Honcast Tournament Series (May 2 - June 23, 2010)

[VeNuM]

@point1. Well you heard wrong, I left of my own accord. So I'm unsure where you heard that, care to enlighten us? I have complete logs and fairly sure that people within Honcast will know that I left of my own free will after not wanting to be awake at 2-5am casting games and wanted to cast during decent times if I did cast which is why I made the switch to GR - far more laid back and they appreciate what I do.

@point2. It's always a good idea to actually speak up and try and get something improved for the better rather than sit silently and then slam it afterwards.

[Snoopy]

@GR Just because we don't voice our opinions in open public, doesn't mean we are satisfied with the way GR is ran. Tournament structure, staff members, delay on updates, vague rules, etc, so many things that are far from acceptable. Yet here you guys are, critizing another tournament. From my standpoint, it is laughable. And don't get the wrong idea, I have felt this way about GR long before I even knew Hunter.


INCOMING ENEMY STRIKE!!!!! GET UNDER THE BUNKER!!!!!

I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

[[bliz]knowitall]

I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

This thread is a bunch of people crying because the honcast tournament is pushing in on GR's time.

[Snoopy]

This thread is a bunch of people crying because the honcast tournament is pushing in on GR's time.

I meant people from GR... Thats who chu` was refering to.

[[nCp]Puzzles1]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

[[DRD]china]

Go Honcast!

[[PHIL]Shredder]

Imo...
Having played old-school TFC competitively, I knew of 4 super competitive leagues for it: IGL, TFL, STA, and one other. Anyhow, the point was that they never overlapped. IGL was Sunday, TFL Thurs, STA Monday, and the other league was some other time. I think CAL and TFL may have overlapped eventually though, but that was later and the CAL segment died later anyway.

This is a lose-lose situation for both org's that causes internal ridiculousness. A simple way to solve this would be just to have Honcast's crap do a ladder-type of league set-up for 8 weeks similar to how a chess tourney is set-up. After each week, teams are matched against other teams of similar records. The top teams after 8 weeks == in the final bracket. You could have it on ANY night of the week, and the top teams are probably going to show up because it's not a 6 hr tourney. It's only going to be one game matched up against another team w/ a similar record. This also means, HonCast will have some terrific matches going on after about week 3, making it unique being in the middle of the week.

Directly competing with a competitor is 'war' basically, and it's risky. Sometimes both org's lose :x.

Apples and Oranges my man. TFC took about 2 hours of any given night, and those all started at either 9 or 930 EST. And there was plenty of scraping over nights, thats why there was never a league for TFC on Friday or Saturday. 9v9 TFC all had their given nights, but TONS of 5v5/ADL teams had to choose what league to play in on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays. The only two organizations that never had to deal with anything were TFL and STA until CAL moved to Thursdays while on its death bed and TFL crushed the life out of it.

During any bracketed tournament in HoN it takes a minimum of 5 hours to complete. What you're talking about isn't a tournament, it's a league. And its exactly how TFL was run. The problem is you can't do that kind of setup with HoN because there are no divisions. You can't rely on win/loss records to dictate who your top 8 teams are because of tied records. You could take the top 8 teams in any division in TFL because there were, at max, 16 or so teams. But imagine if there was 1 division with 64 teams in it and you were relying solely on win/loss records to decide your top 8 teams. What if every week you had to play the same opponents and always lost and ended up with a worse record than some team who played crap opponents all the time. That's why TFL Pro never took off as well as why there were always a ton of disputes when clans would climb the rankings on konspiracy because they started in 4a and raped every team they played against until they reached 1a (like MoC)

I don't really have an opinion on the tournament other than I'm looking forward to casting it and I really look forward to weeks 7 and 8 and seeing some of the underestimated talent once the big dogs are in.

[[5mS]Cathallex]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

Using a well known quality streaming site with an embed feature that plays flawlessly in HD. I for one am shocked AND appalled.

[KisukexWolf]

I Support Sunday tournaments, as i work mon-thur & sat 1pm-10pm Central. So yeah sunday ftw.

[[EG]chu]

I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

I am so very sure there were couple of posts made by GR comparing number of viewers between GR and honcast etc on the first page. They all got deleted, I don't know for whose convenience.

[[5]Blavo]

I'm only going to post b/c I feel obligated to defend GR to some extent.

I wasn't thrilled with how GR was run for the most part because I didn't enjoy having to devote every Sunday to a GR tourney. However, GR was one of the first organizations to devote resources to covering HoN. So I can't pass too much judgment on them, since they helped promote the competitive aspect of HoN and help put it where it is today.

If Honcast's tournament ends up affecting GR, then that would be an unfortunate but inevitable aspect of business competition. We should all still be thankful for everything GR did for competitive HoN, despite what happens in the future.

[Shatnerr]

Also, people need to stop crying about competition. Competition breeds quality. With no competition, there is no incentive for a company to put out a good product.

Quoted for economics at it's finest.

[TLSHadow]

Sigh you guys are all so nerdy posting wah wah comments. TOURNAMENTS SUCK RIGHT NOW. It's true. One of the only good ones is CyberGamer, because the admins and site are AMAZING.

Two companies fighting over Sundays = better quality and more prize money, the same way the world works. If no one is competing with GR, they can slack on prize money and quality (which they have). Seriously, I don't care about any of this Hc vs GR baby **** and neither should you, the bottom line is competition is good. Monopoly.. even oligarchy is bad, just like almost every tournament so far.

I LIVE IN AMERICA *****, the country that was founded on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Native Americans. Just because they were here first doesn't mean they got to stay.

[nakke]

America **** yeah! World police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[[Poni]Cruelshy]

It's pretty sad to see how this topic has derailed into a GR vs HCT fight between the members. Sure there are some people that like GR more than HCT and then others that like HCT more than GR, but I'm sure we staff members from both sides don't see ourselves in that possition. Competition is always good even if it means "who will come out more successful". Just please stop comparing us to eachother because that will only fuel fights among the community.

The only reason anyone ever did GR was because there weren't other tournaments. The looooong season for 1 decent invitational tournament is excruciating, the neva gaming/honcast way of not wasting the players' time with tournament after tournament solely to qualify is FAR better.

So you are telling me that you PLAY a beta game for the sole purpose of winning prize money? Not for enjoying your time playing it. Our unprized tournaments aren't only a "squeeze-in" (as I'm sure HCT's won't be either), they are more to build up a competitive scene and make every team give it their best shot every sunday at proving to the community that they are "the best" out there. Prize money is only the cherry on top.

INCOMING ENEMY STRIKE!!!!! GET UNDER THE BUNKER!!!!!

Was that comment really neccessary?

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

I hope you are aware that what we do is totally free and with volunteers. We aren't only specified on shoutcasts either, we are a multigaming site and everything we do is just to improve the quality of content for the community which then falls back on more activity for our and other sites. Be sure that we have tried MANY streaming sites and youtube was the one with the best resources for our needs while still being free.

I am so very sure there were couple of posts made by GR comparing number of viewers between GR and honcast etc on the first page. They all got deleted, I don't know for whose convenience.

Nope, you must've been mistaking them for other posts or not at all. That's also besides what this topic is about. Please don't make a big e-drama about this, because we do not like to compare ourselves to HoNCast. They are a site specialized but not limited to shoutcast coverage while we are a multigaming site that does a little of everything: Replays, tournaments, shoutcasts, guides, the list goes on...

Two companies fighting over Sundays = better quality and more prize money, the same way the world works.

I can give you my word that we are trying to improve as much as we can with or without competition. Both in quality and prize money.

If no one is competing with GR, they can slack on prize money and quality (which they have). y.

If we ever slacked on either of them then it surely wasn't our intention just because we thought we would have a monopolization going on. I also don't see how we slacked prize money as it went up from the last invitational by another 0.

[[EG]chu]

So you are telling me that you PLAY a beta game for the sole purpose of winning prize money? Not for enjoying your time playing it. Our unprized tournaments aren't only a "squeeze-in" (as I'm sure HCT's won't be either), they are more to build up a competitive scene and make every team give it their best shot every sunday at proving to the community that they are "the best" out there. Prize money is only the cherry on top.

Why, because few hundred bucks that is divided by 5+ people, over couple of months is so rewarding? If I needed money, I'd definitely do something that brings more than $50/month salary. And if you believe your tournament structure is anything close to an incentive for us to "give it our best shot every sunday" to "prove to the community that we are the best out there", you are horribly mistaken.

Nope, you must've been mistaking them for other posts or not at all. That's also besides what this topic is about. Please don't make a big e-drama about this, because we do not like to compare ourselves to HoNCast. They are a site specialized but not limited to shoutcast coverage while we are a multigaming site that does a little of everything: Replays, tournaments, shoutcasts, guides, the list goes on...

Don't be ignorant. Are you my eyes and ears now? I know what I saw. If those deleted posts didn't exists, I would've never had my interest in this potential drama thread. All I know is GR utterly failed at keeping their participants (we probably gave you most traffic too) satisfied, then I came here and saw some retarded "We're better than you honcast" posts which I found very ironic.

All I know is GR has not been satisfying and they havn't been stepping up in months, so I'm cheering for honcast on this one.

[[TECH]YawningAngel]

If you had negative feedback to give GR, why didn't you give us the feedback? We accept that there are things we could do better, and we'd love to hear them.

[[TECH]YawningAngel]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

We use YouTube to host our stuff... What's the problem with that?

[[Neva]Vievi]

Wait, people are still QQ'ing about this? GR does not own the Sunday slot, that's what it boils down to. Stop whining and let the teams decide.

[TLSHadow]

GR actually made a very smart move with the Youtube player, it's much better and way better quality than what Honcast has. You can't beat the quality of html5 HD casts (It's seriously impossible at the current stage of flash based video players)

But on a serious note.. TLSHADOW TYPECAST>H0NS&OBI>HONCAST=GR