Lady Gaga/VMA's/Music Industry = Satanism/Illuminati WTF ?

[Amplirage]

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2614

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2737

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3423

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3306

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2806

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2867

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2917

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[Marylinn]

Wow. Just wow.

[Magissia]

ewwww

[coolmans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

[Amplirage]

The symbols and connections about Lady Gaga's video are so believable , god.. shes so creepy (not to mention she got a penis lolwut)

[H1pster]

This guy needs something better to do.

[Narfle]

my lord that was stupid

i hope the guy is just fooling around, but knowing how many stupid people are out there, hes probably not.

[FulgoreSama]

The symbols and connections about Lady Gaga's video are so believable , god.. shes so creepy (not to mention she got a penis lolwut)

I like how the ignorance flows out of this guy.

1. I remember a friend showing a picture of her completely in wraps. She had no bulge at all. a alleged small penis or not its simple. No bulge, No balls and most important no dick. And creepy? Gonna guess all choreography is creepy than huh? I've seen weirder.

[Amplirage]

i guess you prolly didnt read the articles , read it again then talk to me

ps: i was joking about the penis thingy = lolwut

[Nome]

I read the articles, and I laughed. For example, in the second one, he says there is a freemason compass in the picture... there isn't. At all.

He makes ridiculous stretches like that.

Plus, Telephone being about mind control...? WHAT?

[Kelebek]

"All i know is (no disrespect to any1) but i heard haemaphrodites were a product of incest?!?"

That comment made me lol.

[Cheapstak]

I read the articles, and I laughed. For example, in the second one, he says there is a freemason compass in the picture... there isn't. At all.

He makes ridiculous stretches like that.

Plus, Telephone being about mind control...? WHAT?

Actually... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=eWR&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ei=NXWmS6CNNYPusgPMx7zQAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA0QBSgA&q=freemason+compass&spell=1

[Nuk_Duck]

Whoever made this is an idiot and is in desperate need of a life.

[devilesk]

This makes sense. Lady Gaga controls my mind! Not.

[Minimality]

This makes sense. Lady Gaga controls my mind! Not.

The articles I read basically said that lady gaga is an experiment of the illuminati in a sense that she is completely brainwashed and "reset" as a personality and it held no relation what so ever to lady gaga mindcontrolling people.

The thing is..when she is supposedly "created" as she is by one focus group, why mix it up with symbolism from a variety of cults and not just one? Also the interpretations that the guy makes from the symbols are quite, QUITE arbitrary.

[Isin]

Butterflies?!?!

OMFG ILLUMINATI KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

[Nome]

Actually... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=eWR&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ei=NXWmS6CNNYPusgPMx7zQAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA0QBSgA&q=freemason+compass&spell=1

Where do you see this...

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/pinsmasonlg.gif

In this?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/02.jpg


Besides, since when has the Illuminati/Freemasonry been about...
1. Feminism, female empowerment, and female sexual freedom, which are evident in all of Gaga's songs and MVs.
2. Gay, bisexual, and transsexual rights, which make up the bulk of Gaga's charity work.
3. Hello Kitty

Keep in mind that she didn't even write most of her early songs by herself. Some of her biggest hits were co-written by Rob Fusari, a former boyfriend and producer who is now suing her, claiming he is owed a portion of her profits. What, is he Illuminatus?

[Strier]

I've read these a while back ago, but let me say this:

Lady GaGa is Illuminati. The references in her videos can-and most are- stretched and skewed by this author but there are still plenty of legit ones.

Believe it of you will or won't, doesn't matter, but don't be easily persuaded by these articles because anyone can play six degrees.

[Nome]

I've read these a while back ago, but let me say this:

Lady GaGa is Illuminati. The references in her videos can-and most are- stretched and skewed by this author but there are still plenty of legit ones.

Believe it of you will or won't, doesn't matter, but don't be easily persuaded by these articles because anyone can play six degrees.

Legit ones, like?

For a secret organization bent on world domination, they sure like to give out clues.

[Strier]

its not a secret organization by any means. It already has world "domination" through media, corporations, and money.

You would ask, why not have dominance on the surface? People are still too smart. To be dominated unwillingly is to foster resistance and lower efficiency. They are shaping how most of these newer generations think, and familiarizing them with subliminal imaging in a variety of ways. Lady Gaga was initiated in order to help blend the lgbt community in for the last birth cycle, to reduce bickering among people by the time the NWO comes into effect.


TL;DR
manipulation>Force.

I'm not an expert on the NWO by any means, rather i take an agnostic approach to it I won't deny that it exists, but i wont bash other beliefs.


Edit: as far as legit ones, the eye of truth, rams head, baptism by fire, Alice in Wonderland references, images of submissiveness and blank expressions.. there are many more and these show up in a multitude of artists associated with the illuminati.

Gaga doesnt stand for female empowerment... she stands as a bridge of acceptance, a doll for idolatry, and further promotes the ideas of women as possessions and sex.




BTW,
I'm a gaga stan.

<3 mother monster.

[Nome]

its not a secret organization by any means. It already has world "domination" through media, corporations, and money.

You would ask, why not have dominance on the surface? People are still too smart. To be dominated unwillingly is to foster resistance and lower efficiency. They are shaping how most of these newer generations think, and familiarizing them with subliminal imaging in a variety of ways. Lady Gaga was initiated in order to help blend the lgbt community in for the last birth cycle, to reduce bickering among people by the time the NWO comes into effect.


TL;DR
manipulation>Force.

I'm not an expert on the NWO by any means, rather i take an agnostic approach to it I won't deny that it exists, but i wont bash other beliefs.


Edit: as far as legit ones, the eye of truth, rams head, baptism by fire, Alice in Wonderland references, images of submissiveness and blank expressions.. there are many more and these show up in a multitude of artists associated with the illuminati.

Gaga doesnt stand for female empowerment... she stands as a bridge of acceptance, a doll for idolatry, and further promotes the ideas of women as possessions and sex.




BTW,
I'm a gaga stan.

<3 mother monster.

I'll respond in more depth later, but in case you haven't noticed, the very definition of female empowerment nowadays is free sexual activity. Explain to me why...
1. She kills the person who bought her for sex in her Bad Romance video.
2. Why she's killing men in Telephone.
If she is the system, why does she persist in creating music and videos that depict her fighting it?

[Amplirage]

you can easily find the answers to your questions if you read the article enough lol

[Nome]

you can easily find the answers to your questions if you read the article enough lol

Find them for me, and back them up with real evidence, not conjecture.
Because the "evidence" provided is extremely shoddy and is barely worth a stretch.

Besides, how does Lady Gaga's agenda of acceptance jive with the supposed Freemason/Illuminati plan for transhumanism? On that very site you linked, there is a video made in 1989 that tries to insinuate that the early spread of AIDS was in fact an effort perpetrated by the US government, and by extension, Freemasons, to destroy homosexuals. Of course, we now know that not only did AIDS not start in the US, but that it's likely been around for over a century. If there is one true conspiracy of the US government, it is the one that it is actually competent.

Of course, like all conspiracy theories, the freemason conspiracy evolves as its lies and deceit are revealed to be babblings of madmen. If there were 1000 pieces of evidence, as time passes by, maybe 50% of them are proved to be completely hokey, as with AIDS. Of course, they just shrug it off and pretend it never happened, instead coming up with new, just as far-fetched, stuff like this Lady Gaga debacle.

Lady Gaga commands legions of fans, who will follow her every move. On one hand, she is an outspoken public advocate for LGBT rights. On the other hand, she is a so-called conspirator of freemasonry. How do you explain this discrepancy?

Explain it. This is a challenge to you.

[Marylinn]

Explain it. This is a challenge to you.
With some factual evidence this time, please.

[orytang]

whats a gaga

[Amplirage]

im just saying that some of the questions youre asking already have answers which can be found in the article but im not pointing out that these answers are true. i also posted this thread because i would like to know what the others think of this. as for the explaining part , i really dont know how to explain it since ive got little knowledge about this topic (some friend linked this to me). i just would like to know what others think about it lol

[Strier]

If she is the system, why does she persist in creating music and videos that depict her fighting it?
while wearing a thong and hooker boots?
xD

Her last 3 videos she's killed people. The john, her bf, an a diner full of people. While the gesture itself suggests feminism, two wrongs doesn't make a right. Not to mention the deaths had 'nati symbolism.


The video themes and plots are her own, but her status and career, and to a degree her life, are the illuminati's.



Now, that being said, its useless to attempt to debunk conspiracies.

"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

My goal is to believe in my beliefs, and respect the beliefs of others. Except for Catholics and Scientologists.
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^ Nome this goes for you mostly. I know we all can't and don't have hippy attitudes, but to prove something wrong, you must prove the opposite correct. Lack of proof works both ways.

instead of demanding explanations and paperwork, try to just read through it all and keep things in mind. You don't have to believe any of it, but some of it is rather intriguing- especially the fact that the same exact signs are displayed by a multitude of celebrities. Its not about Lady Gaga as much as it is the story behind it all.

Something to look up is the relationship of the Church and Freemasonry.

[Marylinn]

^ Nome this goes for you mostly. I know we all can't and don't have hippy attitudes, but to prove something wrong, you must prove the opposite correct. Lack of proof works both ways.

instead of demanding explanations and paperwork, try to just read through it all and keep things in mind. You don't have to believe any of it, but some of it is rather intriguing- especially the fact that the same exact signs are displayed by a multitude of celebrities.
Wrong. This rule is subjective.

You can say this all you want, but in the end there is no way to prove that she is in the business of brainwashing unless she were to come out and say it herself, in which case the argument ceases to matter.



I also like how you had to edit to add that because you thought it would make your OPINION (and that's exactly what it is. It isn't a belief, you can't have a belief based on someone else's personal state of mind. That's a judgement.) somehow more valid.



And I mean, I won't even bother to point out all of the rampant hypocrisy elsewhere in your post.

[Nome]

while wearing a thong and hooker boots?
xD

Her last 3 videos she's killed people. The john, her bf, an a diner full of people. While the gesture itself suggests feminism, two wrongs doesn't make a right. Not to mention the deaths had 'nati symbolism.


The video themes and plots are her own, but her status and career, and to a degree her life, are the illuminati's.



Now, that being said, its useless to attempt to debunk conspiracies.

"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

My goal is to believe in my beliefs, and respect the beliefs of others. Except for Catholics and Scientologists.

You said the video themes and plots are her own. That would include the imagery. How would her status and therefore career be of the Illuminati's, then?

If there is one group that owns Hollywood, it would be the Jews. This is not a conspiracy--it just so happens that the vast majority of production groups are headed by Jews. A bunch of directors and movie stars are as well. Not really a secret or anything. So unless these people are also part of the Illuminati (http://www.rense.com/general70/ilum.htm), I can't see any reasoning for the "Illuminati controls the mass media" argument.

Besides, how do Lady Gaga's early photos evoke Illuminati imagery? Here's an example.
http://insectstore.com/entertainment/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/lady-gaga.jpg

Oh wait, they don't. In fact, if you look up Lady Gaga's origins (http://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2010/01/lady_gaga_her_outrageous_perso.html), you'll find out that in fact, the majority of her design choices were not deeply ingrained within her, but developed only a few years ago--and from personal friends, not shady outsiders. Does this seem like the work of Illuminati to you?

Do not confuse the abuse of ancient symbology with the subconscious delivery of them. Doing so would be making the same mistake of grouping the Nazis, Buddhists, and Native Americans together into a vast infernal conspiracy because of their invocation of the swastika.

You are making the same mistake that all people naturally make--where there is confusion, where there is a deficit of information, the mind attempts to justify the cognitive dissonance by patching in information where there is none. This is the same reason religious people are religious. Open your eyes. The real deception is that this conspiracy exists at all.

[Strier]

Wrong. This rule is subjective.

You can say this all you want, but in the end there is no way to prove that she is in the business of brainwashing unless she were to come out and say it herself, in which case the argument ceases to matter.



I also like how you had to edit to add that because you thought it would make your OPINION (and that's exactly what it is. It isn't a belief, you can't have a belief based on someone else's personal state of mind. That's a judgement.) somehow more valid.



And I mean, I won't even bother to point out all of the rampant hypocrisy elsewhere in your post.

And you're a retard for thinking i said anything about her brainwashing people.

...All proof is debatable, lack of proof/=/proof of innocence...

... telling someone what they do and don't believe is sorta counterproductive to your arguement, no? My belief is of the approaching NWO, and there's nothing to "prove" Ms. Germanotta has no affiliations, but there are things to suggest that she, among quite a few others, does.

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To Nome, above:

You said the video themes and plots are her own. That would include the imagery.
Playing word games is petty and comes with a lack of said "proof". There's contradiction that can be pointed out to make real impact, but im sure you can do better than to play boggle.


other than that,you sorta bring up a nice discussion point, unlike the first ignorant being....


how do Lady Gaga's early photos evoke Illuminati imagery? Here's an example.


Oh wait, they don't.


Does this seem like the work of Illuminati to you?

That's the point.

Before: nice young female artist.
now: pop sensation throwing up iluminati gang signs.
She has her own style and such...alright? No argument. That has nothing to do with flashing adverts.

Also:
FORGET ALL THE BRAINWASHING GARBAGE. That's the straight bullock i was referring to back in my first post. She was not brainwashed, nor is she brainwashing.

The rest of your post is gibberish, though, because you are so keen on dismantling a brainwash theory on me that i have not an interest in.






You both are reminding me of the crusades with the way this discussion turned. So much ignorance and gun-jumping.

ON THAT NOTE: I did mention dominance through manipulation in my first post. Manipulation as in tiny tweaks in the way the world works and is seen, to create a noticeable effect at a later time. Like the way gravity interferes with inertia on a fired bullet. Not brainwashing as perception sculpting.





And then there is also a VERY SIMPLE EXPLANATION:

Doing it for controversy.
Has as much ground as any other argument and is up for belief.

[Nome]

And you're a retard for thinking i said anything about her brainwashing people.

...All proof is debatable, lack of proof/=/proof of innocence...

... telling someone what they do and don't believe is sorta counterproductive to your arguement, no? My belief is of the approaching NWO, and there's nothing to "prove" Ms. Germanotta has no affiliations, but there are things to suggest that she, among quite a few others, does.

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To Nome, above:

Playing word games is petty and comes with a lack of said "proof". There's contradiction that can be pointed out to make real impact, but im sure you can do better than to play boggle.


other than that,you sorta bring up a nice discussion point, unlike the first ignorant being....





That's the point.

Before: nice young female artist.
now: pop sensation throwing up iluminati gang signs.
She has her own style and such...alright? No argument. That has nothing to do with flashing adverts.

Also:
FORGET ALL THE BRAINWASHING GARBAGE. That's the straight bullock i was referring to back in my first post. She was not brainwashed, nor is she brainwashing.

The rest of your post is gibberish, though, because you are so keen on dismantling a brainwash theory on me that i have not an interest in.






You both are reminding me of the crusades with the way this discussion turned. So much ignorance and gun-jumping.

ON THAT NOTE: I did mention dominance through manipulation in my first post. Manipulation as in tiny tweaks in the way the world works and is seen, to create a noticeable effect at a later time. Like the way gravity interferes with inertia on a fired bullet. Not brainwashing as perception sculpting.





And then there is also a VERY SIMPLE EXPLANATION:

Doing it for controversy.
Has as much ground as any other argument and is up for belief.

There is no evidence of her using Illuminati symbols.
The aforementioned Freemason compass wasn't even the Freemason compass, but just a chevron. The "A-OK" symbol has NEVER been an Illuminati gesture, EVER. The rest of the "fighting the power" imagery relates more to her status as a pop artist than anything else.

Perception sculpting only matters if there's a means to the madness. If I prime you for an event, but that event never comes, that priming is worthless. In other words, unless you believe that the Illuminati are coming, there is no use to the priming.

Besides, I said nothing about brainwashing. I am simply saying that this theory, as with all such conspiracy theories, has absolutely zero evidence behind it. There is much more counterevidence than evidence. It is simply impossible to make a true argument for it, because if you pick and choose the symbols she puts forth to your side, you MUST ignore all the other meanings of the symbols, not to mention the rest of the symbols altogether.

And like I said, if the Illuminati really exist, they are doing a trash job of keeping their existence a secret. A group as theoretically powerful as they should not need to manipulate the lower masses with symbology if they already control the mass media as a whole. None of it makes sense.

[Strier]

There is no evidence of her using Illuminati symbols.
The aforementioned Freemason compass wasn't even the Freemason compass, but just a chevron. The "A-OK" symbol has NEVER been an Illuminati gesture, EVER. The rest of the "fighting the power" imagery relates more to her status as a pop artist than anything else.

Perception sculpting only matters if there's a means to the madness. If I prime you for an event, but that event never comes, that priming is worthless. In other words, unless you believe that the Illuminati are coming, there is no use to the priming.

Besides, I said nothing about brainwashing. I am simply saying that this theory, as with all such conspiracy theories, has absolutely zero evidence behind it. There is much more counterevidence than evidence. It is simply impossible to make a true argument for it, because if you pick and choose the symbols she puts forth to your side, you MUST ignore all the other meanings of the symbols, not to mention the rest of the symbols altogether.

And like I said, if the Illuminati really exist, they are doing a trash job of keeping their existence a secret. A group as theoretically powerful as they should not need to manipulate the lower masses with symbology if they already control the mass media as a whole. None of it makes sense.

The A-OK symbol is garbage as well i wish you'd stop choosing the far stretched ones instead of universal ones such as the single eye and rams head, the patterns and transitional color metaphors.
Freemason "^" one was a truely crap attempt as well, i had LOL'ed at that one a few months ago.

I'm not sure whether the runner of VigCiv is a troll or really that obsessed, but he isn't very accurate in the least bit.

My belief is of the New World Order, and Lady Gaga is the least of it all, one way or the other. There are a lot of things in events from the past decade that have led me to the conclusion... and a lot of that beforehand.

For instance, everything done by Hitler was legal....and that same power is one our own government can harness. Some people actually think that the Holocaust was an first step towards NWO.

A learning point from that is:
with force there comes resistance. Because of this, using force cannot grant as desirable of an efficiency.
The process that will lead to the least resistance is comparable to selective breeding.. with increasing the desired genes and waiting for the bad genes to recede....

Which itself is sorta comparable to what people believe the government is doing with JFK's sealed documents. Seal em for 60 years, so that anyone old enough to care about them is dead.

[Nome]

The Eye of Providence is a masonic symbol.
Only showing a single eye is not. That's something long-popularized as "cool", whether you want to look at James Bond villains, pirates, or scene/emo kids.

The ram's head/Baphomet is a symbol of the occult, not specifically the Illuminati or Freemasonry. The ENTIRE album, Fame Monster, evokes occult themes. That has nothing to do with whether or not Lady Gaga herself is promoting them. Look for the same things in MV's from her Fame album, and you will come up empty. I guarantee you that her next album, which will likely be another departure, will lack the occultism as well. In fact, ALL of the occult imagery found in Lady Gaga's recent work can be solely attributed to one, simple explanation:
Fame Album = fun side of fame.
Fame Monster Album = dark side of fame, explored through the metaphor of fame being a monster.

And no, not everything Hitler did was legal. That's why the Nazis were punished.

What is your next argument for me to debunk?

[coolmans]

Who was first the chicken or the egg mr nome?

[Nome]

Who was first the chicken or the egg mr nome?

Depends if you believe in creationism. If you do, the chicken.
Then it depends on a technicality.
If you are asking if the chicken or the chicken egg came first, then the answer is the chicken, for a chicken egg may only be laid by a chicken, but a chicken could've evolved from a non-chicken egg.
If you are asking if a chicken or the egg came first, then the answer is the egg, because the egg evolved before the chicken.

[coolmans]

I know you would play the creationism card. Chicken first then =(

[devilesk]

Depends if you believe in creationism. If you do, the chicken.
Then it depends on a technicality.
If you are asking if the chicken or the chicken egg came first, then the answer is the chicken, for a chicken egg may only be laid by a chicken, but a chicken could've evolved from a non-chicken egg.
If you are asking if a chicken or the egg came first, then the answer is the egg, because the egg evolved before the chicken.
In the evolution of nonchicken to chicken where do you draw the line and say this is a chicken? Is it at the chicken or the egg?

[Nome]

In the evolution of nonchicken to chicken where do you draw the line and say this is a chicken? Is it at the chicken or the egg?

The first chicken cannot hatch from a chicken egg. The first chicken hatches from the chicken's precursor's egg, as it is a genetic mutant.

So, it's at the chicken.

[coolmans]

In both theories the chicken comes first.

[Strier]

The Eye of Providence is a masonic symbol.
Only showing a single eye is not. That's something long-popularized as "cool", whether you want to look at James Bond villains, pirates, or scene/emo kids.

The ram's head/Baphomet is a symbol of the occult, not specifically the Illuminati or Freemasonry. The ENTIRE album, Fame Monster, evokes occult themes. That has nothing to do with whether or not Lady Gaga herself is promoting them. Look for the same things in MV's from her Fame album, and you will come up empty. I guarantee you that her next album, which will likely be another departure, will lack the occultism as well. In fact, ALL of the occult imagery found in Lady Gaga's recent work can be solely attributed to one, simple explanation:
Fame Album = fun side of fame.
Fame Monster Album = dark side of fame, explored through the metaphor of fame being a monster.

And no, not everything Hitler did was legal. That's why the Nazis were punished.

What is your next argument for me to debunk?

"i have 3 pennies, thats 3 cents"
"nope, this penny is just one cent, so this one, and the other one"

GOOD JOB, WE CAN DECONSTRUCT.

The Fame Monster itself has only minor occult themes and even less reason to apply masonic references in the videos and symbolics in performances. Regarding the Eye, no, just showing one eye is not, but to purposefully mask one eye and accentuate the other is another story...

lady g has people backing her up from behind the scenes, and to understand the whole picture, like i said earlier, you have to do better research than wikipedia and vigillantcitizen. There are a number of celebrities, and a number of amazing coincidences that happen, and seemingly pointless coverups *JFK*cough*

Otherwise, you're just counting your pennies seperately.

Nazi's were punished afterwards... the few cases that were made at the beginning were dropped quickly. If they had never lost, nobody would have been punished in the german legal system anyway.. Laws can, have been, and will be overwritten in a heartbeat. Its a piece of paper.

What's your next google skim read?

[RogerDodger]

Ivan Eht Nioj

[coolmans]

Ivan Eht Nioj


dneirflriG ednolB a daH i hsiW I.

[Nome]

"i have 3 pennies, thats 3 cents"
"nope, this penny is just one cent, so this one, and the other one"

GOOD JOB, WE CAN DECONSTRUCT.

The Fame Monster itself has only minor occult themes and even less reason to apply masonic references in the videos and symbolics in performances. Regarding the Eye, no, just showing one eye is not, but to purposefully mask one eye and accentuate the other is another story...

lady g has people backing her up from behind the scenes, and to understand the whole picture, like i said earlier, you have to do better research than wikipedia and vigillantcitizen. There are a number of celebrities, and a number of amazing coincidences that happen, and seemingly pointless coverups *JFK*cough*

Otherwise, you're just counting your pennies seperately.

Nazi's were punished afterwards... the few cases that were made at the beginning were dropped quickly. If they had never lost, nobody would have been punished in the german legal system anyway.. Laws can, have been, and will be overwritten in a heartbeat. Its a piece of paper.

What's your next google skim read?

1. The occult themes are not minor. As you yourself pointed out, there is a preponderance of invocations of Baphomet, symbolism of sacrifice, and evil.
2. To purposefully mask one eye and accentuate the other? In what fashion? Lady Gaga accentuates both eyes just as much as she accentuates a single one. There is no basis for your claim.
3. I am very easily confused with the proper evidence. If you say there is much more, then reveal it--otherwise, leave this debate.
4. You confuse legality with diplomacy. What the Nazis did was nowhere near legal in international courts. The reason they were brushed off in the beginning was due to diplomacy, Post-WWI hesitation, and a collective fear of angering a powerful war machine.

[Strier]

1. The occult themes are not minor. As you yourself pointed out, there is a preponderance of invocations of Baphomet, symbolism of sacrifice, and evil.
2. To purposefully mask one eye and accentuate the other? In what fashion? Lady Gaga accentuates both eyes just as much as she accentuates a single one. There is no basis for your claim.
3. I am very easily confused with the proper evidence. If you say there is much more, then reveal it--otherwise, leave this debate.
4. You confuse legality with diplomacy. What the Nazis did was nowhere near legal in international courts. The reason they were brushed off in the beginning was due to diplomacy, Post-WWI hesitation, and a collective fear of angering a powerful war machine.

1. occult themes in her songs are minor indeed. As you yourself are pointing out, the ones in her videos are not.
2. nope.
3. read up on it yourself. I'm not here to convert people, nor to act as an argumentative atheist. I don't have a problem with another person's view.

I prefer to live my life knowing that there is a backbone to the way the world is, whether not not gaga is involved doesn't make a difference in that. Pop culture is riddled with interference and is aimed to generalize the population, and Lady GaGa is a strong prescence. The symbols in pop culture videos aren't for screaming the illumni's involvement, they are placed there by choice. Bickering over technicalities is so pointless because the fact remains is that they are there.

4.international law and country laws are not the discussion. That's equal to state/federal law and is not the point either. It's legal to smoke pot in amsterdam but not in sweden. big whoop.

So if you are going to learn anything form all this posting, please let it be that not everything in the world runs off of proof and evidence. as i've said before quite a few times there will never be solid proof of many things in the world, and many of the world's "truths" that we all hold dear are nothing but theory.

Some things cannot be proved without a shadow of doubt, and at the same time they cannot be disproved for the same reasons.

If nothing else you should read the above because all you are doing is starting up a "god doesn't exist" rehash.

[Nome]

1. occult themes in her songs are minor indeed. As you yourself are pointing out, the ones in her videos are not.
2. nope.
3. read up on it yourself. I'm not here to convert people, nor to act as an argumentative atheist. I don't have a problem with another person's view.

I prefer to live my life knowing that there is a backbone to the way the world is, whether not not gaga is involved doesn't make a difference in that. Pop culture is riddled with interference and is aimed to generalize the population, and Lady GaGa is a strong prescence. The symbols in pop culture videos aren't for screaming the illumni's involvement, they are placed there by choice. Bickering over technicalities is so pointless because the fact remains is that they are there.

4.international law and country laws are not the discussion. That's equal to state/federal law and is not the point either. It's legal to smoke pot in amsterdam but not in sweden. big whoop.

So if you are going to learn anything form all this posting, please let it be that not everything in the world runs off of proof and evidence. as i've said before quite a few times there will never be solid proof of many things in the world, and many of the world's "truths" that we all hold dear are nothing but theory.

Some things cannot be proved without a shadow of doubt, and at the same time they cannot be disproved for the same reasons.

If nothing else you should read the above because all you are doing is starting up a "god doesn't exist" rehash.

I'm asking you to provide any solid evidence and you refuse to, instead telling me to look for it myself. I looked--I couldn't find any. So I'm asking you to. The more you evade, the less your argument's integrity.

[Kowz]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb155/kowzz/1266256597790-1.jpg

[LolMaliken]

tbh? skimmed this thread for illuminati (dissapointingly low references to nicholas cage) penis cents and compasses. lol@obama pic though

[Strier]

I'm asking you to provide any solid evidence and you refuse to, instead telling me to look for it myself. I looked--I couldn't find any. So I'm asking you to. The more you evade, the less your argument's integrity.

Your whole point is tits or gtfo. My point is that doesn't make anything more valid or less valid.

As for "solid evidence" there are many testimonials and less flamboyant articles on the illuminati. As i've been telling you for the last umpteen pages, it is a belief, and like i just posted, and you apparently didn't see



So if you are going to learn anything form all this posting, please let it be that not everything in the world runs off of proof and evidence. as i've said before quite a few times there will never be solid proof of many things in the world, and many of the world's "truths" that we all hold dear are nothing but theory.

Some things cannot be proved without a shadow of doubt, and at the same time they cannot be disproved for the same reasons.

If nothing else you should read the above because all you are doing is starting up a "god doesn't exist" rehash.

That is the moral to the illuminati story, and the redundancy of trying to argue against it.



Interest in the gaga theory comes after interest in the illuminati theory, and is all up for individual comprehension.




FUNNILY ENOUGH, that obama picture sums it all up in an exaggerated sense. With the exception of obama's obviously prosthetic arm, everything is a matter of perception. Prove everything right? Prove everything wrong?

You can't.