Brutalizer + Geometer's

[painkiller`]

Back in DotA, making a Basher on Siren basically meant death in a 1v1 situation (For those who weren't there in the old days, Siren had an illusion spell, and passive crits. Bashing properties went to all the illusions, so you'd be permanently bashed in place).

I was wondering if that can be recreated in HoN using a :Brutalizer:+:GeometersBane: since there are no illusion heroes. I'm guessing it would be a ridiculously effective build on :mage:.

[ElementUser]

Brutalizer's item.entity:


<onattackimpact effectdescription="true" propagatetoillusions="false">Sorry to break your dreams. Bash only propagates to illusions when this line of code isn't present (ie, Pestilence's Gore, Rampage's Horned Strike)

[Kudryavka]

You can still make a Geometer's on Pesti if you want. It used to be pretty common to see it on Chronos till he got his bash reworked.

[MintPanda1]

It never propogated to illusions in DotA either. Basher's animation simply appeared, but the unit was never actually stunned.

[painkiller`]

It never propogated to illusions in DotA either. Basher's animation simply appeared, but the unit was never actually stunned.

I stopped playing around 6.54-55, and I have replays to vouch for the fact that both Chaos Knight/Siren could permabash you with Bashers. I'm not talking about Manta illusions. Never tried this strat with that item.

ElementUser > The description of :GeometersBane: says:


Spawn 2 Illusions of self. The illusions take 3.5 times normal damage, deal 33% of your attack damage, and inherit properties from you. The Illusions have a 20 second life time.

Misleading then, isn't it?

Edit: Maybe not misleading, since it says "from you" and not "from you and your items". But hey, I was just thinking.

[Vagina]

I see what you are getting at but it seems kind of silly OP if you can do that on near every melee hero and have permabashes. Even on say, blacksmith, it would be ridiculous, despite not really being a carry you are bashed for so long that it would be difficult to act. Good thinking though!

[painkiller`]

I see what you are getting at but it seems kind of silly OP if you can do that on near every melee hero and have permabashes. Even on say, blacksmith, it would be ridiculous, despite not really being a carry you are bashed for so long that it would be difficult to act. Good thinking though!

I think the developers saw it coming and made it impossible :)

[MintPanda1]

I was wondering if that can be recreated in HoN using a :Brutalizer:+:GeometersBane:


I'm not talking about Manta illusions. Never tried this strat with that item.

Okay.....

[Maesil]

I stopped playing around 6.54-55, and I have replays to vouch for the fact that both Chaos Knight/Siren could permabash you with Bashers. I'm not talking about Manta illusions. Never tried this strat with that item..

never happened

[pyr0teknyx]

DotA Images could never bash. One of two situations can occur.
1) Hero procs a bash first, and the target is stunned. If an image were to proc a 'bash', the original bash effect would be extended, essentially refreshing the bash duration. So yes, there are some, very rare situations where you could do some form of perm bashing.
HOWEVER
2) The image procs a bash first. The stunned effect and status is 'fake applied', to which the target is not stunned whatsoever. Now if you were to bash when a 'fake bash' is on the target, you reset the 'fake bash' trigger, and continue to not stun a ****ing thing. This is the scenario about 75%+ of the time (since on mentioned heroes its 3+ images to 1 hero, so shitty math aside 3 out of 4 hits are from an image). Its why basher is the absolute worst item for Phantom Lancer, since he has at least 6 or 7 images out, which all have the chance to fake proc a bash, screwing you chances over.

[ElementUser]

I stopped playing around 6.54-55, and I have replays to vouch for the fact that both Chaos Knight/Siren could permabash you with Bashers. I'm not talking about Manta illusions. Never tried this strat with that item.

ElementUser > The description of :GeometersBane: says:

Misleading then, isn't it?

Edit: Maybe not misleading, since it says "from you" and not "from you and your items". But hey, I was just thinking.

In DotA "fake bash" mechanics occur where they prolong your real bash (but they don't actually bash themselves without a real bash helping), so it's rather unreliable - but potentially devastating if you're lucky. This doesn't exist in HoN.

Tooltips are always misleading, which is why I almost never use them as an argument in Mechanics. Sometimes though if the tooltip says the skill should do something & it doesn't, then it's a potential bug (but not in this case). The code is always much more concrete piece of evidence

1 valid case would be Engineer's Tinker tooltip saying that enemy Siege units would explode for AoE damage if they don't die when Tinker debuff duration expires, but it doesn't actually deal AoE damage until next patch (where it will be fixed).

P.S. It doesn't work on Chronos' new bash because it has the propogatetoillusions=false line