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Static grip going through Shrunken head and repel and or any other ability that makes you magic immune is quite frankly ridiculous. He has fiends grip as a regular ability. Needs some looking at TBH
Most ultimate spells do go through regular spells like Shrunken Head and Charm. This is how it's always been in DOTA too..
Eletrician is fine, cleansing shock would be completly worthless if it didn't work against BKB.
Notice a majority of the balance discussions calling imba are about HoN created heroes and poor DotA ports.
Electrician doesn't even need a discussion, if old Medusa had Fiend's Grip as a regular low CD skill, no one would even bother to argue either.
Seriously, HoN, who creates these heroes? Why don't you go ahead and give us Astral Trekker? Might as well right?
Static Grip isn't an ult. Oh, you also didn't mention that it costs almost no mana, has a short cooldown, and does AoE damage.
No, actually. You can't Amp Damage a Charmed unit in HoN. But for some reason you can Electrician grip him. Good job S2.Originally Posted by Lyte
I said "most."
Purge (on Medusa) went through a lot of things like Omniknight's Repel too.
Enigma's Black Hole, and Tree's Root also went through BKB in DOTA.
Purge > All Defensive Magic.
Thats how it should be, stfu, deal with it, and l2p.
It either costs mana, and does AoE damage
or
costs almost no mana and does almost no AoE damage.
Know what I'm trying to say here?
Duh. However in DotA, all targeted ultimates can still target magic immune units, both Avatar and Repel. In addition, all Net-based and Entangle-based skills work through Repel and Avatar.
Obviously AoE disables like Black Hole work through Repel. However, S2 failed to code in targeted ultimates ALWAYS being able to click through these units because it's hardcoded in the Warcraft Engine that way and is a major balancing factor of Repel.
Targeted ultimates can be thrown at magic-immunes targets but dont damage them, I dont see the issue there.
OT, static grip is fairly easy to cancel, learn to do it.
Because the only thing targeted ultimates do is magic damage amirite?
In fact, the only heroes who's targeted ultimates Repel and Avatar render completely ineffective are Sniper, Lina, Lion, BS, Furion (only against that hero), and Pugna.
Here are the DotA heroes with targetable ultimates that are still effective through Repel and BKB:
Clockwerk
Atropos
Axe
Huskar
Doom
Spiritbreaker
Pudge
Slardar
Antimage
Jugg
Gondar
Morph
TerrorBlade
Vengeful
Viper
Enchantress
Batrider
Lich
Necro
Windrunner
Now if Repel and Avatar didn't allow any of these hero's ultimates to target them, can you honestly say that wouldn't make the skills OP?
I'm pretty sure, when you were typing your response the only thing you thought of was omg lolz lina ult blockz. Please, think before you respond.
To be honest, I misread your post and thought you said that in HoN targeted ultimates could go through BkB.
With that said, I still dont understand how you prove your point at all.
First off you are mad that grip goes through BkB, and then you prove your point by saying that in HoN its not all targeted ultimates that can hit BkB ?!? wtf.. 2 totally different issues.
Last edited by TurpinoS; 08-20-2009 at 03:46 PM.
It's simple:
In DotA, Repel and Avatar do not prevent targeted ultimates from targeting said unit.
In HoN, Charm and Shrunken Head do prevent targeted ultimates from targeting said unit, while not preventing regular skills like Grip.
Conclusion, charm and Shrunken Head are poorly ported from DotA and more powerful than they should be because Icefrog designed the durations around DotA mechanics.
fixed
My question now : Yes, charm and Shrunken Head are poorly ported from Dota and more powerful ...blablalbla..
WHAT THE **** DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH STATIC GRIP ? I know its an non-ultimate spell, but what you just showed doesnt prove **** towards the fact that Static Grip is overpowered because it goes through BKB.
OFC. I never said static grip wasn't imba. To be fair, it's not the skill that's really imbalanced. Because look rhasta shackles.
Rhasta has approx the same skill except it's balanced for Rhasta because his movespeed and str gain are crap. He can get it off in an initiation if he buys phase boots, but then that hurts his hp, making it easy for the other team to focus him. Electrician has a tanking skill in mana shield, in addition to a better str gain, AND better movespeed. putting rhasta shackles on a fast tank is too strong.
Lets quote you here, you maybe didnt say its imba, but you still talked as if it was a problem that it went through BkB (meaning its too strong)
I forgot that Electrician had one the best pushing ultimates of the game and a hex (which is considered one of the strongest skills in the game)
except rhasta shackles dont go through bkb and repel :/ they need to fix this ~_~ and or lower the duration of static grip so it does not last as long
oh btw, you can't stun electrician off of his grip. So, if you're gonna be stunned by his huge range and permanent 4.75 stun... you better hope your teammates can do without you.
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