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I'm trying to improve in hopes of getting myself to a point where I'm competent enough to play competitively before trying to hop on a good team.
I been playin dota for about a year i guess, but other than playin a few games with a friend or two i mostly Pub, so I'm looking for things I can do to practice or guage myself on how close i am.
Anyone mind tossing a few words of advice of their experience(if youve played competitively) or anything else?
If you play apem you aren't good.
When searching for a pub game, set your filters to no leavers, no em, single draft, noobs allowed. Then, keep playing game after game like that and eventually you'll learn about every hero and how things work.
The first step is to play non -EM games. There isn't really any quantitative measure of 'good enough'. You could ask someone you know with competitive experience to play with you and give you tips or rate your performance. You should know every hero, and all of their abilities as well as common builds on them. If you are able to maintain a 1:1 k:d ratio or higher and find yourself being a contributing member to consistently winning teams, you may consider trying out for a competitive team.
RD is better, because it teaches you how to pick.Originally Posted by Shadey
[1:48:23 PM] Bdiz: sometimes i have a burning desire to make out with dudes
[1:48:38 PM] TJ \ Sai: yeah that doesnt surprise me
[1:48:38 PM] Bdiz: wanna play lol and mb kiss a little? x)
I think you guys mis-understood me. I posted it here because I meant I was already beyond a "beginner". I know all the heros, the items, most of the builds that go with them.
I don't play -em games, don't even know why anyone plays em. Anyone smart enough to pick a pusher won the game before it even started.
Are u frustrated because everything you try in team combination fails? Do you think the people you play with are noob? Do you think you actually did a really good job even though you lost?
If yes you got 2 options:
1. You are one of those ragenerds that don't know english and manage to say "team is very nob" and ruining the game theirselves.
2. You are too good for the rating you are on and you need to find some friends / a clan for better games.
To anser yer kwestion, I are stupid and close minded, I luv dem 12 monkeys. My faverite movie pert'near! Akord'n to yer dum-dum logic, since I luvs dis here movie and I are stupid and close minded, and you luvs dis movie too, that makes you stupid and close minded like me! Welkum to da club, booboo!
If you know how to coordinate with your team, you're good, and your team is good.
Generally what you want is to keep yourself open to suggestion, and really take in what information you can.
Most of the things you taught yourself how to do in HoN or DotA to get you where you are - will probably be the wrong way to do it should you play higher level games, be ready to face this and not get all pissy when someone tells you you're doing something wrong.
Hmm, I kinda have the same mindset as you do.I'm not sure if I'm good enough yet for the competitive thing, but I think I'm at my limit at what I can learn from pubbing. I don't think PSR means much at all, just that for a few games someone had 4 people on their team that weren't retards so I don't know how else to judge myself.
I pub most of the time and its getting me pretty frustrated. Its because I play with expectations, like if im in a lane with someone and run up and use a disable, I expect them to assist and follow up with theirs. In pubs that isn't the case, almost 95% of the time if i disable an enemy hero in lane my lane mate is runnin back to the tower.
I play with a friend or two from time to time, and when that happens we will usually win every game we play together for most of the nite. I think no amount of knowledge or skill can compete with a group of people who play together and know what each other will do in a situation.
So I'm still tryin to find a group of skilled people who work well and are fun to play with so we can play other like people instead of pubstomp. Cuz seriously.. I think 2-3 good players could have AI for teammates and still do well against an "above-average" pub (ie. not brain dead)
Improve.
not sure what you're talking about... probably ever single time I disable, the partner with me helps out. I even used to harass people with disables in the past, but stopped because every time my teammate would think I'm attacking and run in and probably die. I think you just need communication, or even without talking, you can sometimes tell when your friend is ready to attack with you or not (e.g. he's staying close in fighting and not far away standing).
offtopic: this HONAGE thing needs to be updated abit...
Last edited by Shadey; 08-22-2009 at 08:45 PM.
Im soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of losing 5 consecutive games this night only because your "teammates" doesnt know what means a team, and the madman of the other team who also doesnt know what is a team hunts them all 1 by 1.
¿When do you know you are good enough?, never, you and all people will always be a **** like me. But found a team, a clan. That can be good cause the only thing that can be good are teams and not players. Players can only be leavers, feeders, people who thinks are pros cause killed a noob feeder, conceders, or cryiers (like me).
Time is the best master, sadly it kills all his disciples in the end.
Anybody else find this slightly ironic at all?
See I'm the first one to class and last to leave. I mean, the first one to leave outta class, believe. :3
Improving takes a lot of time and dedication, espeically for a game as complex as HoN. Here's my advice:
Despite the complaints you read on the forums, the PSR system is mostly working well. Make a high-PSR friend (or anyone you know you consider better than yourself) and practice coordinating with them in games. In general, you want to play games with the most skilled people that will let you play with them. If you're PSR 1400, player 1400+ games - if your PSR is 1600, play 1600+ games, etc. You will learn the most from these games, even if you lose. Pay attention to what higher-PSR players do: how they move, what items they buy, and what strategies they use.
The road to improvement in HoN means you'll to have to endure a lot of put-downs and trash talking, even from your team-mates. Try not to let it get to you. As long as you're learning from your mistakes, a loss isn't really a loss.
Read threads like this and listen to the people who know what they're talking about. If you don't know who knows what they're talking about, most serious competitive players will have PSRs of 1900+. A lot of other people also have a good understanding of balance but until you start to pick up on it it'll be hard to know whose advice to take. Use sites like this to look up other player's PSRs. Some higher level strats may not work in lower level pub games, but the sooner you start learning the metagame the better off you'll be.
Play RD. Skilled players tend to prefer RD because there's more variety than normal pick and less randomness than sd (you can always get a viable team). With the information you learn from the above sorts of threads you'll know who to pick and why. Read high-rated strategy guides for these characters in the forums. Talk with your friend and choose pairs that work together.
Rofl for someone ranting about english skills he totally failed grasping this thread.
If my teammates like my playing style, then i think im good enough.
I also would like to ask for advice here:
I played DotA for 7+ years and was around medium skill, but I am still a noob in HoN after 150+ games. It seems that I can't transfer my individual skill to HoN because even pubs are played quite differently. I have an aggressive style which served well in DotA but it does not work in HoN. I was expecting that aggressiveness would be even better in HoN, but that is not the case. Majority of the players are from passive to ultra-passive.
Can anyone give an advice - how to adjust? I don't want to change my personal style if there is some other method.
I believe it's possible to be pretty good being aggressive if you have someone supporting/disabling for you.
There was this one game I joined, I picked Kraken. I was never really good with kraken or got alot of kills with him before. However, my lane partner was an extremely aggressive glacius who kept consistently attacking and disabling the 2 melee heroes against us and made it extremely easy for me to get the kills off them. I ended up with like 9 kills before the 20 min mark. The game ended in 30 mins =)
-pulling creeps dont hang around near enemy tower hero coming back from pulling might backstab u
-map awareness ur whole team pushing mid and 2 enemy heroes only in mid they cant be hanging around mid unless thier team mates hiding waiting for engagement
-dont dive to kill one creep on low hp could cost u a death wait for the next creep wave
see alot of people fail to get that idea
Last edited by khroniC; 08-25-2009 at 12:08 AM.
U wanna step up your game... best strategy... when you play with a player that is good has good synergy or he does really well and not by just luck, or buys observer wards... add him as a buddy and stalk himfollow him to every game and try to be on his team... odds are he has good friends that he plays with. add every good player to buddy list so you have about 40 and follow around... never play games alone and youll improve alot. having good support base allows you to do more than just carry youll learn to play good support ect!
Also youll be alot less frustrated and will learn to play better... also its a good idea to tell them and make sure they are ok with it :P
Last edited by Skarstruck; 08-25-2009 at 12:12 AM.
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