Yes, system needs a change
No, system is fine the way it is
I know most of the players have been on both sides of this at one point or another so it seems logical to address it. Team is getting slammed and wants to concede but that 5th guy is being a jerk and won't vote yes. You try to vote-kick him but the other team is having to much fun padding their stats and killing you guys to kick him so they don't. We've all been there. Well anyways here's my way I think we could maybe help fix this some.
15 mins - 5/5 to be able to concede.
There's no changing this one matches can be turned around still sometimes this early, everyone on the team needs to vote yes to concede.
30 mins - 4/5 to be able to concede.
At this point in the match most of the time you know which way the match is heading, if team is getting slammed you don't have to worry if one person wants to be a jerk and keep the pain going. 4 votes at this point is plenty to be able to concede.
60+ mins - 3/5 to be able to concede.
This one might be a little bit of stretch, seeing there aren't a lot of hour+ games anymore, (at least that I see) but I thought I'd throw in there just so that if by some reason you have a pair of friends or something that won't concede, after an hour long games if the majority wants to concede 3/5 is not unreasonable.
Anyways that's just my thought on this as a way to overall improve gameplay and take out a common headache in the game.
Last edited by Scive; 06-11-2010 at 04:55 PM.
It's a GREAT idea, but S2 is too stubborn to give the players what they want.
Seriously I even don't like the Vote kick system, because a lot of people without any notion of game (and its a lot), always try to concede if the game seens to be lost or if the Score of the other team is higher.
This will only make the game stupid for players who stay until the end, hoping a victory, even if the game seems already lost, and most of the cases its not (but all a noob do is cry and try to concede, because they think they are losing time in a lost game).
A lot of games that all my team wants to concede and I do not let, we win in the end. This will finish with great games. Every game that seems lost will end with "concede".
So I not agree
I agree completely but what I think needs a better fix is simply the votekick system. If you have one person screwing up the game and you want to kick them, you can't. I think everyone has run into this situation. My most recent one was with a Pebbles who I honestly think was a plant on our team. He was never killed and never got any kills, however he would continuously and purposefully toss teammates into enemies to get us killed and ruin the game. On top of that, we could not concede and the other team would not push and win the game. In the end I had to take a leave because I was tired of sitting there getting tossed into enemies and not being able to play. I have previously suggested a quick kick setting where kicks require only a unanimous single team vote (minus the individual being kicked) rather than what the current system asks for. And if you think about it, its even worse because you need more votes from the opposing team than your own team to kick someone! Anyways, again, I support anything that helps though I think a quick kick mode would be a vastly more popular idea.
Stopped reading atI hate losers who do this.You try to vote-kick him
People give up way too easy in this game.
I've had a game that all 5 of us thought it was over and we still won.
I'm not about to play a 60 minute game for 3 noobs on my team to concede.
Happens enough as it is.
I think the concede functionality definitely needs a change. The 3/5 is too much though, but 4/5 after X amount of minutes sounds like a very nice compromise between the 4/5 camp and the 'never concede' camp.
After 30min 4/5 concede would sound reasonable to me. If the 'never concede' people hate it that much, they could simply play with a friend to prevent this from ever happening to them. The 4/5 people however, would need to play with a full team of friends to circumvent the current concede functionality.
SOMETHING needs to be done about it, or the non-selfish people will probably move on to different games where they aren't forced to sit out another 60min because of one prick.
4/5 vote after some amount of time seems like a great idea, and it helps prevent the one stubborn/mad guy from trolling the game. The 3/5 requirement is too small though.
Worst idea ever!
So after 60 min you are thinking, this game over let's concede. Still, the basetower are not pushed. But three ppl think, my KD is going worser and worser ==> vote YES. Conclusion: The game is lost because of a three men show .
If you played 60 min or more, you never conceed only when the opposite team is just turtling!
Some people don't have the experience, and whining from MIN 3 lets concede. Still, the have great chance to win the game, if they did their job and don't die all the time. If you are support do your job buy wards, support your team, stop KS, initiate!,....
The conceding system of dota-league was mcuh better (S2 look at this plz).
I say 4/5 is enough. Time doesn't matter. But... yes. System change in this matter would be a nice time saviour.
Yes it needs to be changed, although I don't think this is the right way to go about it. It may fix a problem, but it will cause another.