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this line is a pure roflmaoOriginally Posted by YawningAngel
"Why didn't you give us feedback?", I'm sorry if it was our duty to give legitimate feedback then expect the obvious flaws in GR to be fixed, the same flaws that cause so much issues almost every semi-finals/finals, the same flaws that could only be unattended for months if you guys "assumed" the fault to be on player-side - vague server rules, behavior of certain staff members, extremely slow setting up 5~7 staff members in the game which takes well over 20 min at times. If these issues get ignored so bluntly, issues that could directly influence the performance of players, issues that have come up every single GR tournament, I'm not going to bother giving "feedback".
You're kidding, right?
If you had it like me and I was in your shoes I'd probably hate on me too.
Nope. Youtube's player offers comparable quality and we don't have to pay for it. I can't claim to be representative in this regard, since I run the Chromium dev build, but Honcast's player doesn't work as well as Youtube for me.
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Delete this post please, double post -_-
Last edited by YawningAngel; 04-25-2010 at 10:48 AM.
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The player? Or the stream?
Some people can't watch the streams via RTMP because of the bandwidth requirements.
The player has nothing to do with that.
We use a flash player because it is industry standard. HTML5 is still a ways off. We could use silverlight if we wanted to, but ad networks seem to stick with flash.
Last edited by brandonbelew; 04-25-2010 at 11:11 AM.
Not really, Honcast could easily put out a 1080p HD stream - but given that a fair chunk of users have issues streaming 1.2MBIT @ 720p, we're weighing up our options.GR actually made a very smart move with the Youtube player, it's much better and way better quality than what Honcast has. You can't beat the quality of html5 HD casts(It's seriously impossible at the current stage of flash based video players)
But on a serious note.. TLSHADOW TYPECAST>H0NS&OBI>HONCAST=GR
Further to this, at the end of the day - I'm sure one of the reasons that Honcast uses our platform is so they have a contractual agreement, and aren't forced to rely on a free ad-supported (which is a loss of revenue) option that could be taken away from them at any time.
So before you pull this through please consider hiring more/better shoutcasters, maybe 1-2 from GR (Chapy etc).
I mean, nothing against breaky I love his casts but the other guys (zander xander and phil and what they are called) have bad mics and are, for me personally, really annoying to listen to. Breaky does better play-by-play than they could ever dream of doing and in the end they are just bad kids that don't know jack about this game.
Loved Kaution cast (it reads like he left), loving rabbi cast even though he talks way to much, Ympulse guy seems good aswell. But the others? Oh well.
Please expand your staff if you are really aiming for everyday new coverage
No offense to GR, but I find the current casting team from Honcast to be superior to Chapy and co - however, this is just my personal opinion.
The few times I've listened to a GR cast, I've really not been impressed with what's been said. Maybe I've been unlucky a few times though.
The thing is, I personally like to have strategic insight. Other games I follow, pros cast the games because they know what they are talking about.
Breaky is a great shoutcaster and really puts effort into his casting, everyone can see that. But the others are kinda like weaker copies, they try to immitate his play by play but can't keep up with the action and don't give any sort of intelligent strategic insight whatsoever.
I remember games with new metagame/szene bans being used for around a week and one of the zander/xander/whatever guys being like "WEIRD BAN CHOICE NEVER SEEN THAT" or something similar.
I don't know, it just annoys me.
I would answer you, but I myself am not sure whether to take you seriously or not. Go get dual certification, a degree in computer engineering, and a software design corporate position and let's talk about flash based applications THANKS <3
On a side note, I don't like this tourney already, half of the staff says it starts today, the other half says it starts next week. GG
TLSHadow
Okay.
You're kidding, right?
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It seems he hasn't actually checked out a Honcast stream. The platform supports higher quality than Youtube, however it's intentionally kept "low" (1.2MBIT / 720p) in order to support viewers with slower connections.
HTML5 still isn't fully supported, so going "omg youtube html5" is hardly constructive.
At the end of the day, from a business point of view - most businesses would go with a platform that they have some form of control over, and some form of contractual agreement with. On the Youtube platform, you're completely at their mercy. Honcast are free to do what they want, and can innovate and adapt as necessary.
Multi-bitrate streams are currently in the works, as are high definition 1080p streams. Further to this, we've got support for the iPhone (the Cupertino protocol in general) and more coming - along with a lot more things that Honcast would be incapable of doing if they were limited to Youtube.
Further to this, the same platform allows for live streaming at any quality - something Youtube does not allow, and it does not have the restrictions that JTV and Livestream place. Honcast currently has transit to support 1706 viewers simultaneously (live) on a 1.2MBIT stream, and we've added burst capability in place to triple this figure if necessary. As recently shown by GR on Livestream lately, Livestream really starts to fail once you hit the 1200 mark.
I like youtube because I can't watch any Honcast shoutcasts without having to pause and wait ages anymore (not even second stream working good for me) since they went from Justin.tv to whatever they are using now.
It would be great if HCT VoDs could be either downloaded or be put up on youtube as well since I don't think I'm the only one facing those problems
GR could also do a 1080p HD stream, but we don't because it makes text illegible. Do you have a similar issue if you try it?Not really, Honcast could easily put out a 1080p HD stream - but given that a fair chunk of users have issues streaming 1.2MBIT @ 720p, we're weighing up our options.
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Nope, doing tests on a machine with a native 1920x1080 resolution, the quality appears amazing (and text, crystal clear), when doing so.
If you have to pause and wait for some time, that's a issue with your ISP in terms of routing, e.t.c. Please email rtmp@nevadigital.co.uk so we can do some network troubleshooting for you.
Thanks will do
This thread is funny.
Honcast and GR guys:"Competition is good. Please stop comparing GR and Honcast, we are friends."
Other Honcast and GR guys:"OMG WE IZ BETTER THAN U MKAY?!"
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