Blizzard keeps failing

[Evozer]

So, the lich king encounter was released this week. One of the top guilds, ensidia, reached him and fought him. This boss had never been on testrealm, and ofc blizzards testing is bad enough to let a bug through.

Because of this bug the fight was made slightly easier, and ensidia got the first 25man kill, only to see the bug hotfixed the next day.

Blizzard: "****, lich king was bugged. What do we do now? Oh i know, lets ban the guys who found it and take their achiev and loot away"

Ensidia: Keep it up guys! we might get world first! YES! WE ****ING GOT IT!!!

next day they were banned for 3 days.

The bug (:pest:) was an engineering bomb causing the collapsing floor to rebuild. These bombs are used alot by most top guilds. Also, if ensidia noticed the bug (they say they didnt) why would they contact blizzard who takes atleast 3h to respond, instead of keeping on trying? its not like other guilds did it, and alot of guilds uses these bombs.

[Narfle]

mah gawd!

some big group killed an NPC

and blizzard had a bug!

this is horrible

On the positive side, blizzurd keep banning PvMers please.

[Shzzzir]

mah gawd!

some big group killed an NPC

and blizzard had a bug!

this is horrible

On the positive side, blizzurd keep banning PvMers please.

****ing lol'd, and I agree about the banning.

[Marylinn]

Uh. I played up until ToGC in one of the top 100 guilds in the world (Spike Flail) and I can tell you that nobody uses Engineering bombs. o_o

[Megha]

lol wow lol

[MileyCyrus]

I played in what was once THE top guild in the world...engineering bombs didn't exist...

Ascent ftw! I was there for the first Rag kill!

[SideKick1]

phreak top 5 in world

[LolMaliken]

virtue..... >_>

top..... 10,000 or something like that <_<

[Evozer]

Uh. I played up until ToGC in one of the top 100 guilds in the world (Spike Flail) and I can tell you that nobody uses Engineering bombs. o_o

Anyone who really wants to max out their damage does appearently, theyre off the global cd, its just free extra dmg

[OTBatman]

:|...

[Marylinn]

Anyone who really wants to max out their damage does appearently, theyre off the global cd, its just free extra dmg
Last I checked, most, if not all bosses are immune to both functions of them. (Stun and damage.)

Unless you're using them on trash? But who cares about trash...?

[OTAlfred]

I am also at a loss sir. Might I recommend some literature for you to broaden your horizon? This should procure your tastes. (http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Western-Front-Erich-Remarque/dp/0449213943)

[Evozer]

Last I checked, most, if not all bosses are immune to both functions of them. (Stun and damage.)

Unless you're using them on trash? But who cares about trash...?

saronite bomb causes 1150-1550 fire dmg and additional siege dmg. Bosses arent immune to fire? :eek:

Also, no stun/incapacitate

[Narfle]

I need a broad-in mah horizon!

and dis book has so many bettorers

http://www.amazon.com/Singularity-Near-Humans-Transcend-Biology/dp/0143037889/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265317004&sr=1-1

[OTAlfred]

Indeed that is a book I've had on my list. Superb find chap.

[Evozer]

Indeed that is a book I've had on my list. Superb find chap.

i know i overreacted with this thread but you guys are just creepy

[jar]

Back when I played WoW, I kept up with high end progression and knew a few people in some decent guilds. I distinctly remember Ensidia (Nihilum) exploiting C'thun, Eredar Twins, Hodir Hard Mode, Mimiron Hard Mode, and I'm pretty sure there are a few more I don't know about/can't think of. You would think after that many world first kills by exploit they would realize their luck is bound to catch up to them.


I think it's funny how fanbois rage at Blizzard for banning someone for using an exploit. It's like the guy in Ulduar who got the GM weapon and were one shotting bosses. The weapon was GIVEN to them by a GM (mistake I believe, or intentional can't remember). However, they were all banned and achievements removed because they used an obvious exploit. Was it their fault that the exploit was "exploitable." Not really, blizzard gave the weapon to them. Same as it isn't Ensidia's fault the bug was in the game. However, it's the choice to use that bug that warrants a ban. What happened to the American guild who killed Yogg - 0 before everyone else by exploiting pets in the brain room? They got banned. It was blizzard's fault that bug was in the game, but they exploited it and deserved the ban.

[Evozer]

pets? wasnt it a pally gaining aggro by healing a lifetapping lock in the brain?

And i do think that they should have removed loot and achiev, but given them a chance to do it the right way

[jar]

pets? wasnt it a pally gaining aggro by healing a lifetapping lock in the brain?

And i do think that they should have removed loot and achiev, but given them a chance to do it the right way


Yea that was it. But I think I got it confused with the fact you used to be able to leave pets down in the brain room to DPS Yogg and they wouldn't get ported back up.

Does anyone really gives a crap about WoW?

[Hash]

no one on the cutting edge does

[InsaneChef]

I remember when WoW didnt exist

ahhh those were the days

[Marylinn]

I remember when WoW didnt exist

ahhh those were the days
When people were still playing Everquest and Final Fantasy XI and cutting themselves?

Good times.

[Narfle]

I remember when WoW didnt exist

ahhh those were the days

Yeah, i miss the time where i used to like Blizzard. When i respected them as a game making company.

But as they say, all good things must come to an end.

[Marylinn]

Yeah, i miss the time where i used to like Blizzard. When i respected them as a game making company.

But as they say, all good things must come to an end.
Hey, every game company has that one game they're not proud of. Remember Final Fantasy Tactics Advance?

Yeah, neither does anyone else.

[Sinestro]

So, the lich king encounter was released this week. One of the top guilds, ensidia, reached him and fought him. This boss had never been on testrealm, and ofc blizzards testing is bad enough to let a bug through.

Because of this bug the fight was made slightly easier, and ensidia got the first 25man kill, only to see the bug hotfixed the next day.

Blizzard: "****, lich king was bugged. What do we do now? Oh i know, lets ban the guys who found it and take their achiev and loot away"

Ensidia: Keep it up guys! we might get world first! YES! WE ****ING GOT IT!!!

next day they were banned for 3 days.

The bug (:pest:) was an engineering bomb causing the collapsing floor to rebuild. These bombs are used alot by most top guilds. Also, if ensidia noticed the bug (they say they didnt) why would they contact blizzard who takes atleast 3h to respond, instead of keeping on trying? its not like other guilds did it, and alot of guilds uses these bombs.

Oh no, the group notorious for using exploits to progress through content in nearly every fight gets banned for 3 days! Not only that, but they've come out and said on the official forums that they actively search for exploits and will use them over and over and over, and rub it in blizzard face without telling them what it is.

They're a bunch of ****heads, and just about everyone that knows who they are knows that.

[knallfrosch]

Breaking News: in Summer 07, WoW was interesting!

[Tyrando]

reminds me of that time Athene attempted world first 80

GUYS IM LVL 79!!!! -------------- BANNED!

[Astah]

Oh no, the group notorious for using exploits to progress through content in nearly every fight gets banned for 3 days! Not only that, but they've come out and said on the official forums that they actively search for exploits and will use them over and over and over, and rub it in blizzard face without telling them what it is.

They're a bunch of ****heads, and just about everyone that knows who they are knows that.


They are like that because blizzard took the skill out of the game.

They're only still playing it because they get paid too thru sponsors.

Wow went from insanely challenging, to something a monkey with down syndrome could play with ease simply by bashing its head into the keyboard.

[Fazzmania]

pve is for scrubs. real men arena

[Ularg]

They are like that because blizzard took the skill out of the game.

They're only still playing it because they get paid too thru sponsors.

Wow went from insanely challenging, to something a monkey with down syndrome could play with ease simply by bashing its head into the keyboard.

And still people some how **** rotations up and run into the ****ing AOE or not know what to do on boss fights that we've done so many times. You should have seen how annoyingly hard it was to get 25 people to work together for 25 naxx when half of the people acted like idiots and demanded the respect of the other half that were pompous *******s.

[magnakaser]

Huh? I'm surprised Blizz banned for this. The rule always was, if it was doable without hacking the game in some way, it's legit. People used to cheese all sorts of encounters, but never got banned. The one large scale banning I can think of is when that one guild hacked their game files so in AQ so they got to skip the entirety of the instance and go straight to C'thun.

I don't even know who or what Ensidia is though... I've been out of the game since Sunwell.

[Sinestro]

They are like that because blizzard took the skill out of the game.

They're only still playing it because they get paid too thru sponsors.

Wow went from insanely challenging, to something a monkey with down syndrome could play with ease simply by bashing its head into the keyboard.

No, what they did was open content towards casuals. They gave the hardcore raiders their Hardmode which is the 'real challenge' of the raids, and any guild who boasts over a worldfirst on scrubmode is just that, scrubmode.

Especially since they force exploits at every chance possible.

[VWoolfShirt]

honestly FFTA was more accessible than the turd of FFT

i enjoyed it at the ripe old age of 15 or whenever it was

[Valorium]

I love how when the topic of WoW arises (in any game or conversation), every single person was either leader/in the top guild on their server or top guild in the world... keep it coming people.

[Evozer]

Huh? I'm surprised Blizz banned for this. The rule always was, if it was doable without hacking the game in some way, it's legit. People used to cheese all sorts of encounters, but never got banned. The one large scale banning I can think of is when that one guild hacked their game files so in AQ so they got to skip the entirety of the instance and go straight to C'thun.

I don't even know who or what Ensidia is though... I've been out of the game since Sunwell.

ensidia is nihilum and another guild (curse or sk or?) merged

But i think blizz is pissed because they couldnt release the final Wotlk encounter without bugs

[jar]

ensidia is nihilum and another guild (curse or sk or?) merged

But i think blizz is pissed because they couldnt release the final Wotlk encounter without bugs


I think you're pissed because you're an Ensidia fanboi who thinks they are e-gods. They exploited too many world firsts to not deserve what they got. C'thun, Lady Vashj, Eredar Twins, Hodir and Mimiron Hardmodes, and now this.

[Midnightoil]

exploitoing is exploiting and exploiting gets you banned

[Evozer]

I think you're pissed because you're an Ensidia fanboi who thinks they are e-gods. They exploited too many world firsts to not deserve what they got. C'thun, Lady Vashj, Eredar Twins, Hodir and Mimiron Hardmodes, and now this.

This was a boss that was never on PTR, and the bug only happened in 25man. So when they reach lich king, how could they know that out of all spells cast every second, that its a bomb causing the floor to rebuild?

And there is no proof (except for bombs being used in every fight, that was proven). So its ensidias word vs blizzards

I dont love ensidia, i hate blizzard for what they did to their game

[Evozer]

also blizzard watches every fight vs lich king, they could easily have told them to stop and let them fix it, instead of watching them beating it and then banning

If they would release any proof that ensidia intentionally exploited it, that would be enough. But why would they really? one more reason i dislike them

[Evozer]

Also, in the past they did intentionally exploit bugs, but now that it was unintentional they get banned.

[LolMaliken]

I love how when the topic of WoW arises (in any game or conversation), every single person was either leader/in the top guild on their server or top guild in the world... keep it coming people.
except when i said i wasnt? duh?

[MileyCyrus]

I love how when the topic of WoW arises (in any game or conversation), every single person was either leader/in the top guild on their server or top guild in the world... keep it coming people.

you're jealous....

April 25 2005...Sai tanked it, and me as a tauren shaman helped heal the mages. World #1 QQ

[Darxio]

Final Fantasy Tactics = Absolute God.



Eh, that game was alright, but not that great. 7/10 at best for me.

[SideKick1]

No, what they did was open content towards casuals. They gave the hardcore raiders their Hardmode which is the 'real challenge' of the raids, and any guild who boasts over a worldfirst on scrubmode is just that, scrubmode.

Especially since they force exploits at every chance possible.
you play em and WoW?
do you ever challenge yourself?

also phreak top 5 world

[Marylinn]

I love how when the topic of WoW arises (in any game or conversation), every single person was either leader/in the top guild on their server or top guild in the world... keep it coming people.
It's not like it's hard to be in a top 300 guild anymore. All of 'em over recruit to make up for the fact that 50% of their recruits play with their faces, but can still complete easy 10 man hard mode ****.

I didn't join Spike Flail until after their sever first Sunwell, but apparently before that they weren't much of a guild. :p Their claim to fame before Sunwell was their speed MC runs, which apparently could be finished in 2 nights flat. I never saw it myself, but with the efficiency that I saw for our 25 mans, I guess I could believe it.

[magnakaser]

I think you're pissed because you're an Ensidia fanboi who thinks they are e-gods. They exploited too many world firsts to not deserve what they got. C'thun, Lady Vashj, Eredar Twins, Hodir and Mimiron Hardmodes, and now this.

Eh, to be fair, Lady Vashj was completely stupid when they killed her "first". How they "exploited" was just soulstoning their whole raid and getting lucky after a few attempts, something that was made impossible shortly thereafter. The same goes for A'lar, though I think some other guild beat them to that kill.

Overall I'd give em that. They cheesed it, but the encounter was neigh impossible anyway.


I love how when the topic of WoW arises (in any game or conversation), every single person was either leader/in the top guild on their server or top guild in the world... keep it coming people.

Well, let me explain something.

A top end guild in vanilla or BC (No idea about WotLK) could have entailed hundreds of members. A "member" doesn't equate to "raider" or "officer". Also, nearly every ****ing person in every high end guild played DotA a lot between raids. So, if we take the top 10 Euro and top 10 NA guilds, we probably have a pool of at least 1000 people, probably more. I'd say a large amount of those people would be in the HoN beta now if they continued playing PC games with any interest, and that they would have a slightly higher than normal chance of posting on any WoW related topic.

As such, I don't find it too surprising many people here are claiming to be in high end guilds. It's not exactly that special a thing to say. Saying "I was in world first twin emps kill." would be slightly more unbelievable.

[gral]

Then again, I know a lot of people who would place trash like Starcraft high on their top list so as I said, personal preference...

starcraft is not trash and for saying that you are in fact a dumbass.

[jar]

Also, in the past they did intentionally exploit bugs, but now that it was unintentional they get banned.


Just like we can't prove it was intentional, you can't prove it was unintentional. You don't place Saronite bombs (with a cooldown) in the same location every attempt multiple attempts in a row without realizing you are changing the core mechanics of an encounter. That alone points more towards them knowing they were exploiting since they weren't randomly dropping something in the fight at a random time in a random place that just HAPPENED to make the encounter significantly easier.

Blizzards bosses on release are buggy. Flame Leviathan (yes, i know very easy boss) could be exploited by kiting. Many many guilds were given temp bans for doing this. It was blizzard's fault it could be done, it's your fault if you actually use the exploit. Ensidia didn't use this exploit as far as I know, but they could have. Using the disgusting oozling pet with a macro to resummon it 30 times in a second or something like that causing you to have 30 stacks of it's non-damaging debuff, which then in turn, makes your debuff table "full" and causing all debuffs on yourself to be removed instantly allowing you to take no damage in the stomach of C'thun was obviously Blizzard's fault. It was Ensidia's (Nihilum at the time) fault for using it. Spellstealing a buff from a trash mob halfway across Ulduar and using it to do 30k DPS to get world first Hodir Hardmode was obviously Blizzards fault that buff could be stolen. It was Ensidia's fault for using that exploit. Etc, Etc, do I really need to explain all the other times they have exploited fights? They should have wiped and reported the bug on Lich King instead of killing him with it. Period. It's your responsibility to not bug the encounter to ease it's difficulty. Blizzard may have people watching them do it, but who is to say that person has any power whatsoever to stop a guild from attempting a boss. Those people's jobs are likely to watch and report, not watch and police. It's not "on" blizzard to keep you from exploiting, but as you can see they obviously ban people who do.

[coolmans]

i remember when a warlock enslaved brutallus..best time ever

and the post above me is right you exploit you get banned easy as that

[Sai]

you're jealous....

April 25 2005...Sai tanked it, and me as a tauren shaman helped heal the mages. World #1 QQ


i did what?

[Sinestro]

And there is no proof (except for bombs being used in every fight, that was proven). So its ensidias word vs blizzards





If they would release any proof that ensidia intentionally exploited it, that would be enough. But why would they really? one more reason i dislike them

The proof is that they have constantly been boasting about getting world firsts specifically due to exploits that they abused.

I remember when they caught hell for having 25 lvl 16 warlocks SSing everyone before they went to one of their within the first week 'world first' fights, and when asked about it they said they do it on every fight they can.

Also, Sidekick, get off my dick. It's cute that everytime I post you go "rofl you play em do you even challenge yourself in life!" and all, but it's also rather pathetic. If I'm going to challenge myself, it's not going to be via a computer game that I play casually. It's going to be via my real life and how my careers or family turns out. Not whether or not I play easy mode or normal mode on some dotaclone.

[Tupimus]

Eh, to be fair, Lady Vashj was completely stupid when they killed her "first". How they "exploited" was just soulstoning their whole raid and getting lucky after a few attempts, something that was made impossible shortly thereafter. The same goes for A'lar, though I think some other guild beat them to that kill.

Overall I'd give em that. They cheesed it, but the encounter was neigh impossible anyway.
Like most of the "exploited" fights that people keep crying about in their anti-Ensidia arguments.

To have an example. Hodir? The fight was MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE. They were clever, used an outside damage buff and did it. That's why they didn't get banned.

But the current situation is just ridiculous, withholding them from any kind of progress for more than a week, since they have to kill the Lich King again in order to get the Heroic (hardmode) bosses and that requires two resets. One to get LK again, one to get to a fresh instance with Heroic mode allowed.

[jar]

Like most of the "exploited" fights that people keep crying about in their anti-Ensidia arguments.

To have an example. Hodir? The fight was MATHEMATICALLY PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE. They were clever, used an outside damage buff and did it. That's why they didn't get banned.

But the current situation is just ridiculous, withholding them from any kind of progress for more than a week, since they have to kill the Lich King again in order to get the Heroic (hardmode) bosses and that requires two resets. One to get LK again, one to get to a fresh instance with Heroic mode allowed.

It's not anti-Ensidia arguments, it's anti-exploiting. Yes, Hodir was mathematically impossible. But guess what, it was hotfixed that night and no other guilds got past the boss until it was nerfed several weeks later. Ensidia kept their achievements and items. How is that fair to other guilds?

You say it was "clever." Ok, I'll bite. Is it also clever to beat the Yogg-0 encounter (which was also thought to be mathematically impossible by Ensidia at the time) by having a paladin heal a lifetapping warlock in another room to bug mobs into evade? It's the same concept. Fight is impossible but through use of alternative game mechanics you are able to kill it. The guild that did this got a 3 day ban and achievements removed. Kiting Flame Leviathan around the terrace to the door is clever too right? Oh wait, those guilds that did that got 3 day bans and items removed.

Also, do I really need to repeat myself for the third time in this thread? They exploited C'thun, Lady Vashj (tried to), Eredar Twins, and Mimiron. That isn't including the many fights they soulstoned the whole raid. You might argue those are clever uses of game mechanics. But I, and many many others, would argue those are intentional exploitation of game mechanics to kill bosses you wouldn't have killed. They deserve to be penalized for doing this. They don't deserve the same chances other guilds who didn't exploit have.

Not like it matters anyway because some other guild came in and killed him on the first shot of 20 attempts making Ensidia look even worse for having to exploit to kill him.

[MileyCyrus]

i did what?

:) Not you bro :D Our tank was named Sai

[Evozer]

Just like we can't prove it was intentional, you can't prove it was unintentional. You don't place Saronite bombs (with a cooldown) in the same location every attempt multiple attempts in a row without realizing you are changing the core mechanics of an encounter. That alone points more towards them knowing they were exploiting since they weren't randomly dropping something in the fight at a random time in a random place that just HAPPENED to make the encounter significantly easier.

Blizzards bosses on release are buggy. Flame Leviathan (yes, i know very easy boss) could be exploited by kiting. Many many guilds were given temp bans for doing this. It was blizzard's fault it could be done, it's your fault if you actually use the exploit. Ensidia didn't use this exploit as far as I know, but they could have. Using the disgusting oozling pet with a macro to resummon it 30 times in a second or something like that causing you to have 30 stacks of it's non-damaging debuff, which then in turn, makes your debuff table "full" and causing all debuffs on yourself to be removed instantly allowing you to take no damage in the stomach of C'thun was obviously Blizzard's fault. It was Ensidia's (Nihilum at the time) fault for using it. Spellstealing a buff from a trash mob halfway across Ulduar and using it to do 30k DPS to get world first Hodir Hardmode was obviously Blizzards fault that buff could be stolen. It was Ensidia's fault for using that exploit. Etc, Etc, do I really need to explain all the other times they have exploited fights? They should have wiped and reported the bug on Lich King instead of killing him with it. Period. It's your responsibility to not bug the encounter to ease it's difficulty. Blizzard may have people watching them do it, but who is to say that person has any power whatsoever to stop a guild from attempting a boss. Those people's jobs are likely to watch and report, not watch and police. It's not "on" blizzard to keep you from exploiting, but as you can see they obviously ban people who do.

The bombs were used in every fight, and they were still only used against units and how could they know that a bomb rebuilds the floor?

GMs are capable of doing almost everything in WoW, they could transform the entire raid to penguins if they wanted to.

Blizzard watching one of the first attempts of the last boss of wotlk and not telling the raid to let them fix an obvious bug is just wierd. I mean, they fixed a bug on illidan between attempts when nihilum and SK fought him

[Juular]

What happened to games being fun?

Oh, sorry, I forgot that this was the internet.

[Valorium]

Well, let me explain something.

A top end guild in vanilla or BC (No idea about WotLK) could have entailed hundreds of members. A "member" doesn't equate to "raider" or "officer". Also, nearly every ****ing person in every high end guild played DotA a lot between raids. So, if we take the top 10 Euro and top 10 NA guilds, we probably have a pool of at least 1000 people, probably more. I'd say a large amount of those people would be in the HoN beta now if they continued playing PC games with any interest, and that they would have a slightly higher than normal chance of posting on any WoW related topic.

As such, I don't find it too surprising many people here are claiming to be in high end guilds. It's not exactly that special a thing to say. Saying "I was in world first twin emps kill." would be slightly more unbelievable.

Apparently I didn't make myself clear...

This is not a phenomenon exclusive to these forums/community. I'm talking about everyday conversations with people as well. I remember at the midnight release of both Burning Crusade and Wrath, nearly everyone I talked to claimed to be some big important figure in the world or on a lower level, their server. I just find it hard to believe statistically that every person who showed up was either in or leader of one of the top 5 guilds on their server.

@Marylinn: I'm aware that WoW is not a hard game by any stretch of the imagination. All you have to do is show up to every raid, press 1 through 4 for a few hours and get handed gear.

[SideKick1]

The proof is that they have constantly been boasting about getting world firsts specifically due to exploits that they abused.

I remember when they caught hell for having 25 lvl 16 warlocks SSing everyone before they went to one of their within the first week 'world first' fights, and when asked about it they said they do it on every fight they can.

Also, Sidekick, get off my dick. It's cute that everytime I post you go "rofl you play em do you even challenge yourself in life!" and all, but it's also rather pathetic. If I'm going to challenge myself, it's not going to be via a computer game that I play casually. It's going to be via my real life and how my careers or family turns out. Not whether or not I play easy mode or normal mode on some dotaclone.
nerd rage
why dont you tell us more about how great of a troll you are

phreak top 5 in world

[jar]

The bombs were used in every fight, and they were still only used against units and how could they know that a bomb rebuilds the floor?

GMs are capable of doing almost everything in WoW, they could transform the entire raid to penguins if they wanted to.

Blizzard watching one of the first attempts of the last boss of wotlk and not telling the raid to let them fix an obvious bug is just wierd. I mean, they fixed a bug on illidan between attempts when nihilum and SK fought him


You honestly believe that they happened to randomly place the bombs in spots to where it caused this bug multiple attempts in a row and didn't know that they were bugging the encounter? A guild with a history of exploiting bosses randomly causes a boss to bug out (multiple times in a row the exact same way), but doesn't know they are bugging out the boss and making it significantly easier. Gullible much?

Yes, GM's are capable of lots of things. However, being capable and be allowed are two different things. Most GM's are underpaid teenagers or young 20's who work in cubicles and do what they are told by their supervisors. They aren't 1337 programmers who can whip up fixes to bugs in a flash. Like I said earlier, their job is to observe and report. Occasionally one will be cool and come into your 5 man group or raid and turn people into random things. However, just because they did not act on Ensidia at the time does not mean they failed.

ONCE AGAIN, they had every opportunity to stop attempting the boss and report the bug. Or kill the boss like the other guild did who got world first legitamately.