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So I hit game 8 and it's still ridiculous. Pyromancer is fun...but he dies like a chump. I still can't master when you're supposed to go and kill NPCs for gold/xp and when you should be watching the lane, when to watch out for an ambush...I mean I'm slowly getting better, but UGH. This learning curve is just so aggravating.
When does it get better? (No I didn't play dota)
200+ games
After 10games: You are frustarted, you don't know what you're doing and get flamed by teammates.
After 50 games: You know some of the basics and you are able to play with some heroes properly.
After 100 Games: You get better with every hero, try some different heroes and you are able to last hit/deny, runewhore and to gank.
After 200 Games: You are a mediocore player can play quite a load of heroes properly, you are able to last hit/deny, runewhore and to gank and can carry your team.
And so on...
You're constantly learning, it never stops and even if it did, it would differ from person to person.
I fell to like 0.3 and 1300 before I finally grasped the basics after 50~ games. Now I'm just a mediocre player hanging between 1500 and 1600/ 0.9-1. Keep at it and try to win at least one game with every single hero. If you cannot you have not fully understood that hero as of yet and need to walk in his shoes some more.
Last edited by Hideous; 04-11-2010 at 12:01 PM.
After six years and thousands of games you're a frustrated mechanics whore who has seen the steady decline of the balance of the game to poor design philosophy, gone from scrub, to medium-high level scrimmer, back to mediocre-scrub level and you write diatribes on balance on the forums rather than actively seeking to improve areas of your game.
When I started playing HoN I had 0,1 KD and 30 APM. I didn't understand ANYTHING. Now I have 1650-1700 PSR. Have patience and you'll learn. The advices here can make you learn faster though, so keep them in mind!!
Advices:
- You can always join the LN-clan.
- Play ALL the heroes, in practice mode and then in a no stat or a noobs only game. Learn their ROLES, some heroes are supposed to farm farm farm (hardcarries) and other are supposed to SUPPORT with courier, wards, nomes wisdom/astrolabe, etc. If you aren't a carry, don't lasthit the herokills. If you are a initiator like behe/magmus/engi - buy a blink and INITIATE! Always do what your hero is SUPPOSED to do. Harass in lane if you are a babysitter, instead of taking the carries creepkills, etc.
- Never play versus more than 3 locks if your team has none.
- If you see a skilled player, try to do what he does.
- Listen to advices!
- Read premium-guides.
- Pick what your team needs. If you have 2 melees, never pick a third one unless one melee is going mid. 2 carries are more than enough. And so forth.
- Try to get strong lanes, and counterpick the other team heroes.
- Never start with bottle/boots+runes (unless your swiftblade). Buy reg and stats.
- Keep aware of the map, all the time. Unless you are the carry: buy wards! It will help you and your teammates to stay alive. Wards are OP.
Specific tips for pyro: Don't go in first in a fight. And don't wait to lasthit with your spells, use them ASAP on squishy carries to make the fight 4vs5 instead. Buy wards or a courier when the game starts, this gives your team an advantage. If the other team uses a courier and buys wards when your team doesn't, you will lose.
Last edited by TooBadItsaMe; 04-11-2010 at 12:08 PM.
I feel like an idiot... I've played over 200 games, but I'd put myself more at where you say someone with 50 games should be...Originally Posted by Foo_Fighter
I think it really helps playing with more experienced friends that can help you evolve as well.
Thats just because you played blacksmith in about half of your games :P
Just as much about striving to learn.
If you just join games, play around, you won't improve much.
If you're serious about getting better, you will become better.
That includes watching casts of higher rated teams, reading up on the forums, admitting your mistakes and when given advices, not refusing them nor accepting them blindly, but considering them and think the situation through thoroughly.
8 games? Don't even dream it.
If you're a completely new player, it will take you atleast 100 games to learn most heroes and items. I was a dota player in the past and it took me 200 games before I got every hero / items down. Then it took me another 200-300 games before I got decent
Keep in mind, the majority of players who play HoN have played dota for a long time. So you are going against years of metagame experience. Its like buying starcraft 1 today and playing an online game and expecting to be good instantly - doesnt work like that. In order to get good it just takes time, or knowledge through research.
Know what heroes can do and how to avoid dying by them is the best noob advice i could give.
Between HoN and DotA i've probably played around 1000 games and i'm still constantly learning new things.
It never stops, but it does get better once you learn how all the heroes work and learn how to intelligently buy items.
Want to win every game? Click on Bearsmith.
HoN is all about learning how every item and hero works. Once you know every hero's abilities and have a general understanding of all the items in a game -- which takes awhile, mind you -- it'll get a lot easier.
Avoiding ambushes is just a matter of playing cautiously. You NEED to be checking your minimap fairly consistently to make sure no one is missing. If anyone is missing, you need to be paranoid that they're coming after YOU and back off -- DON'T BE GREEDY! Most new players get greedy once they get the hang of last hitting ("Yay I can finally make money!!) and ignore missing players, only to get owned and lose more money than they made by refusing to back away.
If you keep at it and ASK QUESTIONS you will learn quickly and be far less frustrated. Keep watching your minimap and play smart. There is definitely a "sixth sense" about HoN where you can feel when you're going to get ganked due to how enemy heroes position themselves and their attitude of play in the lane. As a general rule of thumb though, if anything is missing, gtfo. Don't stick around for your idiot pub teammate who refuses to back off, just say "b" and then head back to the tower until the missing reappears. Better safe than sorry.
It's too difficult to figure out what every hero's ability is whenever everyone I play with is...a not very nice person, to put it as kindly as possible. No one ever cares about assisting me with what I need to buy and there isn't exactly time to sit and read everything. The practice never went to a point where I fought enemies. I just walked around and didn't really learn anything.
This game definitely needs a better learning curve...having to play 200 games before you're good is just...ridiculous.
You do practice games to read the descriptions and implement the strategies/builds suggested by the guides. Preparation and understanding is huge in these kinds of games. If you don't want to do your homework, you're destined to struggle for a long time.
The only reason the learning curve is so steep is that the pub level is extremely high due to a population of ex-dota players.
10 newbs could flounder around for 75 minutes and still have a fun time but one pro is going to absolutely wreck that game, and the fun part? They could all have 1500 psr and nobody would be the wiser until the bloodbath begins.
New to Heroes of Newerth? Find help in the Training Grounds.
TreeHorse is not an employee of S2 Games. Be warned: He will rage at you.
But after 200 games the fun is bigger than in any other game. Worth it.
eh once your PSR falls enough you'll find people around your skill level. hon is fun when you're playing against people around your skill
also - it doesnt take 200 games to get 'good'. i'd say it takes about '50' to be able to competantly play a couple heroes, and really, that's when things start to get interesting as you start to learn more map tricks and add more heroes to your toolkit
this game is funny though. there's nothing quite like the feeling of being absolutely smashed by someone who's so far beyond you that you'd swear he's either hacking or has some other kind of advantage. it's not like WOW where the person smashes you cuz he has the ill-est gear.
Last edited by chaosmongler; 04-13-2010 at 02:50 PM.
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