Nullifying blade & Malphas

[SkyneT]

Diffusal blade was a huge part of countering Warlock in dota.

Please make it able to purge malphas pl0x. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[MechE_]

Doubt they're going to do this. Yes, it was a big part of countering Warlock, but it was overpowered. I think what would work better is to nerf Malphas stats a bit, or nerf the rest of Hellbringer's skills just a bit to compensate. As it is right now, Hellbringer is picked or banned in 90% of clan war games - primarily because of his ultimate.

[MechE_]

I really have never seen anyone bother with hellbringer in IH games or even decent games.

As it is right now, Hellbringer is picked or banned in 90% of clan war games - primarily because of his ultimate.

Don't mean to quote myself, but... This.

If you disagree, then who are you playing? I want to go stomp that team a couple times.

[Durrett]

well the purge only has soo many charges and the the stun is what i mostly use his ulti for anyway.

and how many charges does it have 5 or 10 i forget but with refresher on Hellbringer/warlock 5-10 charges is nothing only 2.5-5 cast of the ulti with refresher.

then if they wanna do it again any more they need to pony up the cash for diffusal

[MechE_]

well the purge only has soo many charges and the the stun is what i mostly use his ulti for anyway.

and how many charges does it have 5 or 10 i forget but with refresher on Hellbringer/warlock 5-10 charges is nothing only 2.5-5 cast of the ulti with refresher.

then if they wanna do it again any more they need to pony up the cash for diffusal

It has 10 charges. That's enough to take Malphas out of the game for about 20 minutes against a Hellbringer without a refresher - and you can usually get a Nullfire blade about 20 minutes before he gets a refresher. Not to mention that you get 50/100/150 gold each time you kill Malphas - that's probably about 1,000 gold that your carry is going to get just for being in a team battle and purging Malphas. Sure, there is still the slight stun - what, 1 second? That is HARDLY worth an ultimate itself.

I personally feel that Hellbringer is a bit stronger than the rest of the heroes, and I could see a bit of a nerf coming his way, but I think Nullfire purging Malphas away is a bit too hard of a nerf, it would make him very underpowered.

[Durrett]

if you farm well you can get a refresher in dota by lvl 11 if you rush straight to it. most likely if he has a diffusal which he prolly wont since he wants to get his other starting items first you should be good for a few minutes.

but to support this you need to go shadow word pain then stats then ulti then stats so you have the mana to do it all. so it does limit you a bit and a 1 second stun means all the world in a group battle. magnus might not get his ulti off tempest blackhole might get inturrupted same with deathward.

it can mean allot like much in this game its about timing.

[SkyneT]

It's a basic strategy of dota. And HoN = dota regardless of how you look at it.
plus hellbringer is imbalanced anyway. im sure it wont hurt to make malphas killable by one charge of nullify.

[[S2]Idejder]

Do you remember how much life Malphas has (at the different levels)?

Summons Malphas. Malphas has 900 / 1200 / 1500 Health

I figured that a Nullfire charge would/should take away like 2/3 of his life in one blast.

[weeD`SuFFo]

I figured that a Nullfire charge would/should take away like 2/3 of his life in one blast.

This is the most reasonable suggestion so far, i think that hellbringer is really strong, but killing malphas with 1 charge of difusal isn't the kind of nerf that he needs, that's just too overpowered when u have 10 charges. I guess that's like 1500 gold if u eat a malphas with every charge, right? t_T

[Shugo_akakak]

If Hellbringer needs nerfed, it's his AOE life void skill. Either make it absorb only 25% of damage or keep the 50% but single-target. Even with only 2 levels in it, he has nearly-constant regen during creep waves.

[[ZA]Techies]

Nah nullfire one shot kill would be gay. A very cheap counter...

[Feroc1ty]

Cheap counter? It's quite expensive for a single spell, 3.25k for 10 malphases.

[SkyneT]

All these ppl who havent played dota just hurt my brain zzzzzzzzzz

[Revolution3]

All these ppl who havent played dota just hurt my brain zzzzzzzzzz

it baffles me that people want to keep all of dota's flaws aswell

[SkyneT]

it baffles me that people want to keep all of dota's flaws aswell

it wasnt a flaw.... it was part of the game structuring.

[Ales1]

or you can simply make it do a set amount of damage, like 600 to summoned units like most things did in dota

[[BETA]Euphoria]

Malphas is hurt by just about everything else. Casks stun him for 5 seconds, etc. I really have never seen anyone bother with hellbringer in IH games or even decent games. Sure you have an ulti and the magic debuff, but he can't babysit and his animation sucks. Much better gankers considering the huge animation on his ultimate and lack of damage.

[[CGF]Lyte]

Malphas is hurt by just about everything else. Casks stun him for 5 seconds, etc. I really have never seen anyone bother with hellbringer in IH games or even decent games. Sure you have an ulti and the magic debuff, but he can't babysit and his animation sucks. Much better gankers considering the huge animation on his ultimate and lack of damage.

No offense but I've seen Hellbringer in a vast majority of bans and scrims. Not sure who you are playing..

[RHS]

I really have never seen anyone bother with hellbringer in IH games or even decent games.

WHAT? Do you play in IH games or even decent games? He is either picked or banned, period.

Purge killed Warlock's ultimate in DotA and nobody complained. What makes everybody here opposed to this smarter than years of DotA changes, updates, balances, and tweaks, and smarter than their entire community? Nullfire blade is a VERY expensive counter... let alone it just being for ONE spell.

[Drasha]

WHAT? Do you play in IH games or even decent games? He is either picked or banned, period.

Purge killed Warlock's ultimate in DotA and nobody complained. What makes everybody here opposed to this smarter than years of DotA changes, updates, balances, and tweaks, and smarter than their entire community? Nullfire blade is a VERY expensive counter... let alone it just being for ONE spell.

Because it was that way in dota is not a valid argument. Nullfire blade is a cheap counter you get around 100 gold for killing a malphas and you have 10 charges so if you use each charge to kill a malphas you just got 1000 gold of a 3300 gold item. You also removed the hellbringers ult from the game for a total of 27 minutes if he used it each time it was of cooldown. Letting a nullfire blade kill malphas is crazy over powered.