Get rid of the kick system.

[Pompidom]

Get rid of the kick system, Plain and simple. Once the game started, everyone agreed to play with these players. The match has started, the rules have been set. Custom kick has been the worst thing for Dota ever created. It completely ruined public Dota before LC.

Now I have 5 "disconnects" by getting booted a bunch of scrubs that think this is a free version of wow.

Don't let it come to this. No kicks whatsoever. If someone starts sucking real bad. Then eat it. you agreed to play. Then finish it.

Or build in security measures. Kicking is only possible if he's lowest level/lowest performance ingame.
And get a fix on the stats measures. if you're kicked, the kicked player must be compensated. NO ****ing disconnect stat +1.

So far the kick system only causes more harm then good. So far the only thing the kick system is being used for is to kick the overpowered players who go on a killing spree and then get kicked by the losing enemy team and his noob teammates that can't get any kills cus they're too retarded.

[Sai]

Kicks don't go on your leave record.

[Kaidyn]

I've never seen anyone kicked just for doing well.

Stop making up excuses, if 9 people want to kick you, you're obvious doing something wrong.

[Nome]

I've never seen anyone kicked just for doing well.

Stop making up excuses, if 9 people want to kick you, you're obvious doing something wrong.

This.

Maybe you should try playing with people your skill level, etc.
Well-mannered players never get kicked.

[norak]

Would think that being kicked 5 times should work as a eye-opener, but I guess not.

[Temptation]

Get rid of the kick system, Plain and simple. Once the game started, everyone agreed to play with these players. The match has started, the rules have been set. Custom kick has been the worst thing for Dota ever created. It completely ruined public Dota before LC.

Now I have 5 "disconnects" by getting booted a bunch of scrubs that think this is a free version of wow.



lol so five different groups of people decided you needed to go? Im not surprised you want to get rid of the kick, you're the reason we need a better kick system.

AKA a kick system which doesn't require the other team to accept because they will never kick a feeder and cant hear/read group chat if someone is harassing people. As long as the entire group wants to kick someone on their team that should be enough. Plain and simple.

[zazen]

I never got kicked. If you got kicked 5 times, you're doing something wrong.
Kick system is fine.

[Lincoln2]

Actually, I've been kicked for owning. The team I was on was a group of 4 friends. One of them was just a jerk, and he got his friends to comply. Obviously, the other team wanted me out for owning.

My team complained that I was feeding by going off alone to push the lanes, then when I pointed out that even with my "feeding" I still had less deaths than anyone else in the entire game, they started getting onto me to not being in team battles. Long story short, I got kicked by a bunch of kids that couldn't think of anything better to do and I hate being the 5th man of a premade that I'm not friends with.

And yes, it does go on record =/

What's funny about it all, is that he tried to kick me at least 10 times throughout the game. Once we were definitely done for, he voted to kick me and it went through, right before our base got destroyed.

[Prosthetics]

This.

Maybe you should try playing with people your skill level, etc.
Well-mannered players never get kicked.


I respectfully disagree with this. Many times have I seen players who were good the start of the game, then slipped and had many voted started to boot them.

One game I can remember happened just yesterday. Thunderbringer, aka Zeus in dota, was doing well against my team early (figures), but then he started to die to us frequently (figures as well), and his team started about 10 votes in attempt to boot him, complaining how he's a feeder, lest they forget though it was because of him they lasted until that moment of the game. Fact is, players will try to boot anyone for the hell of it, not if they are ill mannered.

[Netukka]

I've never seen anyone kicked just for doing well.

Stop making up excuses, if 9 people want to kick you, you're obvious doing something wrong.
I just got kicked from a game with Legion having 5 clan mates, while HB had 2 friends and 3 randoms (me being one of the randoms) and I was at 19/0 stats. Apparently I wasnt allowed to buy any items with my 7k gold and the instant I went to base for the first time in 20 minutes, I was deemed "prolonging the game" by my teammates and I got instantly kicked. And no, I wasnt being rude to anyone, actually being very silent and not stealing any kills etc.

Thats just how the world goes around -_-

[jammit]

read my post about what i think with kicks

[Pompidom]

bump.

So far it has become 7 kicks. 7 games dominated by retards unable to kill anything.

Funny **** that in every of these games I'm running around with 1 or 2 doombringers farmed under 20 mins. I'm having stats aka 20 - 0.
My entire enemy team can't kill anyone for ****. And whole game long they keep spamming the kick feature.

Everyone agrees simply because they're retards. The enemy team is losing hardcore getting farmed up by me. And your own team of retards simply agree cause there are no consequences for kicking somebody. And they want the precious tier 4 items I'm carrying around.

It starts with your noobteammate in your lane: Can I have some creep kills too I need money.
**** you learn to lasthit.

Stop farming !!
What farming? I'm hero farming. Get lost noob.


It's simple, the kick system does more wrong then good.
Disable to kick system under human control.

Make it an automated kick system.

Destroying your own items? -> KICK
AFK? -> KICK

For the rest there isn't ANY reason to kick ANYONE. EVER.

You agreed to play with these 5 vs 5 people. Then finish it or concede.

[alex28]

Cmon, custom kick and VOTE KICK is not THE SAME!!!
If 9 people think you`re a retard, you are one. Deal with it.

[Mezzlock]

Kick is fine, if anything it should be team vote only, so you can kick the retard feeder that the other team farms on

[berk_]

Kicks don't go on your leave record.


Yes, they do.


I've never seen anyone kicked just for doing well.

Stop making up excuses, if 9 people want to kick you, you're obvious doing something wrong.


**** happens. Yesterday I was kicked from a game that my team was obviously winning. The enemy was screwing around and calling kickvotes on themselves, so my teammates started trying to thumbs up all the votes. Then one of the enemies called a kickvote on me, and my entire team stupidly thumbs upped, thinking it was a kickvote for somebody on the other team (like the last 10 had been). I got kicked, and the enemy team turned the game around 5v4. I got a loss and a Leave on my record.


You should only be able to kick your own teammates - the other team shouldn't get to vote. This makes sense, too, because under the current system, if one of your teammates is trolling/feeding, the enemy team will want him to continue doing so. That means that you can't boot people, because the enemy team's interests (winning) conflict with yours (winning) and they can easily veto the vote with a single "No".


Kick is fine, if anything it should be team vote only, so you can kick the retard feeder that the other team farms on

Agreed

[HeavySoul]

Kick is fine. I find it tough to believe that 7 different groups of your teammates agreed to kick you solely for being uber. If you weren't treating them poorly and that was the case - then you ARE the exception.


You should only be able to kick your own teammates - the other team shouldn't get to vote. This makes sense, too, because under the current system, if one of your teammates is trolling/feeding, the enemy team will want him to continue doing so. That means that you can't boot people, because the enemy team's interests (winning) conflict with yours (winning) and they can easily veto the vote with a single "No".Agreed. There needs to be a way to kick people for gamekilling. @Pompidom, this would also solve kick votes being started by the other team for whatever reason.

I don't think kicks should count as leaves...or at least not at a 1-1 ratio. I have seen votes called to kick simply because the other 4 team members were friends and chose to blame the one player they didn't know for their troubles rather than their own poor decisions.

How about 3 kicks=1 leave/disconnect?

PS- Add a poll 1)Remove kick 2)Change kick 3)No change

[Pompidom]

Cmon, custom kick and VOTE KICK is not THE SAME!!!
If 9 people think you`re a retard, you are one. Deal with it.


In this whole thread, you are the retard.

Human controlled kickvote system = fail.

End of dicussion. If 9 people agree to kick you, it's because they're retards and they can. That's it. I always agree to kick people as well. More items for me. I don't ****ing care if they're good or not. I'm simply better.

[Pompidom]

Kick is fine. I find it tough to believe that 7 different groups of your teammates agreed to kick you solely for being uber. If you weren't treating them poorly and that was the case - then you ARE the exception.

Agreed. There needs to be a way to kick people for gamekilling. @Pompidom, this would also solve kick votes being started by the other team for whatever reason.

I don't think kicks should count as leaves...or at least not at a 1-1 ratio. I have seen votes called to kick simply because the other 4 team members were friends and chose to blame the one player they didn't know for their troubles rather than their own poor decisions.

How about 3 kicks=1 leave/disconnect?

PS- Add a poll 1)Remove kick 2)Change kick 3)No change


Just watch the replays. Says enough. But nobody is gonna do that.

The only question S2 should ask themselves: Does the kick system work?
No it doesn't.

Has there ever been a kick system implemented in Dota?
No there hasn't. For good reasons like these ones.


No discussion, no compromises. The only way I agree for an implemented kick system is, if it works. It clearly doesn't.

[HeavySoul]

How can I watch replays? Is that even possible?

[thomasdh]

i agree re-eddit it or something because ive got 3 dc's cause of kicks
you dont want to concend beause you got 15-1 .. duh
your team wants so they call a vote-kick to you thats 4/9 now the other team isnt that dumb there like ... those tards kicked there main carry ... FREE WIN 9/9 cia!

that i get kicked i dont rly care that bad but that it counts as a leave ... that just unfair

[sakatana]

If you're owning so hard, stop playing noobs only.

[Terminator25]

Human controlled kick = fail most of the times.
Custom Kick was a excellent tool in the right hands, a destructive tool to every tool out there (and there are plenty).

Although I would agree that opposing team should have no word on it as they don't know what he is doing and how he behaves to the rest of his team.
On the other hand some teammates are saying yes because they don't care and 1 of the team really wants 1 out.

For example my only kick: I was Magebane laning down along with a "pro". He dies 2-3 times on the opposing team before lvl 5. You know as a magebane I am not really the hero killer at early game and by assisting his crazy suicides would result on me making more trips on fountain, losing exp and money (If I thought a kill was possible I would have blinded in). But he kept calling me a noob (while I remained calmed and explained him that I couldn't help him) and he spend more time on chatting that actually playing. Then he started a vote kick for me (not lvl 6 yet and I didn't die not even once). All said yes, even though he was the only one "harrassing" me. The other didn't care, just went along.

Unfortunately any human controlled kick will have many weak spots. The only thing they can at least do is the kick to not count as disconnect as the others want you out, you still want to play. You may get disconnects for no real reason from that. And again this may be abused by friends kicking a friend of theres that has to go, so he doesn't get a disconnect. A common ground must be found (Maybe be eligibled for a kick at the first 5 mins of the game or when you reach a certain Kill/Deaths ratio?).

[Gabe]

Just watch the replays. Says enough. But nobody is gonna do that.

The only question S2 should ask themselves: Does the kick system work?
No it doesn't.

Kick system seems to work fine, 9 people vote to kick someone and he's gone.

Has there ever been a kick system implemented in Dota?
No there hasn't. For good reasons like these ones.

I'm pretty sure since DotA was simply a custom map of Wc3, it did not have this type of function available, correct me if i'm wrong.

No discussion, no compromises. The only way I agree for an implemented kick system is, if it works. It clearly doesn't.

Seems to work fine.
Stop being butthurt, I've never heard of someone being kicked 9 times before; there's obviously a problem you're not fixing.

I obviously know what you mean about the vote kicking, but i guess you don't know what S2 means. It was created to give players the opportunity to get rid of game ruiners so they can continue with a "good game". This option is available as S2 has intended. Why do you keep saying it doesn't work?
From a utilitarian point of view, I'd rather see griefers and intentional feeders being kicked and run the risk of players doing well being kicked. Let's face it, who's more likely to get kicked? players doing well or players ruining a game?

Suck it up, it's not like stats mean anything. Just relax and bask in the fact that you got kicked because you were too good for the other players (assuming what you've said was all true).

And for you to continually dominate with stats like 19-0 should tell you something. I've never seen stats like that besides... oh yeah, noob games. Join a higher rated game k.

[Gwynz]

If 9 people think you`re a retard, you are one. Deal with it.
Someone needs to take a psychology class!

[Disgaea]

It definitely should not count towards leaves, those stay with you forever. the number of mean spirited people is too great....

I suggest a leaver count on your stats, how many times you were kicked within the last week/month? It shouldn't be a permanent thing, some of us are unluckier than others. But at the same time a griefer should be able to be identified and dealt with as others see fit.

Other than that suggestion I'm on the fence between team votes and all votes, I cannot think of a good way to make the kicks themselves work, only make them less B.S.

[Jofarin]

Why not just don't let it add to the disconnect stat?
I'm new to the game and made some mistakes at the beginning. So I fell back in levels and tried my best by jungling to get it up without beeing ganked. Not having the best jungling hero and beeing new to the game I didn't catch up to the others, but at least stopped feeding. Then the team battles began, I died first two times and was kicked (obviously because I was new to the game)... Why do I get a disconnect???

[hackman5000]

bump.

So far it has become 7 kicks. 7 games dominated by retards unable to kill anything.

Funny **** that in every of these games I'm running around with 1 or 2 doombringers farmed under 20 mins. I'm having stats aka 20 - 0.
My entire enemy team can't kill anyone for ****. And whole game long they keep spamming the kick feature.

Everyone agrees simply because they're retards. The enemy team is losing hardcore getting farmed up by me. And your own team of retards simply agree cause there are no consequences for kicking somebody. And they want the precious tier 4 items I'm carrying around.

It starts with your noobteammate in your lane: Can I have some creep kills too I need money.
**** you learn to lasthit.

Stop farming !!
What farming? I'm hero farming. Get lost noob.


It's simple, the kick system does more wrong then good.
Disable to kick system under human control.

Make it an automated kick system.

Destroying your own items? -> KICK
AFK? -> KICK

For the rest there isn't ANY reason to kick ANYONE. EVER.

You agreed to play with these 5 vs 5 people. Then finish it or concede.



This post sure says a lot about you and why you have been kicked so many times. First, your excessive use of the word "retard", your swearing, and overall aggressive attitude pretty much tells me you deserved every kick you got. Someone says something non-offensive to you and your response is arrogant and uppity. You claim to have near 15k in items at the 20min mark (and by the sound of it, in EVERY game) while also being 20-0, then you claim you are the sole powerhouse of your team, while the rest of them are just lucky enough to bask in your glory and covet your precious items.

The kick system was definitely invented for people like you. And please check my stats and use that as some kind of terrible counter argument about how I wouldn't know anything because I suck (yep you guessed it, my stats are bad), because insulting a person's intelligence/skill rather than using logic is probably the only way you think you can win an argument.

[Kowzorz]

This post sure says a lot about you and why you have been kicked so many times. First, your excessive use of the word "retard", your swearing, and overall aggressive attitude pretty much tells me you deserved every kick you got. Someone says something non-offensive to you and your response is arrogant and uppity. You claim to have near 15k in items at the 20min mark (and by the sound of it, in EVERY game) while also being 20-0, then you claim you are the sole powerhouse of your team, while the rest of them are just lucky enough to bask in your glory and covet your precious items.

The kick system was definitely invented for people like you. And please check my stats and use that as some kind of terrible counter argument about how I wouldn't know anything because I suck (yep you guessed it, my stats are bad), because insulting a person's intelligence/skill rather than using logic is probably the only way you think you can win an argument.I agree wholeheartedly, my African American brother!


If you've been kicked 9 times, there's a pattern here. What's the only thing in common between all of those games? You.

[Dranock]

This.

Maybe you should try playing with people your skill level, etc.
Well-mannered players never get kicked.
Double this

[wardn]

This post sure says a lot about you and why you have been kicked so many times. First, your excessive use of the word "retard", your swearing, and overall aggressive attitude pretty much tells me you deserved every kick you got. Someone says something non-offensive to you and your response is arrogant and uppity. You claim to have near 15k in items at the 20min mark (and by the sound of it, in EVERY game) while also being 20-0, then you claim you are the sole powerhouse of your team, while the rest of them are just lucky enough to bask in your glory and covet your precious items.

The kick system was definitely invented for people like you. And please check my stats and use that as some kind of terrible counter argument about how I wouldn't know anything because I suck (yep you guessed it, my stats are bad), because insulting a person's intelligence/skill rather than using logic is probably the only way you think you can win an argument.

Hes putting a perspective accross mate. Theres no need to bag him.

And yes the kick system needs to be fixed so it dosnt imply you left a game, thus resulting in +% Disconnects.

[GodMode`]

**** the kick system, I WENT 19-2 in a game 1 hour n 30 mins. Then my team thought it would be funny to vote kick me and it happened. JESUS remove the kick system.

[Sadhe]

– Kicks and Disconnects should be 2 different stats.
– Voting to kick someone on your team should not require the other teams consent.
– Show who fails a vote and who didn't vote.

There will be abuse, but I bet most of the cases a kick will happen, it will be necessary, since you need to be able to kick various individiuals that waste their own and your time by ruining a match.

Furthermore, I'd like an advanced option allowing the host to get a vote through, even if all others disagreed (or something similar). Sometimes it's just impossible to get a reasonable vote through.

The simple solution to all problems of the system is the banlist (or not joining games with the above advanced option).

I could list several examples where the current vote system just failed to do what it needs to do.