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    Mechanic question, not sure if I'm right.

    Ok so I just wanted to double check something

    Predator's 3rd ability, Carnivorous stacks with Abyssal Skull and using a Hack does not double over on anything, correct?

    Forgive me if it's been posted, search didn't pop anything up.

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    Carnivorous isnt even a Attack Modifier, so yes they all stack.

    1 is a passive.
    1 is an Aura.
    1 is a Modifier.

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    Ok that's what I was thought, thanks for the help.

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    look at the stick general and attack modifiers at the top of the forums it will explain every thing.

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    Can you get an actual Life Stealing item on top of the items the OP listed? Abyssal Skull, Hack, Carnivorous and say a Mask of Madness (Sorry, don't know HoN name).

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    http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=2044
    Carnivorous is not an exclusive modifier so it stacks with every thing. Abyssal skull is an aura and thus not an exclusive modifier so it stacks with every thing. Hack is an exclusive modifier and does not stack with other items that do the same thing as hack (hack will not stack with hack or with hack and slash). Mask of Madness aka elder parasite is an exclusive modifier of the type lifestealing so it does not stack with other exclusive modifiers of the type lifestealing.

    You can have Carnivorous, Elder Parasite, Abyssal Skull, and Hack and you will have all of the effects that the items give you all at once.

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    You have orbs, which create an icon over your minimap. Skadi and deso are the only two item orbs in the game.

    Exclusive mods will not stack with eachother. Which means if you have chain lightning, getting another thunderclaw will not increase the chance by any amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drasha View Post
    look at the stick general and attack modifiers at the top of the forums it will explain every thing.
    Ya I checked it out, just wanted to double check I had it right.

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    An interesting fact to note about Predator is that Whispering Helm, Abyssal Skull, and Carnivorous all stack with each other because as stated above, one is passive, one is a modifier, and the other is an aura. Now, if you throw a Hack into the equation now you have two modifier competing with each other. I think it's necessary to clarify that the strongest modifier (if you have more than one) always overwrites the others. So if you're in a fight you will leech life with Whispering Helm until Hack's maim procs. For that one attack in which Maim proc'd you will not receive the 17% life steal from Whispering Helm (but will still receive the life steal from Abyssal Skull and Carnivorous).

    Edit: This is exactly what Drasha said just a little more in-depth for more clarity.

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    no it isnt.. drasha was right. you will still get the 17% when you maim. what he is saying is the TYPE of attack mod won't stack 2 hacks will not increase your chance to maim 2 wispering helms will not double your lifestealling but they do not affect each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skotty View Post
    An interesting fact to note about Predator is that Whispering Helm, Abyssal Skull, and Carnivorous all stack with each other because as stated above, one is passive, one is a modifier, and the other is an aura. Now, if you throw a Hack into the equation now you have two modifier competing with each other. I think it's necessary to clarify that the strongest modifier (if you have more than one) always overwrites the others. So if you're in a fight you will leech life with Whispering Helm until Hack's maim procs. For that one attack in which Maim proc'd you will not receive the 17% life steal from Whispering Helm (but will still receive the life steal from Abyssal Skull and Carnivorous).

    Edit: This is exactly what Drasha said just a little more in-depth for more clarity.
    No what i said was correct what your saying is wrong i suggest you read my post as well since you are still playing by dota rules and are at a disadvantage. You can have an attack where you get a lightning proc a stun proc a maim proc life stealing and mana burn all at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skotty View Post
    An interesting fact to note about Predator is that Whispering Helm, Abyssal Skull, and Carnivorous all stack with each other because as stated above, one is passive, one is a modifier, and the other is an aura. Now, if you throw a Hack into the equation now you have two modifier competing with each other. I think it's necessary to clarify that the strongest modifier (if you have more than one) always overwrites the others. So if you're in a fight you will leech life with Whispering Helm until Hack's maim procs. For that one attack in which Maim proc'd you will not receive the 17% life steal from Whispering Helm (but will still receive the life steal from Abyssal Skull and Carnivorous).

    Edit: This is exactly what Drasha said just a little more in-depth for more clarity.
    This is wrong. In DotA, modifiers stack with other modifiers just not with modifier's of themself. For example, 2x whispering helms or 2x hacks would provide no bonus but one of each would give you BOTH effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SockCucker View Post
    Can you get an actual Life Stealing item on top of the items the OP listed? Abyssal Skull, Hack, Carnivorous and say a Mask of Madness (Sorry, don't know HoN name).
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorify View Post
    This is wrong. In DotA, modifiers stack with other modifiers just not with modifier's of themself. For example, 2x whispering helms or 2x hacks would provide no bonus but one of each would give you BOTH effects.
    Erm. I think you mean in HoN.

    Soz for the double post.

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