Why Frostburn on slither?!

[Leetard179]

Ok....

lately i have seen alot of slither players grab frostburn and its even on the reccomended tab. While frostburn isnt bad of an item (especially on squishy slither), Toxicity is an attack modifier which means it doesnt stack with it.

Meaning the slow on it is absolutely wasted. Why do people continue to build it instead of geos?

I like to go ghosts, 2 bracers, geos and then wingbow

[pwnz0r123]

i don't get it myself nor have i seen much people get it.
but i suppose some people like to switch between frost/toxicity.
or of course there are people that just get it cause they're in love with frostburn.
not to mention the recommended item list is terrible.

[Control`]

bottle, bracers, boots, early sotm, gg

[ZVZD]

SoTM / Diffusal blade ftw.

[Drasha]

i would like to say its because they are rotating their modifiers for both effects like pros but odds are they are just bad and get frostburn on every hero.

[wrajjt]

Because frostburn gives a lil of everything needed to a pusher. Msped, hp, aspd and damage. Oh, and a slightly better snare.

That said, I go geometers after the usual steamboots/bracer/bracer/nomes instead, feel that i have enough hp.

[RogerDodger]

Frostburn gives 5% more slow than toxicity

The simple answer is because they're bad

[LadyGaga]

Well, he doesn't really need the slow. Maybe they get it for the attack speed?

[omar954]

i like to go treads/ghost - nomes - headress - geo

[iaguz]

Because it's the best item in the game. Duh.

Ok, if people get frostburn on a non carry the smart money says they have no clue what the hell they are doing. They might, it might all be part of a cunning plan, but really they don't. It's becase they have boots and bottle and they have no fking clue what to actually get so they get that because everyone gets it now because it's great and becauase they'er playing an agi character.

Honestly I'd prefer it if slither were an int hero (he plays and feels like one already!) so people would never think of getting items like frostburn on him, but alas.

[Mindfucked1]

my slither build:
boots, nomes, astrolabe, a shitload of wards, geometers (later only), should the game still last: sotm/heart

yes laugh at me, i play warding support slither :(

[Marylinn]

I think people just get it because it's on the recommended tab for Slither. I always wondered WHY it's there, but I guess they just needed SOMETHING to put on the page?

I mean, if you look at his recommended tab, they were so desperate they put things like Minor Totem, Homecoming Stone, Mana/Health Potions, etc.


Usually when I play Slither, I get stuck playing mid, which means I get courier, a set of wards, and then ship myself a bottle which I use to solo Kongor at the first possible opportunity. From there it's boots of choice (I like Steamboots/Plated, later on Post Haste) followed by either Staff of the Master or Behemoth's Heart.

[ImASurgeon]

Shroud (lame, yet is an amazing escape mechanism) and then Geo for late game.

[Distort3d]

my slither build:
boots, nomes, astrolabe, a shitload of wards, geometers (later only), should the game still last: sotm/heart

yes laugh at me, i play warding support slither :(

Nomes and astrolabe are bad on slither. He doesn't have the mana to support spamming astrolabe.

I get enhanced marchers, portkey, bottle or power supply instead.

[Afasia]

nomes --> post haste. with any sort of healer you are unkillable and have the best chase in the game.

[Isin]

Nome's, Armor Boots and Puzzlebox is the way to go. :slit::slit::slit:


Most people don't understand why, but normally I put Sustainer > Runed Axe on Slither.

*Insert tons of people screaming about wasted gold, cleave, etc*.

The reason is that it's a solid progression from Sustainer which gives you a massive mana boost. If you are good at pushing and killing towers, your gold stats will justify getting Runed as a pure damage bonus. Remember that the average hero in the span of a game will generate about 200-250 gold per minute, but as Slither or Tempest you can easily generate 350-400+ gold per minute (which justifies buying items you normally wouldn't).

Then you can get Riftshards and Wingbow and hit and run for free kills.

So I'll build (even though people will be yelling at me the whole game)

Ghost Marchers > Sustainer/Runed Axe/Riftshards/Wingbow/Anything else.

Sometimes I'll build Riftshards and just leave Sustainer as Sustainer until late game. It depends upon the duration of the game and how well we're doing.

(OT) I lol'd at your sig. Chronos has so many counters.

[Urizen]

Slither needs some HP to gank effectively as his dps is all over time - additionally wards already apply the 10% speed debuff, so frostburn applies your own 15% on top of that which makes them even slower AND adds some hp/speed on top to boot

[china]

All the games I've lost are the result of me not having friends to carry me to some illegitimate score. I wish I could be a clan player.

I have 2 pub smurfs I play on my own that have 1700+ PSR, 1 that has 1600+ PSR.

Players who legitimately say that their team is dragging them down from merely BREAKING 1600 PSR, are essentially bad and require more games under their belts to un-bad themselves.

That is the truth.

[x719x]

I have 2 pub smurfs I play on my own that have 1700+ PSR, 1 that has 1600+ PSR.

Players who legitimately say that their team is dragging them down from merely BREAKING 1600 PSR, are essentially bad and require more games under their belts to un-bad themselves.

That is the truth.

No, that's a horrible lie that you've tricked yourself into believing because you are naturally a popular, socially acceptable person (you're a moderator, which can't be accomplished without massive social status and popularity).

I, on the other hand, am not.

Why are there tons of 1600s with sub 1.0 KDRs, and lots of 1200s with 1.5+?

The answer is simple, PSR is based on if your team did something stupid or not.

If you have a sub .6 KDR player on your team, you're probably going to lose.

If you have all 1.0+ KDR players on your team, you're probably going to win.

I guarantee that 5 players with 1.5 KDRs and 1200 PSR could easily beat 5 players with 1600 PSR and .8 KDRs.

I will bet ANYTHING on it.

Someone who goes 4-12 (.33~) and still wins can never understand. (http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=32327473)

[Yoda``]

Most people don't understand why, but normally I put Sustainer > Runed Axe on Slither.

*Insert tons of people screaming about wasted gold, cleave, etc*.

The reason is that it's a solid progression from Sustainer which gives you a massive mana boost. If you are good at pushing and killing towers, your gold stats will justify getting Runed as a pure damage bonus. Remember that the average hero in the span of a game will generate about 200-250 gold per minute, but as Slither or Tempest you can easily generate 350-400+ gold per minute (which justifies buying items you normally wouldn't).

Then you can get Riftshards and Wingbow and hit and run for free kills.

So I'll build (even though people will be yelling at me the whole game)

Ghost Marchers > Sustainer/Runed Axe/Riftshards/Wingbow/Anything else.

Sometimes I'll build Riftshards and just leave Sustainer as Sustainer until late game. It depends upon the duration of the game and how well we're doing.

1. Runed Axe is very bad for Slither. If you want mana regen, go nomes. If you want damage, go geomancer or shroud or charged hammer.
2. Riftshards is very bad for most heroes and especially Slither. He has amazing dots and chasing abilities very early. He doesn't need damage until late game.
3. I think Slither needs the HP from Steamboots or the mitigation from plated greaves. His passive slow makes him an amazing chaser without needing steamboots. If you need more run speed : Geomancer.
4. PSR means something since you're 1400 and give terrible advice. I pub and am 1630-1680 with twice your ratio (and could probably hold 3+ at 1400). The only factor different between my pubs and your pubs is me and you. Therefor logic tells me your sig is wrong.
5. KDR is not a good indicator of how good you are. A player who plays Jereziah at top levels might end up with .5 kd but he makes his team win and is able to win at 1900. A player who plays Scout at 1200 and just KS all game will make his team lose, although keeping a high KDR.

Please don't give advices and listen to players in game commenting on your build. Getting kicked should be a good indicator.

[x719x]

Also, if you look at F8's account, it appears that he started at 1700 and not at 1500 like everyone else (http://stats.maide.ca/players/view/F8) as there are no records of him playing any games at 1500.

[x719x]

1. Runed Axe is very bad for Slither. If you want mana regen, go nomes. If you want damage, go geomancer or shroud or charged hammer.
2. Riftshards is very bad for most heroes and especially Slither. He has amazing dots and chasing abilities very early. He doesn't need damage until late game.
3. I think Slither needs the HP from Steamboots or the mitigation from plated greaves. His passive slow makes him an amazing chaser without needing steamboots. If you need more run speed : Geomancer.

He needs as much damage as he can get to prevent his teammates from KSing him. Those kills are mine, I worked for them. You think I trust people in a pub? Yeah right.

If I had any friends my build probably would be entirely different. But I don't, so I roll items that will make sure I get credit for my work, even if my team fails.

[Feedbath]

(http://stats.maide.ca/players/view/tikinmelvin)

[Feedbath]

http://stats.maide.ca/players/view/tikinmelvin is hard.

[Yoda``]

Slither has low base damage. It's tough to creep deny for the same reason that it's difficult to creep deny with Valkyrie, for example.

You make up for the lack of denies by killing more of the enemy creeps. A good Slither can hold the other team's mid to less than 10 denies for the entire game (that's even counting the late game stat boosting 'denies' that happen after laning is over).

A good Slither is better placed as a support to harass and let the melee carry farm. Hit once every few sec, split them away from the creeps once they're low and don't let them regen from trees by reapplying your dot.

[x719x]

1. Runed Axe is very bad for Slither. If you want mana regen, go nomes. If you want damage, go geomancer or shroud or charged hammer.
2. Riftshards is very bad for most heroes and especially Slither. He has amazing dots and chasing abilities very early. He doesn't need damage until late game.
3. I think Slither needs the HP from Steamboots or the mitigation from plated greaves. His passive slow makes him an amazing chaser without needing steamboots. If you need more run speed : Geomancer.
4. PSR means something since you're 1400 and give terrible advice. I pub and am 1630-1680 with twice your ratio (and could probably hold 3+ at 1400). The only factor different between my pubs and your pubs is me and you. Therefor logic tells me your sig is wrong.
5. KDR is not a good indicator of how good you are. A player who plays Jereziah at top levels might end up with .5 kd but he makes his team win and is able to win at 1900. A player who plays Scout at 1200 and just KS all game will make his team lose, although keeping a high KDR.

Please don't give advices and listen to players in game commenting on your build. Getting kicked should be a good indicator.

People don't get kicked because they're bad. The other team will vote against it if a player is bad, to keep that person in the game.

Getting kicked is a sign that you're GOOD. No vote against a bad player (0-10) will ever pass. Try it.

[RogerDodger]

/bl add x719x

Not that it matters since I won't find him in a non-em game.

[x719x]

Look at my last game I posted. I was even almost able to carry those ridiculous failures on my team to a win even when purple was 0-4 within the first two minutes.

Not only am I awesome, I'm American... USA is the best country in the entire world, we are the true home of competition on every level and a lot of people hate that.

If you even say that you're from the USA, and you're playing on US West, you might get kicked off your own server. How awesome is that?

[Yoda``]

Since only your team can vote to kick you... chances are you're either a pain in the ass to play with (very probable) or just terribly bad.

You clearly don't know anything on how to play Slither and its very sad cause he's a great ganker / support hero.

[NameDoesntFi]

Dear 719,
You're so good.
-Sandwiches

There. Now that he's heard what he wanted to hear.
Lets carry on.

[x719x]

Since only your team can vote to kick you... chances are you're either a pain in the ass to play with (very probable) or just terribly bad.

You clearly don't know anything on how to play Slither and its very sad cause he's a great ganker / support hero.

I'm great to play with, so long as we don't have someone going 0-4 in the first 5 minutes, which is over 80% of the games I've played across all of my accounts.

If that happens, all bets are off and I'm going to do what is best to salvage my KDR and statistics, it isn't my fault that my team decided to level 2 suicide rush past the enemy tower.

[jerk`n]

Slither is meant to be THE CARRY
Please drown yourself, your stupidity is beyond comprehension and you are making bad players even worse.

In short, you are retarded.

Go back to 1300+ APEM

[Emiya]

Off topic: I'll partially agree with 719 in that psr is quite a bit dictated by how many friends you have / how lucky you are to not get a feeder / pubstomper. Back when my buds and I played all the time, I had around 1650+ psr. When I stopped playing with them I went down to the mid 1500's. Its been a sad month indeed.
Having said that, a person with 1600 psr is probably better than one with 1300 psr... I may see a slither with frostburn in 1600 psr games, but no runed axe, thank god.

On topic:
1. Pick agi carry
2. Vote kick slither with frostburn
4. ???
5. Profit.

[RogerDodger]

x719x is 1400 from playing -em we should all listen to his sagely advice since he's clearly a capable and successful player.

[jerk`n]

x719x is 1400 from playing -em we should all listen to his sagely advice since he's clearly a capable and successful player.

If you are not careful with your slanderous words you will soon be challenged to a 1v1 APEM nogloves nobuffs nopets and will surely lose to a slither with Runed Axe and Riftshards.

[Leetard179]

inb4 lock on my own thread

[Drasha]

yes i think its lock time.

[RogerDodger]

inb4 lock