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    Fredrick Airship Captain [IR Ganker] - Contest

    Fredrick Airship Captain [IR Ganker]

    Fredrick and Lance are brothers and Airship captains. Long ago, a bitter rivalry rose between them. Lance was of the view that, if you kill lots of your enemies, they will run in fear and you will be more successful in battle. Fredrick disagreed with this, his thinking was that if you showed how good you are at killing just one enemy, you will make others cower because you would be able to kill them just as easily. Now their airships and crew are devoted to their ideologies.

    Fredrick and Lance are devoted to an honor system, whereby they have to prove themselves better than their rival, each other!. This has led them both to no longer piloting their airships in the battle of Newerth, but being in and amongst the fray. Fredrick and Lance both tag their targets with a laser pointer. Their airship marksmen then shoot at them. Their airships are not normally seen, only the shadow of their gas bag on the battlefield. Spells are done in a similar way, with the pilot calling in the strike. This means attacks will come from different directions than Fredrick and Lance.

    Air Ships



    Fredrick - Captain of the Insequor


    Fredrick believes in destroying a singular enemy so spectacularly, that others dare not fight him. He is a dedicated ganker.

    Fredrick should have similar stats and stat growth to witch hunter.

    Skill 1
    Dumb Bomb
    Fredrick calls his crew to drop a bomb on the target location, damaging and stunning heroes in the aoe.
    Notes. A whistle sound plays, and takes 1.7 seconds to land at target. Allies can see target location with an x on the ground.
    Level 1 75 magic damage , 1 second stun
    Level 2 150 magic damage, 1.5 second stun
    Level 3 225 magic damage, 1.75 second stun
    Level 4 300 Magic damage, 2 second stun
    Cast range: 1100
    AoE 300
    Mana cost 140



    Skill 2
    Fish'm up boys!

    Fredrick crew knows he just hates his enemies getting away, and it is always their fault if they do. They have made a sport of hooking heroes back to Fredrick for him to get the glory.

    Notes. If target enemy moves more than 1100 range from where he was targeted, or is out of Fredrick's direct line of sight for more than 3 seconds, his crew will hook the target and swing it back to where he was first marked. Fredrick is also able to manually activate this and have his crew hook the target at any time in the duration.

    Level 1 30 Second cooldown
    Level 2 25 Second cooldown
    Level 3 20 Second cooldown
    Level 4 15 Second cooldown
    Cast Range 700
    Mana cost 75
    Duration 8 seconds
    *Fly fishing*



    Skill 3
    Spotter

    Fredrick?s crew are able to relay hero locations to him. Reveals invisible heroes that hang about their spotted location.

    Notes. Fredrick signals his airship. Fredrick and his allies are given enemy hero location via a ping on their maps. Each hero ping takes 1 second of channel time, starting with the hero closest to him, and ending with the hero further from him. Enemy heroes that stay within 900 AoE of where they were spotted are revealed if invisible and inside the sight range of an ally. Reveal AoE lasts for 8 seconds.


    Level 1 1 min cooldown.
    Level 2 50 second cooldown
    Level 3 35 Second cooldown
    Level 4 25 Second cooldown
    Mana cost 100
    *Keepn eye on Lance*


    Skill 4 - Ultimate
    Descend!

    Fredrick orders his airship to land on the field of battle, blocking the escape and the rescue of his enemies.

    Notes. Creates impassible terrain where the ship lands (similar to fissure) Will land lengthways in narrow pathways (like the river). Enemies that attempt to get close will be attacked by the crew on ship.

    Level 1 45 damage per second to anyone within 400 range of ship
    Level 2 75 damage per second to anyone within 400 range of ship
    Level 3 95 damage per second to anyone within 400 range of ship
    Mana cost 150/200/250
    Vector targeting for direction of ship, bow at the vector end
    Cast range 850
    Cooldown 65 Seconds

    Notes. Ship is 500 length by 300 width. Lasts 6 seconds at all levels. Ship takes 2 seconds to descend, duration and damage start once landed. Enemies caught underneath will be moved to the side of the ship and slowed by 25% for 2 seconds. If not feasible to lane on terrain, units moving under ship are slowed by 60%.
    Last edited by Svendetta; 04-15-2010 at 09:12 PM.
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    Bump for feedback
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    Does not really seem like an INT hero. Only has 1 nuke/stun and no real disables besides it.
    This entire hero would work better in the AGI pusher contest with skills 2 and 3 replaced. The ultimate is very good for pushing.

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    I really like this hero concept! First off, I'm really diggin the theme. Second off I think his skills would provide HoN with a fantastic ganking hero. His ultimate is my favorite! I can just see the guys on the ship firing at nearby heroes.

    Anyway, t-UP on this concept.

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    Itsnot about the disables but about screwing over that carry with an escape mechanism ^^ And you can chain the stun on top of the hooking skill which makes this an interesting idea in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by GayWorld3D View Post
    Does not really seem like an INT hero. Only has 1 nuke/stun and no real disables besides it.
    This entire hero would work better in the AGI pusher contest with skills 2 and 3 replaced. The ultimate is very good for pushing.
    Hey bro!

    Check out my other hero suggestion as well, similar themed agi pusher.

    When designing this hero, theres 2 types of int gankers. Nukers with a disable, like pyro and witch hunter, and disablers that can do decent damage when combod, like pollywog and I tried to build this hero into a pollywog type, a great ganker. Most int heros are also able to push as well. Fredricks skills assist well with pushing, but he cant clear creeps as efficiently as pyro, nor has minions to tank buildings

    Thanks for the feedback guys, any balance changes?
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    HUmmm I really like this hero all new an original, i pretty much love the Ping skill.

    I only would change the hooking skill into something more agressive and controllable, maybe reduce range and time for hooking back the target or maybe hooking all heroes trying to leave a target area...
    My int ganker hero idea check it and help remodelling finisher

    http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...d.php?t=104601

    My Agi pusher hero idea check it, looks like i have real problems to come up with an interesting ultimate.

    http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...d.php?t=106302

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attalward View Post
    HUmmm I really like this hero all new an original, i pretty much love the Ping skill.

    I only would change the hooking skill into something more agressive and controllable, maybe reduce range and time for hooking back the target or maybe hooking all heroes trying to leave a target area...
    This is good advice, I will review this, I ported this from a previous hero concept, and he had a kind of mine skill, theres deffinatly room to make it more aggressive since he has less damage potential then the former hero.

    Edit. Ive added a manual activation to it.
    Last edited by Svendetta; 04-15-2010 at 09:13 PM.
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    Fish'm up seems like it's really strong to be on such a short cooldown, but I could be mis-estimating it. Definitely like the skill but I think it could probably use some tweaking.
    The ship ability seems like the cooldown is really short. Especially when you take into account you can use it to force push a lane by dropping it behind an enemy tower. Again I like the concept.

    I would love to see this hero.
    The gypsy - Int Ganker Hero Idea
    The demolisher - Agi Pusher Hero Idea
    Please take a look at my suggestions. I need some more feedback!

  10. #10
    Thanks for your feedback. The idea behind the ship is to stop rescues of heroes, and towers, if the other team is not ready for the gank, or push. This skill fits a pushing purpose is well. It does little damage in a little aoe, and the aoe of affect is not that far (but could be nerfed). The ship main design is "Your team messed up, and now you cannot save this tower, you cannot save this hero"

    Its a low cooldown because he is a ganking hero, and it does little real damage. He has no huge forms of damage avail except his first skill, and is good at keeping heros under control. I liken him more to pollywog then witch hunter.

    Thanks for your feedback, will deffinatly tweak some numbers, the hook skill does seem to be the problem one, will need endless tweaking
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    Oh another point. For the pinging ability, it's a REALLY strong skill. the last 2 levels should be scaled back to 40/30 seconds respectively at least. It's just, really really strong, it's like sort of having a scouting thunderbringer/sandwraith available really often.
    The gypsy - Int Ganker Hero Idea
    The demolisher - Agi Pusher Hero Idea
    Please take a look at my suggestions. I need some more feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassMonkey View Post
    Oh another point. For the pinging ability, it's a REALLY strong skill. the last 2 levels should be scaled back to 40/30 seconds respectively at least. It's just, really really strong, it's like sort of having a scouting thunderbringer/sandwraith available really often.
    Im thinking of nerfing it to 1min at all levels and giving it a different effect. Watch this space, I do agree it needs a rework.
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    bumpity
    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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    STR Hero Contest
    - Azuh`ril - Jester

    INT Hero contest
    Fredrick - Airship Captain

    AGI Hero contest
    Lance - Airship Captain

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