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I've played 3 games, first time ever playing this sort of thing, I've read the guides so I have a basic understanding.
Not exactly a pleasant experience in the first few games ("You noob, You Idiot, Don't you know what you're doing?" etc) - but I expect that I guess. I've played different characters, and I've been told by one player not to play the character I chose (Soulstealer).
I understand about the lanes, about following creeps to level up and generally up to about 6 or 7 I keep pace with everyone, then the game seems to change, I buy some items that I think look good but I guess they aren't. I find myself coming up against other heroes and usually dying quite quickly which then leads to a downward spiral of being behind the trend and dying lots.
The game looks like fun but it's frustrating to be insulted when you've only played a few games (I can't seem to find games that are purely for brand new players) and there seems to be a massive combination of characters and items, so it's all a bit confusing. I think even some of the basic guides on here start mentioning things that I have no clue about (Basic laning guide is one).
Am I just destined to not get this game and should I give up now?
this game has a steep learning curve.... VERY STEEP....
do your research on tips and tricks. Check youtube videos. Ask help from people willing to help. Maybe join the learning clan LN.
good luck. keep at it.
I wrote this last week to teach people how and why to buy starting items, it also contains links to other handy guides. Hope it helps.
DON'T GIVE UP
Anyway. Yes, there are a massive number of items and heroes but you have to keep trying. The biggest tip I can give you is DO NOT DIE. If you're low health or are in enemy territory or are being chased, try you hardest not to die. If you start there everything else will get better.
You said that the game changes at around level 6 and 7. This is very true, it's usually when people leave their lanes to go other things, which usually involves killing enemy heroes. I probably won't be the best advise because I don't have my thoughts very ordered, but others will come.
http://i.imgur.com/14irX.jpg
Buy the courier at the beginning of the match. This magically frees you from the responsibility of buying wards.
yeap dont give up! THIS IS a very competitive and awesome game! again Information is all you need:
1) Read up on your guides regarding your hero choice.
2) Memorize mostly all heros and their skills so you understand why the heck he killed you.
3) Newbs should learn the ropes on survivability, tons of guides here to read up on.
Goodluck and hope you have a fun and trashtalk free games ahead.
Unfortunately for noobs, this game has one of the biggest (probably the biggest that I've encountered) learning curves out there. I myself never played DotA, which made things even worse. A lot of great DotA players are great in HoN as well because the game is essentially the same in many aspects. From what I've learned, this game is all about experience. Every exceptional player I come across all have the same thing in common. They played DotA for years before they played HoN.
At ~550 games played in HoN, I am still sitting around 1600psr. I'm still learning things and know I'm going to still be learning for a long time.
If I had to give any advice I would just say to stay persistent. Watch replays of the pro's and see what they do. You might be able to pick up some good ideas to try. But basically just know that this game is all about experience, so don't get discouraged if you lose.
Also, don't feed into people's negative comments. Chances are the person dishing out the comments is really not good either. I rarely see the actual really good players dishing out the comments. It's always the guys that are 0-12 blaming everything on their team and taking no blame for themselves.
One more thing, hero picking wise. From my personal experience, I feel like Pestilence and Deadwood are fairly noob friendly heroes. They are tanky enough to take a little dmg, and both have nice escape mechanisms. (Pestilence's Flight, and Deadwood's Clearcutting). Stay away from hard carry heroes (Scout, The Dark Lady, Sand Wraith, Zephyr, Chronos) and play support for the time being. You want to learn to survive first. Dying is basically the worst thing you can do in this game.
Good luck and have fun.
Street Fighter learning curve > HoN learning curve IMO
New to Heroes of Newerth? Find help in the Training Grounds.
TreeHorse is not an employee of S2 Games. Be warned: He will rage at you.
The first game I played I was vote kicked out of a No Stat Noob Only game, go figure, so I understand how frustrating the insults can be. Its as if the gods have come down to play HoN, and for some reason they are in noob only games. LOL.Originally Posted by Snarf999
I've played 3 games, first time ever playing this sort of thing, I've read the guides so I have a basic understanding.
Not exactly a pleasant experience in the first few games ("You noob, You Idiot, Don't you know what you're doing?" etc) - but I expect that I guess. I've played different characters, and I've been told by one player not to play the character I chose (Soulstealer).
I understand about the lanes, about following creeps to level up and generally up to about 6 or 7 I keep pace with everyone, then the game seems to change, I buy some items that I think look good but I guess they aren't. I find myself coming up against other heroes and usually dying quite quickly which then leads to a downward spiral of being behind the trend and dying lots.
The game looks like fun but it's frustrating to be insulted when you've only played a few games (I can't seem to find games that are purely for brand new players) and there seems to be a massive combination of characters and items, so it's all a bit confusing. I think even some of the basic guides on here start mentioning things that I have no clue about (Basic laning guide is one).
Am I just destined to not get this game and should I give up now?
But seriously, what I have been doing since I started a month or so ago is picking a hero and read up all about that them. Look for guides for that specific hero and learn how to play them. Build, best items, when to buy the itesm, etc. I am not pro with the heroes that I've researched on but what I learned from doing this is what the items do, which is probably more important as you play different heroes. I've researched and played through several heroes so far and I'm getting better at the game.
Don't worry about when others try to insult, the real insult is that they are in the noob only games. Do your research and keep playing. See you in the game!
Tekken learning curve> SF learning curve
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/sh...ad.php?t=64274
The above link has a mini guide for all heroes. More importantly it provides proper item builds and general skill builds. Of course items and skills will vary from game to game, but in general you cant go wrong with this guide.
You can even download it as a mod that replaces the in game recommended items tab with the ones in the mod, and provides the skill build when you mouse over your skills.
I never played Dota or had any RTS experience previous to HoN. I have roughly 300 games on my profile, and not all of them are pretty. Looking at my stats though, they're decent, and it just supports the fact that this game gets easier with time. There is no "instant solution" to winning and getting better. I found that early on, playing with and against friends only helps to hone your skills in a friendly environment. Playing no stats only games eases the stress of having to do good so your stats don't look bad. When you get confident enough to play stats games with other players online, do so. Expect to lose a few games before you get the hang of it and acquire a presence in the game.
The biggest thing to remember is to keep in mind that you are a newbie, you aren't the best player, and to stay humble. Be the cup that is always half full. There's always new strategies, tips, hints, methods, techniques, builds, etc out there that make you a better player. The best players are the ones who have acquired all these techniques and can execute them properly in the right situations, defined as "skill" when it comes to HoN.
Good luck.
This game has like 6 years of evolution if you count DotA. Its a lot to catch up.
Most HoN players are the worse douches in the world.
Join LN, there are ragers (I think people consider me as one since my tone of voice always seems like I'm either bored or angry.) but it's much better than anything else in this wasteland.
You'll learn the basics and will fight with and against people of your level. Of course there are people much better that you will be against but thats the whole point of getting better. You can't be any better than the sandbag in front of you if you do not get real experience on the battlefield of death and destruction. If you are lucky, you will find someone ready to help you and become your mentor so that you may learn faster.
Ok i'm getting too epic now, but yea, join clan LN. you can checkitout by getting on the chat server and joining channel "Clan Ludus Novicius"
Until you learn what every hero does and their rough cooldowns and mana costs, you'll never truly be able to be safe in the lane. Going further than this you should know your capabilities and your opponents capabilities, what will happen if you move to certain locations in the lane, and just generally what you should be doing in the lane.
Your problem, from what I can ascertain, is that you seem to do fine in very passive lanes where the goal seems to be farming the lanes for creeps. However, once the game moves towards ganking and pushing you can't find your place because you don't know what you're supposed to be doing. This is just stuff you have to learn as you play, and yeah you're going to get yelled at, but the best way to keep this as low as possible is joining games you feel you should be in. Don't join games you shouldn't be in(unlabeled or higher PSR than you have), you'll just end up griefing your teammates and as such they'll yell at you.
If you continue to play, you'll learn these things, or hopefully you'll learn them and games will get a lot more fun. You'll just have to accept that you're going to get yelled at, and I personally find it someone I'm yelling at merely tells me they're new and they want advice I give them it.(Well, at least from DotA, I generally don't get in games with these people in HoN except maybe in matchmaking.).
You can generally find decent item guides in the premium guide section, so you might want to load the guide of the hero you're playing up and check it out.
Good joke
I have returned
Yeah, I'm more inclined towards the not continuing to play side. I've never met a crowd so hostile in a game. I'm trying to use the mini guides whilst playing to guide me in which items to buy and how to level and I'm slowly learning, but it's almost impossible to learn when every single game seems to have an eliteist side to it, completely happy to ignore the fact that you're new and very much happy to pounce on failure, shame really.
Is there any other way to learn the game, or is it just through trying games?
Unfortunately it's pretty much just playing. When you get to know all the skills (or most of them) that heroes have, it does get a lot easier. Then you know what someone can do to you, and thus you can act accordingly!
But yeah, join LN, they will help ye out. It will take probably up to 100 games before you know even the very basics of this game. I have several hundreads of games and still I learn a lot, and I even played DotA for two years.
BTW. You might want to check on youtube Nigma's tutorials. Just search for something like Heroes of newerth tutorial.
I second the Nigma tutorials. Also, try sticking to no stats games while your learning.
Before I even started playing I had watched honcasts for a little while which helped alot. I also have a group of irl friends to play hon with which is amazing. Playing in an atmosphere where you can try out heroes and not get insulted helps you learn the game much faster. Also, it is a game so try to have fun with it and try not to get frustrated by the people who blame their terrible scores on their teammates.
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