View Full Version : Persistent Group Binding
The Problem:
Overall micro'ing appears to be the most difficult mechanic of HoN to master. A lot of times in large group fights selecting specific spawned units or controlled units can be difficult if not impossible. This difficulty leads to a lack of play of heroes like :ophe:. However, the list of heroes this issue effects goes on...:temp::vood::slit::warb::wild::engi::poll: and :GeometersBane::Puzzlebox:
The Solution:
The solution I propose is actually quite simple. Allow CTRL + SHIFT + # to bind a number 1-9 to a unit type. The bound unit type will be based on the name of the unit selected. The bind will select all units under the players control with the bound unit name.
Examples:
:temp: binds his elementals to 2 via CTRL+SHIFT+2. Then upon spawning his next wave of elementals :temp: must simply press 2 to select them all.
:warb: binds his wolves to 2 via CTRL+SHIFT+2. Then upon spawning his next wave of wolves :warb: must simply press 2 to select them all.
:slit: binds his toxic ward to 2 via CTRL+SHIFT+2 and throughout the game when wanting to select spawned wards he presses 2.
:ophe: binds all of her controlled minotaurs to 2 via CTRL+SHIFT+2, while binding her skeleton kings to 3 via CTRL+SHIFT 3. Allowing here to use these binds throughout the game.
The beauty behind this is that it makes micro'ing easier, but in no way does the micro'ing for you. It still may benefit the player to use individual units bound by the standard CTRL+2 or it may benefit them to use this group bind. It's just another tool in micromanagement.
The Original Sandbox thread can be found here: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=80081
A99centTaco
03-02-2010, 11:11 PM
OH GOD YES.
please make this so
udisgustme
03-02-2010, 11:15 PM
yes please, great idea!
HeavySoul
03-03-2010, 01:08 AM
T-Up!
T-Up!
Thank you sir. Tell your friends. We need more votes! I really wanna see this get implemented! :cool:
Shikadi
03-03-2010, 01:29 AM
Aaaah, thank you for bringing this up.
I was going to suggest the same thing but I couldn't have put it as eloquently as you. It's such a pain and so hectic having to bind for example Malphas/Beardulon everytime you summon him, or Geometer's Bane illusions. I see absolutely no reason why this can't be implemented.
Zakharov
03-03-2010, 02:42 AM
This has already been suggested and moved to Popular. Still, that only goes to show that it's a good idea.
great idea, i like it because it still doesnt allow every nub to micro efficiently and yet it just makes logical sense to control minions in this way.
This has already been suggested and moved to Popular. Still, that only goes to show that it's a good idea.
There are other polls in popular suggestions, like keeping puzzlebox binds, but from my searching its seems they all just address the problem and none of them propose as solid a solution. However, if there is one I missed please link me.
DtMage
03-03-2010, 08:06 AM
Now im confused why isn't this implemented already? Should be, T-UP 100%! Have always hated to rerererererererererererebind mobs over and over, mostly this frustrated me in dota with beastmaster...
TTT! let's see some more votes.
Green
03-04-2010, 01:42 PM
wrong type of poll.
thread is already in popular.
thread is already in popular.
link plz.
OJPhoenix
03-05-2010, 01:04 AM
Mother of god yes
link plz.
does it matter? you think he is lying, or what? I can confirm it is @ popular already. puzzlebox or something in thread name
does it matter? you think he is lying, or what? I can confirm it is @ popular already. puzzlebox or something in thread name
Both of the threads in popular suggestion are similar to this suggestion, but say nothing about how to fix the problem. Rather, they recognize the problem is there, great. I actually provide a useful and implementable solution. So it does matter.
Lentheman
03-06-2010, 01:35 PM
i cant even use ctrl - 1 to bind my own hero :x any got an idea how comes? :/
i cant even use ctrl - 1 to bind my own hero :x any got an idea how comes? :/
No, mine works properly I'm afraid. Ask support.
Phrosen
03-07-2010, 12:02 PM
Good idea.
I've actually thought of it myself.
I believe it won't be added, though, because it would be considered as "too easy" in competitive games.
Both of the threads in popular suggestion are similar to this suggestion, but say nothing about how to fix the problem. Rather, they recognize the problem is there, great. I actually provide a useful and implementable solution. So it does matter.
well, the one@popular suggests same thing, remembering the control groups for future spawns. You just added "select all with same name" thing, which tbh IS breaking microing, albeit just a bit. So again, whats the difference between this and whats suggested@popular?
Veselchuna
03-07-2010, 01:45 PM
good idea, gj, t-up
Sure, the idea is good but wouldn't it be kinda hard to code for certain spells?
Sure, the idea is good but wouldn't it be kinda hard to code for certain spells?
I'm not sure as I'm not a game developed, but I don't think it would be all that difficult.
And the one in popular just says bind the spell to 2. It provides no customization to the player and/or items. Mine is by far a better solution.
YawningAngel
03-08-2010, 05:19 PM
Please yes.
EvilLost
03-08-2010, 07:08 PM
I LOVE this idea, however it does run into a small problem:
What about units of different levels? A lvl 1 elemental and a lvl 4 elemental are NOT the same unit. I believe the spawned elementals are different from the initial 3 as well (if you double click one of the initial one to select them all, the spawned ones dont get selected)
I wish that the game would ignore diff lvls of the same unit and do exactly what the op suggests here
1 for my hero, 2 for my minions, 3 for my courier always!
^--- that does propose a good question. I'm not sure if I have an exact answer, that would have to be something the Dev's sort out I suppose.
RatedRKO
03-25-2010, 03:26 AM
Great idea.
prostitution
03-25-2010, 03:34 AM
I know it doesn't take that long to select the units and hit the key you want them bound to, but I think this concept would be nice.
scotth266
03-25-2010, 04:25 PM
This would be really good for Hellbringer as well. Sure, he's only got 1 minion, but considering how important that minion is to his battle strategy...
Also it would be really cool if 1 was autobound to your own hero. If people wanted to use different keys, I'm sure that it could be set to some control option.
Also it would be really cool if 1 was autobound to your own hero. If people wanted to use different keys, I'm sure that it could be set to some control option.
Agreed. Bumpity.
pungkow
03-26-2010, 02:23 PM
Thumbs up on the idea. You should also add malphas to your list of examples. He's the only one I can think of that's not there, so might as well make it complete.
Lionel99
03-26-2010, 02:53 PM
Agreed. Persistent binds are only enabled on Wildsoul atm, where a few other heroes/item effects needs these too.
pro_Noun
03-26-2010, 08:00 PM
Do it faster!!! :]
BOOM2DEATH
03-26-2010, 09:53 PM
This is a brilliant idea!! Too bad someone thought of it already and it still hasnt even come in. The bind commands are a pain to do all the time just once should be enough
Bump should be getting moved to popular in no time =D
Zarent
04-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Moved to popular suggestions!
Moved to popular suggestions!
Thank you, keep on voting. Let's get this implemented!!!
flibble
04-10-2010, 09:14 PM
Please LORD! IMPLEMENT THIS!
Jackmasta
04-30-2010, 11:37 PM
yes...definitely. I voted yes... Ophelia is awesome fraggin 3 towers at the same time..:D
Getting close to 200 yes votes. MOAR!
Paiytor
05-08-2010, 06:17 AM
Horse yes!
Well with retail approaching, I doubt this will ever get implemented, but it is a great concept and as more and more diverse heroes get added to the game this idea makes more and more sense. Really wish the S2 guys would read this =(
Lylar
06-27-2010, 02:15 PM
Bump, this will also make Tundra playable.
I'd also settle simply for key binds to be kept after death, atm say on tundra you can bind bird to one key bind and Tundra and other pet to another, but on death (every 60 seconds) when you summon new pets, the game does not remember the keybinds, and so you have to rebind groups every 60 secs.
The group binds remembers wildsouls bear, so why not this on tundra ?
PlusEV
07-21-2010, 09:03 AM
Bump, this will also make Tundra playable.
I'd also settle simply for key binds to be kept after death, atm say on tundra you can bind bird to one key bind and Tundra and other pet to another, but on death (every 60 seconds) when you summon new pets, the game does not remember the keybinds, and so you have to rebind groups every 60 secs.
The group binds remembers wildsouls bear, so why not this on tundra ?
+1000! playing tundra is pain in the ass because of this.
Thysios
07-21-2010, 09:07 AM
Shawn said this has already been put in for next patch.
Mine has more votes woo!
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=93265 lol
Yeah I'm glad this got implemented. Not rly glad I got no credit for it. but whatevs.