thread should be closed now

OK, this leads to the following conclusion:

Shrunken Head is now not counterable.
Only thing that counters Shrunken Head is buying a Shrunken Head yourself on all your teammates.

Why would magic immunity make you immun to collision/movement from untargeted spells?

Examples are Pharaohs Hellfire Ministuns, his Ultimate, Movement through Zephyrs Leap, Stuns from Pyro/Torterer.

SH should only prevent targeted spells to target you and make you immun to magic dmg. Everything that moves you or alters the environment must work on SH-users.

Magmus for e.g. with Shrunken can only be countered if your whole team has Shrunken as well ... that is really pathetic.

[Korpus]

OK, this leads to the following conclusion:

Shrunken Head is now not counterable.
Only thing that counters Shrunken Head is buying a Shrunken Head yourself on all your teammates.

Why would magic immunity make you immun to collision/movement from untargeted spells?

Examples are Pharaohs Hellfire Ministuns, his Ultimate, Movement through Zephyrs Leap, Stuns from Pyro/Torterer.

SH should only prevent targeted spells to target you and make you immun to magic dmg. Everything that moves you or alters the environment must work on SH-users.

Magmus for e.g. with Shrunken can only be countered if your whole team has Shrunken as well ... that is really pathetic.

Don't have your entire team stand grouped together. Wow, that was hard.

[elevator13]

Magmus for e.g. with Shrunken can only be countered if your whole team has Shrunken as well ... that is really pathetic.

Oh no, now I have to run away for 1 second or use any form of stun on Magmus to waste his ulti.

[A`nub`is]

You can't stun him? Maybe I shouldn't have named an example, b/c now everyone thinks he has to accuse me of qq due to having bean beaten my Magmus hard (I actually know how to spell him unlike real QQs).

THERE IS NO counter for Shrunken Head. Splitting up yourself into several pieces and then spreading is also not a counter/option. It's not about aoe-team-rapes.
There just is NO counter to it.

Tempest stun will be debuffed when SH is activated, Pharaoh Hellfire won't hit him, his Ultimate will not hit him. Krakens/Zephyrs forced movement spells won't move him/won't cancel his channeling. ONLY Devourers Hook actually works through SH.