Enfeebler

[docterj208]

:Halberd: + :SnakeBracelet: + (:BolsteringArmband: or :Fleetfeet: or :ApprenticesRobe: ) + Recipe (500) = Enfeebler (4250)

Stats:

+25 damage
+ 6 STR
+ 6 AGI
+ 6 INT
+25% evasion
+30% chance to deal 50 physical damage and Weaken.

Adds Enfeeble to target on hit. Enfeeble is an Attack modifier and cannot stack with other Attack Modifiers.

Enfeeble
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Reduces enemy physical damage by 15%. Lasts 3 seconds, refreshing duration on hit.


Weakened
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Lower main attribute by 15%. Does not stack but will refresh duration.


Role:

Tanking/Anti Carry/Support item.

[docterj208]

feedback anyone?

[MADD411]

recipe needs to cost more for such a sweet effect.

[docterj208]

recipe needs to cost more for such a sweet effect.

upped the cost to 650, but, I wanted this to be a cheaper item :(

We'll see how things go for now.

[WackaWacka]

Well, personally I wouldn't use it. There are much better items for a tank that would make him tankier for this amount of cash. Theoretically, Legionaire could get Helm of the Black Legion and Portal Key for only 400g more. I feel like the attribute stealing thing is kind of tacked-on too. The -dmg seems good for the type of item you're going for, but why not make it a stacking thing? Like:

25% chance to deal 50 extra Physical damage and apply Enfeeble to enemy target.

Enfeeble
Reduces target's physical damage by 10%. Stacks up to 5 times.


Or something. That way, it more suits your Tank by awarding the hero for staying in a fight longer. I'm gonna hold my vote for now, but I can see where this is going. :D

[docterj208]

Well, the reason for this being better than say helm of the black legion is because it won't stop a Scout Flurry from disarming/critting you.

However, I definitely see your point. I might look into making this have STR stats instead of using Halbred, or just cheapin the cost by using a different weapon item (like bastard sword)

Btw, I would rather not have a % chance to put enfeeble on a target since doing that would give this item one of the same problems that hack was faced with, being both unreliable and hard for a STR hero to use since most STR heroes do not have a fast attack speed.

That is why it will always being applied. Also, while I mentioned that this is a tanking item, in its current form, pretty much any hero can use it (INT, AGI, or STR).

[WackaWacka]

Then what about changing it so that you get a 25% chance for +dmg and -armor on hit? Furthermore keeping your Enfeeble a 100% chance to reduce physical damage, but still make it stack? :D

The -armor would be like -3 or something small would do. It just adds to that "Enfeeble" name. I mean, after spending 4k, you want a good item, right? :madm:

[FiskOgHon]

There's potential in this. I think that WackaWacka has some good points though.

I haven't voted yet.

[docterj208]

well, I can put -armor, and make it stack, and reduce the initial cost.

A stacking orb is probably a good idea. I am just worried it is becoming too much like Andro's other AoE nuke.



Made enfeeble stack up to 3 times with a 10% damage reduction per stack. Also, instead of stealing main attribute, it will slow the target.

[yyr_]

I like it short and sweet.

[docterj208]

30% chance to lower target's main attribute by 15%.

That should hit them where it hurts :)

[Qwernakus]

Problem with this is that you have a mainly support effect, but with most of the gold in the recipe focused on damage. You want it to focus more on stats.

[BoundSoul]

nice idea, but its a little too cheap for such a sweet effect I guess...
By the way, is it an attack modifier? So It won't stack with shieldbreaker or slow items?

[docterj208]

nice idea, but its a little too cheap for such a sweet effect I guess...
By the way, is it an attack modifier? So It won't stack with shieldbreaker or slow items?

I originally had it as nothing, but, it might be a good idea to make it either an attack modifier or a exclusive modifier.

personally, I would rather it stack with slow, so I would make it an exclusive modifier, but, that might be a bit OP.

Lets just say its an attack modifier for now.

[docterj208]

Problem with this is that you have a mainly support effect, but with most of the gold in the recipe focused on damage. You want it to focus more on stats.

I agree with this statement. I am going to look into some more stat items instead of pure damage items.

Right now I am thinking about Icebrand instead of the Halbred for +STR and +AGI, but I might choose something else as well.

Another item I would consider would be whispering helm as I feel that would combine very well as a "drain strength" kind of item.

Or of course I could just throw in 3 major totems and call it a day lol.

But, that takes up way too many item slots in my opinion.

[Qwernakus]

Well, the Snake Bracelet is good... But maybe a glowstone or something like that for the rest? Maybe a blessed orb/that 10+ strength item?

[docterj208]

:Halberd: + :SnakeBracelet: + (:BolsteringArmband: or :Fleetfeet: or :ApprenticesRobe: ) + Recipe (500) = Enfeebler (4250)

Stats:

+25 damage
+ 6 STR
+ 6 AGI
+ 6 INT
+25% evasion
+30% chance to deal 50 physical damage and lower main attribute by 15%

Adds Enfeeble to target on hit. Enfeeble is an Attack modifier and cannot stack with other Attack Modifiers.

Enfeeble
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Reduces enemy physical damage by 10%. Stacks up to 3 times. Lasts 3 seconds, refreshing duration on hit.



Role:

Tanking/Anti Carry/Support item.

Potential new change.

[Specs]

you just added a blessed orb worth of stats into it for 950 gold.

[docterj208]

you just added a blessed orb worth of stats into it for 950 gold.


Whoops! was supposed to be +6 to each

[Qwernakus]

Thats more like it.

Voting yes.

[docterj208]

officially re-posted.

[Shadowedsoul]

The concept isn't bad, however... 3 stacks of -10% to auto-attack damage + a 15% reduction to main attribute = -45% to damage of your target. That is HUGE. One ranged hero with that thing could completely stop a carry (with only their auto-attack!!). It's just too much.

Maybe make it a 15% chance to reduce the attribute by 15%
and make the charges -5% each or something...

That would still be a very strong item, but much more in balance.

[docterj208]

The concept isn't bad, however... 3 stacks of -10% to auto-attack damage + a 15% reduction to main attribute = -45% to damage of your target. That is HUGE. One ranged hero with that thing could completely stop a carry (with only their auto-attack!!). It's just too much.

Maybe make it a 15% chance to reduce the attribute by 15%
and make the charges -5% each or something...

That would still be a very strong item, but much more in balance.

Thanks, I didn't consider the damage reduction from a main attribute perspective. I think I am going to make it so it lowers main attribute by 10%. I would like to make the proc chance high so it is helpful to STR heroes who don't have the highest attack speed (like Lego as opposed to Tiny)

Will probably lower standard Enfeeble to a max 20% damage. So that with weakened is 30% max. Does that sound more Balanced? I don't know as

Might do 25% max with weakened as well (keep stacks but use 5% per stack)

[Killroy]

I love the fact that you made an item with snake bracelet. We need more of that, just as the axe. Ok wild idea. Get :halberd: + :snakebracelet: + recipy (500) + 450 gold component. Every component gives you a 10% drop of the main stats. So at 1500 + 1800 + 500 + 1350 = 5150 you get

30% evasion
+ 6 str/agi/int
30% to deal 50 dam and drop all stats by 10%

If you only get :apprentice robe: then you only get +6 int and -10% int stats.

[docterj208]

I love the fact that you made an item with snake bracelet. We need more of that, just as the axe. Ok wild idea. Get :halberd: + :snakebracelet: + recipy (500) + 450 gold component. Every component gives you a 10% drop of the main stats. So at 1500 + 1800 + 500 + 1350 = 5150 you get

30% evasion
+ 6 str/agi/int
30% to deal 50 dam and drop all stats by 10%

If you only get :apprentice robe: then you only get +6 int and -10% int stats.


ummm... your math confuses me lol.

where did 1350 come from?

What happened to the damage bonus from proposed item? I R CONFUSED!!!!


Figured it out. But no.... basically, I don't want this to become a "buy recipe again" item.

[PowerOutage]

Enfeeble (-%damage) and Weaken (-%to main stat) should be on separate items, imo.

[SLASHER`]

Big t-up. I really like this concept and I would like to see snake bracelet used in something besides wingbow. This would be a very useful option in many situations. Nice.

[docterj208]

Hey No Voters,

Would you still vote no now?

[docterj208]

:SnakeBracelet: +:BolsteringArmband: + :Fleetfeet: + :ApprenticesRobe: = Enfeebler (3150)

Stats:

+ 8 STR
+ 8 AGI
+ 8 INT
+25% evasion

Adds Enfeeble to target on hit. Enfeeble is an Attack modifier and cannot stack with other Attack Modifiers.

Enfeeble
--------------------------
Reduces enemy physical damage by 15%. Lasts 3 seconds, refreshing duration on hit.

Role:

Tanking/Anti Carry/Support item.

How does this sound?

[PowerOutage]

Better! Now put it in a separate thread and i will vote it up.