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hykleri
03-14-2010, 01:05 AM
It is a very common program in the TF2 scene, and i don't get it why everyone using ventri or ts instead of mumble.

Mumble is an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming.

What is Mumble?
Mumble is a voice chat application for groups. While it can be used for any kind of activity, it is primarily intended for gaming. It can be compared to programs like Ventrilo or TeamSpeak. People tend to simplify things, so when they talk about Mumble they either talk about "Mumble" the client application or about "Mumble & Murmur" the whole voice chat application suite.

What platforms does it run on?
The client, Mumble, runs on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
The server component, Murmur, should run on anything you can compile Qt 4 on.

What makes Mumble better?
Mumble has very low latency combined with good sound quality; it uses CELT (http://www.celt-codec.org/) and Speex (http://www.speex.org/), not just the voice compression technology, but also the voice preprocessing to remove noise and improve clarity. Mumble also has positional audio (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Games#Positional_audio) for supported games, meaning the other players' voice will come from the direction their character is in game.

So basically, mumble has lower latency, and better soung quality than ventri and ts. It has overlay, it is opensource, it is free, really configurable and so on.
http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Main_Page

bro88v
03-14-2010, 03:38 AM
Change sucks.

Kizetsu
03-14-2010, 03:44 AM
Mumble however doesn't have the name/reputation that Ventrilo has.
Therefor, even if it is better, people won't use it.

hykleri
03-14-2010, 04:36 AM
Change sucks... why if its better?

Kizetsu: Well, yeah, but isn't it sad? Mumble needs more users, coz it is a better program

Kizetsu
03-14-2010, 04:43 AM
I agree with you. I've always kept an open mind when it came to better products, and so far I'd have to say Mumble is superior to Ventrilo in most ways.

Vahn
03-14-2010, 04:49 AM
Why use voice chat programs for HoN when the game has an inbuilt one?

Bhaz
03-14-2010, 04:54 AM
'Cause you're not relying on S2 servers, plus it sounds clearer in most cases.

Reonhato
03-14-2010, 05:28 AM
so its suppose to be used for gaming..... it has very little support for games and the list of games it causes errors with is almost half as big as the supported games.

it has little latency..... use a local vent sever you noobs.

you are basically guaranteed to have echoing from some people

people sound like robots

no need to change your settings to suit that one guy, mumble normalises everyone for you...... o wait you can do that in vent as well, in vent you can also customize every single user individually, i can totally see why mumble thought gamers didnt want that feature.

im a gamer, i want options, i want customization, i dont want that 12 yr old squeaky to sound so squeaky. i can already see why so many people use mumble..... o wait

Pyrate
03-14-2010, 05:39 AM
it isnt used because it causes problems with games such as CoD4. Most people playing HoN would have DotA experience, they wont know about Mumble because guess what, it doesnt work with WC3.

Benny`
03-14-2010, 05:44 AM
Coming from the TF2 scene I love mumble and going back to vent from mumble is like going back to Dota after playing Hon, you wonder how people lived with it!

hykleri
03-14-2010, 09:17 AM
it isnt used because it causes problems with games such as CoD4. Most people playing HoN would have DotA experience, they wont know about Mumble because guess what, it doesnt work with WC3.

We played lot of WC3 with mumble. Only problem for CoD4 is overlay. disable it and it is ready to go.

it has little latency..... use a local vent sever you noobs.
Umm... lol?

people sound like robots
I talked with more then 100 people on mumble, and like 2 of them had robot sounds because of their **** mics

im a gamer, i want options, i want customization, i dont want that 12 yr old squeaky to sound so squeaky. i can already see why so many people use mumble..... o wait
Mumble has more options than ventrilo. :)

`Sok
03-14-2010, 01:35 PM
why are you trying to convince ppl you probably dont know and probably dont play with to use a program you think is better then the one they are using?

Solav
03-14-2010, 04:27 PM
I'll vouch for Mumble myself, as I just switched from Ventrilo to Mumble.

The latency gain from mumble is not from not having a "local server", since I've tested with hosting the server on my own computer. It's from (among other things I guess) the ability to use a shorter segment of sound than the default provided by your soundcard. I tested with both mumble and ventrilo in parallell, and even on mumble's max settings it were noticable less delay of sound.

Not to mention the default codec used is Speex (which you can choose in VT as well though, but here it's default) and each client can choose its own bitrate and quality, it's not set by the server. As long as everybody spend some time in the audio wizard, all participants turn out nice and level aswell.

Give it a try, or not
edit.leif

grohn
03-14-2010, 04:28 PM
I used it for a bit.

The "higher sound quality" is crap.
In Ventrilo, you can increase/decrease the volume of individual users, allowing you to make sure that everyone you are talking with is easily audible.
If you do this in mumble, they become staticy and garbled.
Ventrilo, on the other hand, can flawlessly change the volume of other clients without losing quality.

olives
03-14-2010, 04:35 PM
I'm also a TF2 player... I prefer mumble by far when i'm playing a tf2 match, cus there's next to no delay. but i prefer the vent for HoN and random chilling when fast calls aren't AS important, cus i find the sound quality better...

iBringer
03-14-2010, 04:50 PM
Thanks for advertising, this actually I find useful.

Baer
03-14-2010, 04:50 PM
Why MUMBLE? Use Teamspeak 3 !!

Syr1
03-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Almost no games have any issue with Mumble - if you find a game with an issue chances are that disabling the overlay will make it work as expected, since vent doesnt have an overlay by default they dont have these issues. I guess the overlay could just be disabled and you'd have pretty much. The same support as vent.

The default settings actually use the CELT(newish, very very nice) codec rather than Speex, it will fallback to speex if you lower your outgoing quality. Vent forces all users to use the same codec that the server specifies, the number of people that have issues with non-speex codecs in it is pretty high.

Mumble is also based on QT4 and a lot of standard opensource bits and bobs meaning that in a few months it should show up in some form or another on android or in the area that I see best, the N900... it could be quite interesting, a bit like irc for your local group of friends.

The directional plugins make for a pretty cool experience - never thought I'd say it but its kinda nice for things like playing a co-op game with a few friends.

All in all Mumble is a great app and its awesome to see it gaining ground - with more of this movement it will get better and better and focus more an more on gaming will only be good for everyone.

Kwaidah
03-14-2010, 04:53 PM
why change a working system?

Luke_Allstar
03-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Mumble is really good, use it!
quality is good and latancy is low, the ingame overlay is also very nice

SoupNBread
03-14-2010, 05:34 PM
I love using Mumble with TF2 but I've yet to use it with HoN. I much prefer it over Vent though. But then again, I much prefer TS over Vent

EvanJO
03-14-2010, 05:44 PM
Why MUMBLE? Use Teamspeak 3 !!

Teamspeak has always been, and probably always will be, bad in comparison to Ventrilo.

SLASHER`
03-14-2010, 05:47 PM
i'm tryin it!

PaCo
03-14-2010, 06:31 PM
oh boy this 17 latency ventrilo sure is bad, if only i had 5 latency :(

Ventrilo has been around longer and has far more users and thats why i will stick to it.

Its like internet explorer and Firefox, sure Firefox is better but more people still use IE.

Brazzergs
03-14-2010, 06:48 PM
oh boy this 17 latency ventrilo sure is bad, if only i had 5 latency :(

Ventrilo has been around longer and has far more users and thats why i will stick to it.

Its like internet explorer and Firefox, sure Firefox is better but more people still use IE.

Im web administrator, and the actual percents of visits to my page is 95% firefox.

I'm sure it has more to do with the geeky content of my page, but still...

Anyways, I'm a Ventrilo guy, the sound quality is UNMATCHED. I left a guild because they used TS, it's already hard to understand some accents, it's even worse to understand some accents with a robotic touch.

Fenald
03-14-2010, 07:00 PM
Its like internet explorer and Firefox, sure Firefox is better but more people still use IE.

No it's not.

Vents purpose is connecting to other people your web browser is an independent choice.

Theres no point using a program if most people you talk to have to go download it first.

If you give someone vent info everyone has vent installed.

I have mumble installed and I've never used it.

Flair
03-14-2010, 07:15 PM
Im web administrator, and the actual percents of visits to my page is 95% firefox.

I'm sure it has more to do with the geeky content of my page, but still...

Anyways, I'm a Ventrilo guy, the sound quality is UNMATCHED. I left a guild because they used TS, it's already hard to understand some accents, it's even worse to understand some accents with a robotic touch.
Alien porn by any chance?

knallfrosch
03-14-2010, 07:31 PM
My roomate has a vent server, my clan a ts3 + ts2 server, my favorite forum uses a ts3 server.

My decision has been made, you may go on.

Fare well thee on thy crusade.

Rotab
03-14-2010, 07:38 PM
mumble <3

Talleyrand19
03-14-2010, 07:50 PM
Go skype go

Berra_la
03-14-2010, 07:53 PM
VoiceChatter > Mumble > TeamSpeak > Ventrilo

Everyone has an opinion. But the simple fact that Ventrilo runs very poorly under Win 7 makes it a poor choice.

BadaBing
03-14-2010, 07:53 PM
About a month ago we were looking for a new Vent server, but decided to try out Mumble... After playing with it for a day or two, we bought a Mumble server instead and are never going back to Vent.

There just isn't a single thing that Vent does better, especially when people have good/decent mics there is hella difference sound quality wise.

Luciforms1
03-14-2010, 07:56 PM
it isnt used because it causes problems with games such as CoD4. Most people playing HoN would have DotA experience, they wont know about Mumble because guess what, it doesnt work with WC3.

wtf it works fine. Ofc, 3rd party voice chat programs are almost always better than in built stuff.

Soulutions
03-14-2010, 08:12 PM
I would recommend it ESPECIALLY for HoN since it's the only voice program designed for gaming which also fully supports Linux

DemoniWaari
03-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Got my own ventrilo server that many of my friends use on daily basis. We just talk, that's about it, no need for change.
Though if I'd be considering changing mah lovely vnt then I might chech this out, seems neat.

Livskis
03-14-2010, 08:23 PM
i use skype cause my irl frands use it so i convince internet frands to use it too :cool:

kippetje
03-14-2010, 08:26 PM
Why MUMBLE? Use Teamspeak 3 !!
this, mumble has a limit of clients who can be online at the same time. (in mumble's case its about 8 i think O.o)

EvanJO
03-14-2010, 09:08 PM
VoiceChatter > Mumble > TeamSpeak > Ventrilo

Everyone has an opinion. But the simple fact that Ventrilo runs very poorly under Win 7 makes it a poor choice.

Ventrilo runs poorly under windows 7?

news to me.

Benny`
03-14-2010, 09:11 PM
this, mumble has a limit of clients who can be online at the same time. (in mumble's case its about 8 i think O.o)
great work pulling random numbers out of your ass.

from the information I could find on the mumble page max users is only limited by the server bandwith. (and can be manually set by the server host if so desired)

Lucretius
03-14-2010, 11:06 PM
I've never cared for TS, I've been using vent for years and years.
I like new stuff, so mumble will be given a shot... all of you people treating vent like its some kind of tradition now make me lol. OpenSource is the future.

I don't understand how anyone can believe TS is better than Vent... aside from fanboyism or ignorance. Run both clients and talk to the same person... speak through vent, then speak through ts... its pretty obvious which is horrible and which is crystal clear.

PaCo
03-15-2010, 08:24 AM
No it's not.

Vents purpose is connecting to other people your web browser is an independent choice.

Theres no point using a program if most people you talk to have to go download it first.

If you give someone vent info everyone has vent installed.

I have mumble installed and I've never used it.

More often than not its not a choice, most people use IE because its the default browser on Windows and why do they need to change if it works?

Ventrilo has been around longer so obviously it has spread out more and thus became the "default", most people use it and its easier for 1 new guy to join Ventrilo than it is for everyone to swap to mumble.

It was just an example anyway...

Soulutions
03-15-2010, 06:02 PM
More often than not its not a choice, most people use IE because its the default browser on Windows and why do they need to change if it works?

Because at some point it won't work anymore? :D

Sacred123
03-15-2010, 11:25 PM
Use Teamspeak 3. Thanks. Also


Ventrilo > Mumble.


Without a doubt. Merci :)

Soulutions
03-16-2010, 03:07 AM
Use Teamspeak 3. Thanks. Also


Ventrilo > Mumble.


Without a doubt. Merci :)
Actually no there is no crystal clear winner here... I personally use mumble and have vent and Teamspeak clients on my PC just in case. But as I said before a huge advantage for a game that runs not only on Windows but also Linux and Mac like HoN is to have clients for Linux, Windows and Mac

EvanJO
03-16-2010, 03:14 AM
Problem with Mumble is that, well, none of my friends use it. We've got a vent from NFO that is attached to our CoD4 server that we don't even use anymore (nor do we pay for, thank you sponsors) and we see little reason to change.

hykleri
03-16-2010, 03:21 AM
but i prefer the vent for HoN and random chilling when fast calls aren't AS important, cus i find the sound quality better...

this made my lol irl. Fast calls aren't important? 1-2 sec can mean a lot you know.

HoroChan
03-16-2010, 03:46 AM
ts3 is pretty good.

Agamenon
03-16-2010, 12:03 PM
Mumble uses to much Bandwidth. Sorry. Ventrilo 1-2Kb. TeamSpeak 1-4 Kb. Mumble 20-50 Kb

DrRisan
03-16-2010, 12:06 PM
Mumble is AWESOME!

We in the norwegian HoN community have a 100 slot server for you to use if you want :D.

IP: mumble.hon-norge.net
Port: 50073

evotech
03-16-2010, 12:08 PM
If it aint broke, don't fix it

I run a vent server myself, and have been for the past 3 years

I have tried Mumble and TS3, and they are both better then ventrilo, but if i change, its going to be a pain fo rmy users, and they will probably just find another vent server to use, rather then move with me. Because they have learned to use ventrilo, and feel comfortable with vent.

If i was just to think about myself, i woould change, but i got hundreds of other people to think about aswell

DooDooFinger
03-16-2010, 12:08 PM
Change sucks.

---^

evotech
03-16-2010, 12:11 PM
FOr the record though, TeamSpeak 3 has as low latency as Mumble, and is better in every way imo

If you base your opinion of Teamspeak on teamspeak 2, you don't know what youa re talking about, and should download and test TS3, its a WAST improvement

KalurO
03-16-2010, 12:14 PM
HoN has a 5 player limited on games. Just use skype, it's the highest quality you'll ever get with free applications.

Skype isnt used for its low user limit, but since 5 is the limit.. sure why not?

DenyTheTruth
03-16-2010, 12:16 PM
Before this thread I'd never ehard anyone say anything good about mumble.

I like vent over TS.

kippetje
03-16-2010, 12:23 PM
great work pulling random numbers out of your ass.

from the information I could find on the mumble page max users is only limited by the server bandwith. (and can be manually set by the server host if so desired)
this was the case with my community, so we switched to TS3, which I now prefer. (we went from ts2->vent->mumble->ts3 now :P)

kvist
05-17-2010, 02:40 PM
Mumble is the best voice-chat application I've used this far. I've tried:

TS2> Ugly interface, arguable voice quality, very limitied administrative tools under Linux and also no free programs to gather usage statistics so I had to write my own script to gather info about channel usage on the server.

Ventrilo> Not open-source - biggest issue. License fee for running your own server is not cheap. Codex is decided by the server for all users. Extremely big issues with lag/spikes under Windows 7, don't know if this is solved yet but this is what made me switch to Mumble. Flagship Industries didn't come up with a solution for several months which is typical for closed source applications and the bug practically made it impossible to use it under Win7 64-bit.

Skype> Doesn't support push-to-talk - biggest issue. CBA to hear other ppl constantly. That's really all. I haven't even given Skype a serious try just because of this issue. Also feels bloated. I wan't a small program for voice-chat not a big suite that's mainly a replacement for phones.

Mumble> For me, the best option. Open-source. Nicely designed, fast source code. Stable server software. All the features I need in the client, and some more (like overlay and other stuff that I don't use). Great sound quality (if you raise the bitrate cap in the server config file you can let clients hog as much bandwidth as you like/have access to use). With mumble-django you get a great GUI through a webpage (there is also applications you can run locally) for administrating users and server instances. You can launch new servers (instances) directly from the GUI and much more. It's just everything I need, and it's free.

Shatnerr
05-17-2010, 05:39 PM
My guild from wow used it and i'm rl friends with some of them so i still use it for hon, it's definitely faster than vent, but a lot of people hate change so it may not become what vent has.

Asway
05-17-2010, 09:50 PM
My guild from wow used it and i'm rl friends with some of them so i still use it for hon, it's definitely faster than vent, but a lot of people hate change so it may not become what vent has.

Way to bail.

Pyrate
05-18-2010, 06:03 AM
people hate it because it takes way to much bandwidth. A majority of countries in the world have internet plans that limits the data you have per month.

For example, i have a 25Gb plan which sees 3 of us through for the month. Vent uses a couple of mb an hour, something like Mumble uses 20-30 times that.

I can sit on vent for 5 hours and only use 10-15mb of data, if I did that using Mumble it would be 200-300mb.

I did the maths, over a month Mumble would increase our usage (2 of us use Vent) by between 4-6Gb per month. That is a lot of for anyone with limited data

Freemind
05-18-2010, 06:08 AM
Mumble is the best voice-chat application I've used this far. I've tried:

TS2> Ugly interface, arguable voice quality, very limitied administrative tools under Linux and also no free programs to gather usage statistics so I had to write my own script to gather info about channel usage on the server.

Ventrilo> Not open-source - biggest issue. License fee for running your own server is not cheap. Codex is decided by the server for all users. Extremely big issues with lag/spikes under Windows 7, don't know if this is solved yet but this is what made me switch to Mumble. Flagship Industries didn't come up with a solution for several months which is typical for closed source applications and the bug practically made it impossible to use it under Win7 64-bit.

Skype> Doesn't support push-to-talk - biggest issue. CBA to hear other ppl constantly. That's really all. I haven't even given Skype a serious try just because of this issue. Also feels bloated. I wan't a small program for voice-chat not a big suite that's mainly a replacement for phones.

Mumble> For me, the best option. Open-source. Nicely designed, fast source code. Stable server software. All the features I need in the client, and some more (like overlay and other stuff that I don't use). Great sound quality (if you raise the bitrate cap in the server config file you can let clients hog as much bandwidth as you like/have access to use). With mumble-django you get a great GUI through a webpage (there is also applications you can run locally) for administrating users and server instances. You can launch new servers (instances) directly from the GUI and much more. It's just everything I need, and it's free.

FULL ACK! :smile:

phate
05-18-2010, 06:15 AM
I'm also a TF2 player... I prefer mumble by far when i'm playing a tf2 match, cus there's next to no delay. but i prefer the vent for HoN and random chilling when fast calls aren't AS important, cus i find the sound quality better...

Fast calls, are you kidding me? Really, you think that the 10ms difference between the programs is going to make a difference? Give me a break.

phate
05-18-2010, 06:21 AM
people hate it because it takes way to much bandwidth. A majority of countries in the world have internet plans that limits the data you have per month.

For example, i have a 25Gb plan which sees 3 of us through for the month. Vent uses a couple of mb an hour, something like Mumble uses 20-30 times that.

I can sit on vent for 5 hours and only use 10-15mb of data, if I did that using Mumble it would be 200-300mb.

I did the maths, over a month Mumble would increase our usage (2 of us use Vent) by between 4-6Gb per month. That is a lot of for anyone with limited data

Thread Hijack: How can you get by with 25GB a month? I am limited to 250GB and it is one of the biggest annoyances. I had to buy a "real" router (not a cheapo linksys) just so I could track my bandwidth. I have about 15 devices on my network so I needed something sitting at the front door of the network to track this stuff. I still have to limit myself pretty hard just to hit 240. I hate my ISP (Comcast).

XeliN
05-18-2010, 10:37 AM
Skype. **** ventrillo, mumble, jumble, rumble or even a cheeky fumble. Skype > all

WindRaven
05-18-2010, 11:55 AM
We use mumble in LC inhouses, and I've never had a problem with it.

kvist
05-18-2010, 12:48 PM
Skype. **** ventrillo, mumble, jumble, rumble or even a cheeky fumble. Skype > all

If you don't appriciate the greatness of using push-to-talk I guess Skype would be more "ok". What beats me is that even though a lot of people have been requesting a PTT-feature in Skype for several years, nothing have happened. I'm not intrested in supporting a company that doesn't care about it's users. It's a REALLY simple feature to implement and people that don't wanna use it won't even know it's there.

Zoidberg
05-18-2010, 05:51 PM
Why bother with any

TS3!

ichigotowar
05-19-2010, 12:00 PM
I still prefer skype over vent/mumble. Quality is much better as well as chatting features and i'm not really fussed about PTT.

twincannon
05-19-2010, 12:13 PM
As a push-to-talk user for many years I have to say that voice activation is really nice for promoting communication. Honestly, push to talk stifles communication and really isn't preferable in higher level play. I don't know about 5 people using voice activated at once though. But for 2v2 with a friend who is probably the only guy I know personally who is as competitive as I am, using skype is a marked difference and an obvious step-up from push-to-talk based alternatives.

As for vent/mumble, it's kind of a toss-up, both have their ups and downs, biggest let down with mumble is their completely backwards and idiotic registration and admin system. Ventrilo's is pretty crappy as well (having to tell the admin what pass you want) but mumble requires you to save a file on your computer and somehow hope you remember to back it up, if you don't, bye bye to your user preferences and you have to bug an admin to delete you... really is a giant pain for the admins because, understandably, NO ONE backs up their auth. So stupid.

Biggest upside with mumble is definitely the faster speed. If you have a speedy and close server to host it on, you can get skype-like latency (aka, like you're talking to people on the phone). Way better than the average vent server.

cazter
05-19-2010, 12:53 PM
Mumble and vent are comparable in most ways... The biggest differences are, Mumble is open source and totally free. Mumble is fast, and low latency. Seriously, test it... Ever game with someone in the same room using vent? You say something, they hear it because their next to you, and then they hear you on vent? Mumble, with > 100 ping, is near instant. You speak and it's heard in less then 2-5 MS of when you said it. It's really incredible....

If anyone wants to try it I have a mumble server up for 100 people that I could easily bump to 1000. Feel free to get a hold of me for admin access to add or edit channels as needed.

Server Info:
mumble.xclan.org
Default Port
No PW (currently)

Server is hosted on a Fiber 100GB pipe @ xmission. Everyone should get stellar pings...

Trolls get banned quickly.

swebyson
05-19-2010, 01:04 PM
Mumble is the best voice-chat application I've used this far. I've tried:

Ventrilo> Not open-source - biggest issue. License fee for running your own server is not cheap. Codex is decided by the server for all users. Extremely big issues with lag/spikes under Windows 7, don't know if this is solved yet but this is what made me switch to Mumble. Flagship Industries didn't come up with a solution for several months which is typical for closed source applications and the bug practically made it impossible to use it under Win7 64-bit.

You have to select your soundcard under setups in ventrilo and the lags/spikes vanish :)

Darkstrand
05-19-2010, 01:12 PM
i like ventrilo better than mumble

LightRain
05-19-2010, 02:32 PM
Mumble, with > 100 ping, is near instant. You speak and it's heard in less then 2-5 MS of when you said it. It's really incredible....

that's not how ping works, or at least it shouldn't work like that. that's pretty impressive if true.

mtx
05-19-2010, 02:35 PM
Mumble is goood.

kirbyruled
05-19-2010, 02:36 PM
Why use Mumble? Use Ventrilo!

Berra_la
05-19-2010, 02:38 PM
Why use Mumble? Use Voice Chatter!

TK
05-19-2010, 02:43 PM
If anyone wants to try out Teamspeak 3, which in my opinion, is significantly better than Ventrilo and a massive leap over TS2, you can use our server.

If your team needs your own channel, I can sort that out for you too. We have far too many slots and too much bandwidth.

Server: thecakeisapie.com
Default Port
No Password

jorge69696
05-19-2010, 03:15 PM
that's not how ping works, or at least it shouldn't work like that. that's pretty impressive if true.

You are right. He said: in mumble 100ms = 2ms

If he is right, mumble solved latency problems in any game/app.

Baer
05-19-2010, 03:16 PM
I prefer my TS3 :(

SouthSide
05-19-2010, 04:50 PM
Sry but skype > ventrilo > mumble. Imo anyways skype is best quality and instant no travel time and its free unless your calling a phone :P


And by travel time i mean theirs no delay from when you talk to when other ppl hear it.

yezZIR
05-19-2010, 04:59 PM
LC uses mumble, for everything else i use Ventrilo.

Mumble overlay is nice, but once you get to know everyone you play w/ it doesnt really matter. This is the only feature that mumble has a leg up on, end of story.

Mumble normalizes? Well there are two people in mumble i have to keep muted because i can't tweek the voice settings for individual users like i can in ventrilo, so they end up blowing my ear drums out.

I can't remember the last time someone asked me to use teamspeak.

TL: DR

Vent > Mumble

Fu__plate
05-19-2010, 09:08 PM
Sry but skype > ventrilo > mumble. Imo anyways skype is best quality and instant no travel time and its free unless your calling a phone :P


And by travel time i mean theirs no delay from when you talk to when other ppl hear it.
This. Mumble is ****.

AngryWeasel
05-19-2010, 10:11 PM
Tried it out must admit my favorite is still ventrilo though when playing hon we mostly use Skype in the clan as we like to have a constant chatter going as it keeps people more alert.

Damage
05-20-2010, 02:20 PM
List Soul and Wind said... our entire clan uses Mumble. I personally like the sound quality over Vent, and it's free. It's also fully developed for all three platforms.

Base21
01-30-2012, 08:02 PM
it isnt used because it causes problems with games such as CoD4. Most people playing HoN would have DotA experience, they wont know about Mumble because guess what, it doesnt work with WC3.

I know this is an old post. But anyways to answer your post - It's know to cause problems with games if you don't disable the overlay, but of course this obligates experience and/or intelligence, nor of which anyone could ever extract from a CoD player... or?

FiddyCent
01-31-2012, 01:01 PM
Anyone still using vent is stuck in 2009. Seriously.

riddie
01-31-2012, 01:03 PM
Why Mumble? Use Teamspeak :p

Mediocre
01-31-2012, 01:04 PM
Skype > everything else.


/Thread

KingDerp
02-01-2012, 08:04 AM
Skype > everything else.


/Thread

Fun fact: With my awesome internet I get mini dc's like every 4-5 secs when in a skype conversation.

Nytemair
02-01-2012, 08:10 AM
Skype says hello.

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 09:05 AM
its the same reason people use Skype instead of ooVoo. Because everyone already have it and its easy to use and setup and very userfriendly. Also woopwoop, you gotta have a crappy server/isp to notice the delay between ventrilo and mumble :P and who the **** cares if the sound is a tiny bit more crisp in mumble then ventrilo ~~


I know this is an old post. But anyways to answer your post - It's know to cause problems with games if you don't disable the overlay, but of course this obligates experience and/or intelligence, nor of which anyone could ever extract from a CoD player... or?

Dont forget in blizz games like sc2 you can get banned for using overlays cause its impossible to know if the overlay is a maphack or just an overlay for you voice chat program. (like 500k got banned over the world in sc2 because of raidcall a while back) :<

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 09:06 AM
Also saying that ventrilo is better then teamspeak is uh, what? and skype you cant change a single persons volume in which imo makes it pretty crap ^_^

P0NP0NP0N
02-01-2012, 09:21 AM
Fun fact: With my awesome internet I get mini dc's like every 4-5 secs when in a skype conversation.
same

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 09:27 AM
same

Cuz skype is a bad program overall :p it drains tons of memory and got so many issues with it. The two things they have going for it is that you can use it for phone calls and that you dont need a server.

_Snow
02-01-2012, 09:38 AM
Yes let's copy the very well respected TF2 scene. That can only be positive change.

Also, use Skype.

_Snow
02-01-2012, 09:39 AM
Cuz skype is a bad program overall :p it drains tons of memory and got so many issues with it. The two things they have going for it is that you can use it for phone calls and that you dont need a server.
oh no it drains memory? :( I guess this would be a problem if you're playing on your 250 dollar laptop from 1979

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 09:45 AM
_snow having a chat program that sometimes drains more memory then swtor or hon or sc2 then yes its a problem if you want other programs running in the background while playing for example battlefield 3 on max quality.. so saying it doesnt matter is pretty stupid ~~ but if you want to use crappy software go ahead, just dont say its the best of the competitors. Cause there are 5 out there I can name on top of my head is better, by using facts that is, not just personal preference. :)

AngryTjore
02-01-2012, 09:49 AM
Skype > rest pretty much.

Puuhis
02-01-2012, 09:57 AM
Why me and my friends started using mumble:
Every single day the first two of us who came from school made a conversation in skype, most of us get home at different times so there's huge hassle to send messages in steam "inv to skype plzz". In the evening we had to make several new calls just because someone went to sleep earlier due to whatever reason (school starting earlier etc.).

What happens with mumble:
They connect to our mumble server whenever they wanna be in the "conversation".
The quality is almost the same and there are no background noises (due to voice activation).

Thank you for your time

Pellikan
02-01-2012, 10:06 AM
For me its TS3>Mumble>Vent>Skype.

_Snow
02-01-2012, 10:15 AM
_snow having a chat program that sometimes drains more memory then swtor or hon or sc2 then yes its a problem if you want other programs running in the background while playing for example battlefield 3 on max quality.. so saying it doesnt matter is pretty stupid ~~ but if you want to use crappy software go ahead, just dont say its the best of the competitors. Cause there are 5 out there I can name on top of my head is better, by using facts that is, not just personal preference. :)
The only time it's a problem is if your computer is crap. Mine isn't.

There really is no excuse for using anything but Skype for HoN; the only games you need Ventrilo or Mumble is when you're in large groups of like 10-20 people, but for HoN? Nah.

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 11:13 AM
The only time it's a problem is if your computer is crap. Mine isn't.

There really is no excuse for using anything but Skype for HoN; the only games you need Ventrilo or Mumble is when you're in large groups of like 10-20 people, but for HoN? Nah.

Gratz you are the 1% then cause theres tons of topics on this issue out there, and no, its not the computer, its bad coding. Also why would anyone need an excuse to use another program then Skype? Give one reason why Skype is better then ooVoo for example please, or raidcall for that matter that is a more unknown program.

sirshane
02-01-2012, 11:37 AM
Mumble is better and its cheaper to run, I dont see why people pay almost double for a vent server than paying for a mumble one. Like in all fairness the only problem with the mumble is that its not driven by a company like vent got its name out by advertising..etc while mumble since its free means that anyone can make a server and sell it so it was fragmented.

bwubbpopper
02-01-2012, 12:22 PM
Mumble is better and its cheaper to run, I dont see why people pay almost double for a vent server than paying for a mumble one. Like in all fairness the only problem with the mumble is that its not driven by a company like vent got its name out by advertising..etc while mumble since its free means that anyone can make a server and sell it so it was fragmented.

Dont see any reason why you should use mumble when raidcall is comletely free. )

TaeYeon
02-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Skype is 100% free and works wonders with a group of 5 for HoN. Why would anyone pay for anything else?

Nasty``
02-01-2012, 01:00 PM
why would you use programs which consume lots of cpu and ram like ts3, skype or whatever.

mumble, vent and raidcall are best programs for gaming, period

_Snow
02-01-2012, 01:02 PM
If u have a computer with less than 4gb ram, then okay, you're allowed to use some home made script that lets you talk with 1 second delay by pressing a key. But if you have a computer made this century you should use skype, for the reasons I've already given and what Tae said

Puuhis
02-01-2012, 01:04 PM
If u have a computer with less than 4gb ram, then okay, you're allowed to use some home made script that lets you talk with 1 second delay by pressing a key. But if you have a computer made this century you should use skype, for the reasons I've already given and what Tae said

Voice activation (no background noise like in skype)
No hassle with who's making the calls etc.

_Snow
02-01-2012, 01:09 PM
Well let's just put this argument to a rest because it's never going to end: I think Skype is better for small 'teams' or conversations, because it's easy, smooth, free, never messes up and the quality is always perfect, but that's just my subjective opinion, and if people don't want the background noise or host calls, then they're free to use whatever program they want, i honestly could care less

Lock thread plz Ken, do ur job

Scud2k
02-01-2012, 01:54 PM
roger wilco ftw... just kiddin.

i used all of them and i have to say:
TS3 > Mumble > TS2 > Vent > Skype

i loved mumble during my wow-times but its no easy convincing 40 dudes to switch to another product (even when its clearly better and free). id say this is mumble main problem.
since TS3 came with a native linux client, i switched my server to it since its just more common (yes shame on me).
and skype totally fails (for me) because of missing push to talk.

so mumble = great product but unfortunatly people are lazy and, as mentioned before "change sucks"

Berethorn
02-01-2012, 03:26 PM
Wait, people are still using voice programs other than skype?

TaeYeon
02-01-2012, 04:09 PM
How can you guys sit there and use the 'Skype is bad cus I play BF3 max settings'-argument, thinking that's relevant at all? We're talking HoN - other games are irrelevant and you may use Mumble or whatever to your heart's desires.

There shouldn't be any problems at all with memory issues. My Skype takes 100mb and I run HoN maxed out perfectly fine. You're saying "well it's easier to just connect to the server whenever you want than having to call up everybody". Well this isn't WoW, CS or TF2 where you can just join ur friends in the middle of their on-going game. In HoN you usually schedule with whomever you desire to team up with in TMM beforehand anyways so this argument is invalid.
What's that? No Push-To-Talk in Skype? The whole reason why Skype is so much more preferable than ingame-PTT or the other clients is that you don't have to hold down that god damn button whenever you wanna communicate and would much rather prefer to have your fingers free in the heat of a team fight where communication matters the most. Also: PTT-goers are nerds afraid of awkward silence (say what? :rolleyes:)

Mumble or w.e. may be better suited for other types of games. But this is HoN/Moba, and I'm not gonna pay for a server that is just gonna make my gaming experience worse.

Csalbertcs
02-01-2012, 06:18 PM
Teamspeak 3 ftw...

StueyOoey
02-01-2012, 06:37 PM
Let's just put this together here.

Vent:

-outdated
-Got to run it as admin on windows 7, otherwise complete fail.
-Still fails when running as admin
-Delay is HUGE
-Interface is ****
-Not even a chat LOL (besides the crappy private bullshit blabla - it's complete trash compared to anything new).
-Just trash.

Now we go to Mumble

-Gotta get used to the interface
-many options
-SAME voice quality/if not better than vent
-Less delay
-Nice chat and everything
-Low resources

Teamspeak 3:

-uses "a lot" of ressources, if your PC isn't complete trash you won't notice it anyway
-nice interface
-A LOT of options for the server admin and the users
-Filemanager
-Private chats
-Options for pretty much everything
-A bit more delay than Mumble (like 5ms more?) so basicly non existant, compared to vents like 100.

Now Skype

-no PTT
-Background noise
-Not compareable to a server with different channels etc, since it just is a normal call.
-Besides that, completly fine I guess.

In this thread we have a lot of dumb americans that are talking about voice quality, which is pretty much the same since all those softwares besides skype use EXACTLY the same codecs.

Jesus238
02-01-2012, 06:49 PM
^ I don't think this guy has a clue what he's talking about lol

SpikeBolt
02-01-2012, 06:49 PM
I use Skype because honestly I don't wanna push to talk, I just want to talk and Skype's sound quality is by far superior. If you enjoy Mumble/Vent/TS3 then use it. The best software if the one you enjoy using the most.