claiming a right is mostly a question of power. it's not about who is morally right, as that notion is a bit of a fiction created by power, when it comes to property claims anyway.
in any case...
the problem here is that people who would want to sponsor tournaments would be discouraged from doing so in the future given that they can expect sites like gr to profit from their tournament with no return. to generalize the problem. "competitive hon" peddles high level games. to do that they need to control the access to the sought after games.
this affects casting sites more than tournament sponsors. but here we are talking about an exclusive deal between a tournament and a casting site. this situation just shows how little power the tourney sponsor and organizer has over their own tournament because of the wild west ways of casting sites and the porous replay system.
someone brought up professional sc and replays. it is no coincidence that the sc industry controls replays, especially tournament replays with an iron grip. if they lose that grip, they would not exist.
replays should have a 2 day downloading delay (not for the players/observers.)
i like a few of the Honcast casters but they seem really amateur at best. A lot of the times they will say things like "I don't know how that happened." or "wow I just missed that kill". I think what makes a good caster is someone who is very experienced at the game and has a good strong voice. Breakycpk is the only notable caster on HC and hes still fairly new.
Stop trying to scare the community into submission with empty threats. In fact, I'm calling your bluff. Pull your money a day before the official release.
In all seriousness, there's nothing to gain by going against a potential sponsor's wishes and everything to lose. GR probably lost any chance they had at live streaming any future NEVA tournament games, and if NEVA decides to take their ball and go home everyone in the HoN community loses. The difference between the GR tournament and the NEVA tournament is clear: S2 sponsored GR because no matter who casted it, HoN was promoted as a sport, whereas NEVA has a specific agreement with Honcast and when GR takes their viewers they actually lose.
Did gr stream at the same time as the guys at honcast?
^O no, Vievi smurf proving my point.^
If neva takes their ball there are others that will come. But like I said, you wont stop any tournament. It was a bluff.
I don't know any of the GR people nor am I speaking for them. Don't hold anything I say against them. I just realize what a D-Bag you are and I couldn't take it anymore.
If S2 puts restrictions on downloading replays, it will not be a direct result of GR, because this practice was observed before, the VoDs appear the day after, and will hopefully have all the correct links in them.
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Like I said, others will come. And with $40,000 tourneys.
Actually we got permission from GR to cast thier previous tournaments from replays. As we let them cast the honcast (honcast 1k tourney) events from replays.
Also Honcast has coverage taken care of for MYM, Alienware Arena (announcement coming this weekend), NEVA, ECO-League, and of course the Gosugamers/Steel series World Cup. We love working with companies willing to promote HoN as an eSport and grow together, GR is nothing different, we would love to help you guys out. I just want to keep our tournament sponsors happy and i would expect the good people at GR to respect the wishes of other organizations helping HoN grow. Anyways, We will be casting live and posting VoD up like always. So with that said, I don't think This is something to be really made too much out of. GR have been asked nicely not to cover the matches for 5 days and there's nothing we can do to stop it, but it does leave a sour taste for organizations and the community who have to see it. Not sure if there is anything S2 plans to do with replay control for the larger tournaments, but Honcast is the largest community for HoN eSports news and coverage, and I plan on keeping it that way!
I'm sure this was a missunderstanding and GR will comply to the tournament sponsors wishes.
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@Hunter: I'm going to resend the email in case they "overlooked it".
I don't think you really understand the fact that anybody can cast any replay of any match without anybody's 'permission'. And TBH, I hope GR does cast the above-mentioned tournaments because frankly, they're better (unless Rabbi is paired up with Breaky).Actually we got permission from GR to cast thier previous tournaments from replays. As we let them cast the honcast (honcast 1k tourney) events from replays.
lol you guys are children.
Replays are replays. They're not 'property' of anyone. rofl.
Originally Posted by ChinaOriginally Posted by Von_Moltke
I think you should read what HunteR has said rather than jump to a reply. He wants to keep the HoN community / casts growing, of course he wants to keep the people that pay for the tournaments happy and he said there's not much they can do to stop the casts other than asking. He never claimed to own them.
Anyway the point is, NEVA should realise that the replays aren't their property.
And Vievi is unfair to slam GR for doing it because essentially, honcast did it first.