View Full Version : Fall of the Lich King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0EJTeQ5gw&feature=player_embedded
For all of the HoN players out there that played DotA and enjoyed Warcraft 3,
this is the ending cinematic for the continued story of Arthas the Lich King in World of Warcraft.
Such a massive disappointment.
http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg
edit: new link because blizzard removed the old one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA29HFLOADI
Banished
02-01-2010, 09:00 PM
....I expected fail but man.
They exceeded even what I expected. This is.. wow. I'm so happy I quit.
Edit: Topic should be Fail of the Lich King
Drasha
02-01-2010, 09:01 PM
that was pretty bad not going to lie.
Maide
02-01-2010, 09:07 PM
When they decided to kill of their legendary heroes/villains, this is all you can possibly expect.
Sparkys1
02-01-2010, 09:08 PM
Well, i thought it was good.
I wanted Arthas' original Warcraft 3 voice at least :\
Edit: Topic should be Fail of the Lich King
Quoted for truth.
Well, while killing off their legendary characters isn't the greatest move to begin with. Seriously? They have previews and everything up to this point in full blown high definition cinematics with Arthas' original voice etc, then when it actually comes down to plot progression, they make this crap?
What a retarded ending as well, what was the point of killing Arthas then? It made it feel so pointless, because the Lich Kings power corrupts. There's no reason not to deal with the uncontrollable scourge, whats-his-face will just become a new Lich King and unify the scourge for a greater degree of destruction and chaos. That was the whole point - was it not?, to rid the world of the scourge. It just spits in the face of anyone who followed/played WoW up to this point. It makes all the past characters efforts left in complete vain and makes you want to murder the people who managed to completely ruin the ending to such a great tale.
Well, i thought it was good.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Jaxxor
02-01-2010, 09:22 PM
Well, i thought it was good.
Have you seen the Warcraft III: Frozen Throne (2003) Ending?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHY85O8mFo8&feature=related
This is a million steps back. Why oh why, did they use their in-game footage. Why couldn't it have been an epic cinematic like the game they released in 2003.
If you look at the related videos, Warcraft Lore 1-9 are all cinematics from Frozen Throne, they all have beautiful cinematics/graphics.
Edit: Following up on what some others have said, I remember seeing the introduction to Wrath of the Lich King.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nestrapez#p/c/3D0028244772C11C/11/e2pjatCxc0Y
Epicness, Arthas raising a Frost Wyrm from the ground, and to end the game... this crappy piece of turd. -makes me sad...
Neurofo
02-01-2010, 09:22 PM
"There always needs to be a Lich King"
"The Scourage will be more powerful without a Lich King"
"I must take the responsibility, not you, because you have a destiny..."
Boring plot lines much?
Gedok
02-01-2010, 09:28 PM
It doesn't take much to be a writer nowadays.
Frump
02-01-2010, 09:32 PM
Well, that was terrible.
Fozzle
02-01-2010, 09:38 PM
They better not fail this badly at SC2.
babelfish
02-01-2010, 09:38 PM
w00t the wow eu retards seems to like the movie :z
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=12304394438&sid=1
War_Mech
02-01-2010, 09:53 PM
Now on to Deathwing! Honestly though - they made Arthas a huge pushover in WoW
devilesk
02-01-2010, 10:21 PM
They better not fail this badly at SC2.
There will always need to be a Queen of Blades!
OTRobin
02-01-2010, 10:26 PM
consider that there is a good chance that the good writers were moved to SC2 or the next diablo
or the next expansion. nice how they work on that more than the content they previously promised you
Baarak
02-01-2010, 10:27 PM
I didnt really think it was that bad, thank god I quit I assume the fight was horrible and boring like the rest of wotlk. wtb sunwell
Blockk
02-01-2010, 10:37 PM
As epic and amazing the ending Frozen Throne cinematic was, it's extremely sad that they killed off the villain with the best story so easily.
Macefire
02-01-2010, 10:52 PM
Bolvar is taking control of the scourge so he can control them and, with that power, stop them.
Its his destiny to end the scourge, and that's just what he's doing.
With that said, shitty movie, wish they could actually give 11 million players good material
Tyrando
02-01-2010, 11:05 PM
World of Warcraft, ruining Lore at its best ><
always has to be a Lich King? my arse, Kil'jeaden created the first, the scourge are just a friggen tool that could easily be eradicated.
good god i hope they dont ruin Deathwing, o wait.. no doubt they will
PistoIero
02-02-2010, 02:14 AM
Where can I find the song at the beggining? Its amazing!
Randomguy360
02-02-2010, 02:50 AM
Should see the mmochamp page with this video on it, bunch of raging wowtards eating their **** sandwich and asking for more.
ShootinPutin
02-02-2010, 05:21 AM
Who didn't expect Arthas to die anyway? And while I'm at it:
The Dutchman must have a captain!
I wonder who they will kill off next?
Makes me want to play the warcraft games to understand what the hell is going on.
Dederd
02-02-2010, 06:57 AM
Where can I find the song at the beggining? Its amazing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86f_U_q4SFg
I just read through the comments on MMO champ, for the lulz, and sadly the majority of the fanbois there are eating it up. I saw like one or two people say they didn't like the cinematic, and the rest were like "AMG BEST EVAR ENDING, WHAR R LEWTZ" sadly. I haven't watched the cinematic yet, though.
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 09:25 AM
It's not just that. WTF ARE THEY DOING WITH THE HELMET?!
Ner'Zhul was not just "A Helmet". His essence was trapped in the Frozen Throne and the armor. Arthas put on the helmet not just as a physical act, but symbolically, to represent the rise of the new Lich King.
THE NEW LICH KING, I.e. THE MERGING OF NER'ZHUL AND ARTHAS, NOT THE : Put on the k E w L Helm of power MOGGGG.
They got everything wrong. You don't just put on the helm and magically become the lich king /Facepalm
And then there's the obvious dip in quality(Cinematic vs. in game graphic) AND there's the fact that they did not use Arthas' original voice actor *AND* there is no throwback to all the people who wanted Arthas dead(No shot of Sylvannas? no echo through Northrend and Lordaeron showcasing all of the undead affected by his demise? NOTHING?!?!).
Ugh, I am ashamed to have ever played World of Warcraft(Damn you ... people who made me play it!).
...
Uhhh, for someone who liked the lore of WC3, you couldn't be any more wrong in this post. The Helm of Domination and Plate of the Damned not only holds Ner'Zhul spirit but the Helm grants you control over the Scourge. Putting on the Helmet is what makes you the Lich King, as you are given control over the Scourge and fuse with Ner'zhul. Yes, Arthas put on the helmet to represent the rise of the Lich King, because that is when he became him...
All Frostmourne or the Plate does is corrupt you, Frostmourne made Arthas the Lich King's greatest Death Knight, freeing Ner'zhul's spirit and placing the Helm on him gave him his powers.
The Frozen Throne has absolutely nothing to do with Ner'Zhul/Lich King's power either, it was just a place that contained Ner'Zhuls spirit inside his equipment (Helm of Domination, Plate of the Damned, and Frostmourne) safely.
From the WarCraft 3 manual:
"When Kil'Jaeden cast Ner'zhul's icy cask back into the world of Azeroth, the hardened crystal streaked across the night sky and smashed into the desolate arctic continent of Northrend, burying itself deep within the Icecrown Glacier. The frozen crystal, warped and scarred by its violent descent, came to resemble a throne, and Ner'zhul's vengeful spirit soon stirred within it. From the confines of the Frozen Throne, Ner'zhul began to reach out his vast consciousness and touch the minds of Northrend's native inhabitants."
All the Frozen Throne is now is just that, a throne, after Arthas smashed it.
I mean, seriously, why do you think Ner'zhul said "Now...we are one!" right after Arthas put the helmet on?
Randomguy360
02-02-2010, 10:40 AM
And that lore is from ... where exactly? that's right, World of Warcraft, next.
You know, your statements, aside from the WoW lore bit, quotes and source info do nothing to contradict anything I said, if anything you're reinforcing all of the points I made.
Let me say it again, it was very explicitly stated that the Scourge were created to ease the passing of the Burning Legion. Ner'Zhul was given control of the Scourge for these purposes. Let me say it again *Ner'Zhul was given control of the Scourge to help the Burning Legion*. There was never any mention of this McGuffin of a Helmet, not in game, not in the manual.
The reason why Arthas/Lich King acquired power over the Scourge, once again, was explicitly stated(Or at least VERY strongly implied) as being his union with Ner'Zhul. I played WoW and realized that almost all of the lore was horribly butchered, this is another instance of that.
Perhaps you are a fan of WoW, I am not, I am a fan of the WC franchise, right back to Orcs and Humans over 10-15 years ago.
The Death of Arthas/Ner'Zhul entity should have been way more dramatic than that, along with the fact that it shouldn't be remedied by "MOGG PUT THE HELM ON AND ALL IS OK LOLOLOL". Once again, it *COMPLETELY* contradicts everything that was stated about the Scourge and the Lich King.
...
no, he was right..
Frostmourne only corrupted arthas, when arthas obtained Frostmourne, Ner'Zhul started to grab hold of arthas, only when arthas put on the helmet did he become the lich king and go full blown evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2C_7QLwsnc&feature=related
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 11:16 AM
And that lore is from ... where exactly? that's right, World of Warcraft, next.
You know, your statements, aside from the WoW lore bit, quotes and source info do nothing to contradict anything I said, if anything you're reinforcing all of the points I made.
Let me say it again, it was very explicitly stated that the Scourge were created to ease the passing of the Burning Legion. Ner'Zhul was given control of the Scourge for these purposes. Let me say it again *Ner'Zhul was given control of the Scourge to help the Burning Legion*. There was never any mention of this McGuffin of a Helmet, not in game, not in the manual.
The reason why Arthas/Lich King acquired power over the Scourge, once again, was explicitly stated(Or at least VERY strongly implied) as being his union with Ner'Zhul. I played WoW and realized that almost all of the lore was horribly butchered, this is another instance of that.
Perhaps you are a fan of WoW, I am not, I am a fan of the WC franchise, right back to Orcs and Humans over 10-15 years ago.
The Death of Arthas/Ner'Zhul entity should have been way more dramatic than that, along with the fact that it shouldn't be remedied by "MOGG PUT THE HELM ON AND ALL IS OK LOLOLOL". Once again, it *COMPLETELY* contradicts everything that was stated about the Scourge and the Lich King.
...
No dude, the Helm of Domination and Plate of the Damned have been known about since before WoW, they are, combined with Frostmourne, the 3 items that the Lich King, Ner'zhul, owns. Watch the ending cinematic of The Frozen Throne, it's pretty damn obvious that he puts on the Helm of Domination and that causes him to fuse with Ner'zhul. Frostmourne corrupts Arthas and through it Ner'zhul tells Arthas to release Ner'zhul. Arthas does so, puts on the helmet, and at that instant, Ner'zhul speaks to Arthas, "Now, we are one."
It is the helmet that makes the Lich King, the Lich King. Without it, he has no power over the Scourge, with no power over the Scourge, the Lich King has no way to gain any real power, as it was his feeding on the Scourge's growing ranks that gave him his exponentially growing powers that the Dreadlords noticed.
You can't really argue this point since the video above, the end cinematic of The Frozen Throne, pretty much confirms this. The only thing World of Warcraft has added to the Lich King saga, is Bolvar Fordragon, a man who was saved from death by the power of Alexstrasza at Wrathgate, becoming the new Lich King. His case is special in that he is imbued with the power of the Life Binder, and he seems to be resisting Ner'zhuls grasp (for now), shown by his eyes glowing fiery red, rather than blue.
If you're going to rage over Blizzard not knowing their lore, you should at least know it yourself. The Helm of Domination is Ner'zhul, anyone who puts it on fuses their spirit with his.
EDIT: I am not a fan of WoW btw, I only got into it when WotLK came out just because I wanted to see the Arthas saga end. It's a pretty subpar game, without the Warcraft lore attached to it I wouldn't have bothered. They did not "butcher" the lore btw, everything that has happened in-game makes sense with pre-existing lore and follows all their retcons made in WarCraft 3, a game that I will note far "butchered" WarCraft 1 & 2's lore more than World of Warcraft ever possibly could have. It's pretty obvious at this point they are moving the lore forwards to create a Fourth War on Azeroth, but to create war again they need to resolve many issues, namely the Lich King (done), Deathwing (coming soon), and the ever looming threat of the Burning Legion and Sargeras who is wandering the Twisting Nether.
BodyHammer
02-02-2010, 11:21 AM
ITT: Nerd thread.
And it is entertaining.
They did not "butcher" the lore btw, everything that has happened in-game makes sense with pre-existing lore and follows all their retcons made in WarCraft 3
While I really can't agree or disagree with most of your points since I am not a WC lore expert. I find the whole Draenei story (in WoW) to be complete rubbish and lazy writing/story development.
www.lorelol.ytmnd.com (http://www.lorelol.ytmnd.com)
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 11:30 AM
While I really can't agree or disagree with most of your points since I am not a WC lore expert. I find the whole Draenei story (in WoW) to be complete rubbish and lazy writing/story development.
www.lorelol.ytmnd.com (http://www.lorelol.ytmnd.com)
What part of it?
TomKat
02-02-2010, 11:41 AM
It was pretty boring, but then what would have been a "good ending" ?
SaCaRoMiCeS
02-02-2010, 12:02 PM
would be better if they made Arthas yelling back madly at his father and everyone else, unable to accept defeat coz he's the one, true king.
Arthas' redemption was the gayest scene ever.
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 12:10 PM
It was pretty boring, but then what would have been a "good ending" ?
The problem is there was no good ending possible. A "good ending" would have been Arthas being redeemed and finally getting with Jaina, but the problem with that is you'd have to somehow take the Helm of Domination off of him while he's still alive and not weakened at all which is about impossible. The only way to save Arthas was to weaken him enough to near death so the Helm could be taken off.
Of course this creates a problem of no one in control of the Scourge. The Scourge is kind of like a domestic rottweiler vs a wild rottweiler. The Scourge under the LK's control is domestic, they're still very deadly, but they're more controlled, more organized, more predictable in a way. The Scourge with no master is like a wild rottweiler, there is nothing holding them back, no small shred of Arthas' humanity bothering them, no predictability, no organization, just a gigantic horde of crazed beings destroying everything they can get their hands on. It'd be the perfect time for other beings to attack as well, and after exhausting most of their strength withering down Icecrown Citadel and the current LK's forces, the forces of Light would not be prepared for that fight, not at all.
In reality even though this ending isn't very good and I kind of hate it, it is the best ending possible without destroying the lore behind the Lich King's existence. There is now a Lich King who was not tainted by Frostmourne and is currently protected by a higher power to ward off the corruption Ner'zhul has, keeping Azeroth safe and more importantly gives its denizens hope that they don't have to live in fear from the Lich King any longer, for now anyways.
It's a really big morale boost and it brings the races closer, something they need pretty bad should Deathwing, the Burning Legion, or Sargeras ever choose to show up. Divided and in war, they won't survive any of those things and that's why the Alliance and Horde are barely getting along as is.
---
Since Theriana didn't respond yet, I don't know what the big deal is about the Draenei story in WoW. The thing that catches most people who don't know a lot about Warcraft off guard is the spaceship thing. The spaceship thing makes sense, there is plenty of planets in the universe that we know about, and anyone with such advanced magic like the Naaru could easily create a spaceship with enough know how to traverse space after enough trial and error.
The whole Draenei story prior to WoW itself is that Sargeras, Destroyer of Worlds, came to their planet Argus and corrupted 2 of the 3 leaders of the Draenei, Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde. The 3rd leader, Velen, had a vision of the corruption that would take place and took some of his people who seemed trustworthy and they were shepherd by the Naaru to another planet entirely on a spaceship.
All of this takes place a long time before WarCraft 1 even, as we the players know the planet the Draenei landed, as they began to call it Draenor. Of course, we know the rest of the story from there, they met the shamanistic orcs who lived there, Kil'Jaeden hunted the exiles, discovered Draenor, and corrupted many of the orcs. Almost 80% of the Draenei race was destroyed by the corrupted Orcs, who then went on to go through Medivh's portal to attack Azeroth in the First War in WarCraft 1.
As more Dark Portals opened on Draenor, the planet began to tear apart, into the form you see in TBC. They found a satellite station used in Tempest Keep (a former fortress made by the Naaru) and used it to escape to Azeroth, not knowing how to use it themselves they crashed on Azeroth rather than landing safely on it, but they meant to go there because the planet of Draenor was simply not very safe for their people.
I don't get what part of this is lazy or rubbish, sci-fish elements have been in WarCraft for awhile, portals that transport people at faster than light speeds, alien beings (the orcs), etc. It fits very well.
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 03:20 PM
i dont get it
its not like the lich king died with arthas
whats stopping him from taking over this new guys mind and continuing destroying the world
Well_Shebber
02-02-2010, 03:27 PM
I was going to get involved in this discussion, but this level of nerdery is over even my head.
And I've watched every Star Trek episode, ever. =/
ShootinPutin
02-02-2010, 03:32 PM
i dont get it
its not like the lich king died with arthas
whats stopping him from taking over this new guys mind and continuing destroying the world
Bolvar is badass.
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 03:39 PM
Bolvar is badass.
.
when arthas took up frostmourne it consumed his soul.
whats stopping ner'zhul from consuming "Bolvars" soul?
Arthas was a paladin, if frostmourne could take his soul it could easily take this Bolvar guys soul
i dont get it.
ShootinPutin
02-02-2010, 03:45 PM
.
when arthas took up frostmourne it consumed his soul.
whats stopping ner'zhul from consuming "Bolvars" soul?
Arthas was a paladin, if frostmourne could take his soul it could easily take this Bolvar guys soul
i dont get it.
Because Alexztrasza burned him, that means a lot.
OTBatman
02-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Blizzard can make amazing cinematic, why in the world did they use the in-game models...
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 03:46 PM
Because Alexztrasza burned him, that means a lot.
who the **** is alexztrasza
Nuk_Duck
02-02-2010, 03:49 PM
Wow... What a joke cinematic. Sad to say they destroyed the WC3 storyline by using shitty WoW models and using random characters who nobody knows other than wow addicts.
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 03:52 PM
Wow... What a joke cinematic. Sad to say they destroyed the WC3 storyline by using shitty WoW models and using random characters who nobody knows other than wow addicts.
!support
WC3 storyline was AWESOME
sffdjivcnxikj
TomKat
02-02-2010, 04:04 PM
who the **** is alexztrasza
Wasn't she the one who turned into a dragon that you have to "save" by killing her?
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 04:04 PM
oh right
the queen of the red drakes
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 04:34 PM
i dont get it
its not like the lich king died with arthas
whats stopping him from taking over this new guys mind and continuing destroying the world
Bolvar was burned by the Life-Binder when he was basically dead, so he's been purified.
.
when arthas took up frostmourne it consumed his soul.
whats stopping ner'zhul from consuming "Bolvars" soul?
Arthas was a paladin, if frostmourne could take his soul it could easily take this Bolvar guys soul
i dont get it.
Frostmourne is destroyed during this fight with the Lich King, so it no longer exists. The thing is, Frostmourne merely corrupted Arthas, fed on his fear and twisted it, then the Helm just finished the job by fusing the two souls together. At the end of the cinematic, you can tell that Bolvar and Ner'zhul have fused souls from the voice difference etc, however it seems Bolvar has more control because of the red eyes and him sealing himself inside the throne.
Nothing is stopping Ner'zhul from maybe winning control over Bolvar, but it is highly unlikely. Paladins are not infallible, they are still human, just humans who are more in touch with the Light. That's why Arthas as a subject worked so well, he was afraid during the plague and so he set out to end the cause at any cost, blinding him so much that he took a cursed weapon that became his undoing. In the end, the Helmet merely fused one evil soul with another corrupted "evil" soul. In this Lich King, you have an evil spirit and a very pure untainted one in Bolvar.
It's also why the Helmet seemed to call out to Tirion, Tirion, while pure, wasn't gifted by the Life-Binder, so he would be far easier to corrupt and a much more likely subject to become under Ner'zhuls control.
</nerd posts>
thethedead
02-02-2010, 04:35 PM
Yup she's the red dragon queen lady.
SideKick1
02-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Bolvar was burned by the Life-Binder when he was basically dead, so he's been purified.
Frostmourne is destroyed during this fight with the Lich King, so it no longer exists. The thing is, Frostmourne merely corrupted Arthas, fed on his fear and twisted it, then the Helm just finished the job by fusing the two souls together. At the end of the cinematic, you can tell that Bolvar and Ner'zhul have fused souls from the voice difference etc, however it seems Bolvar has more control because of the red eyes and him sealing himself inside the throne.
Nothing is stopping Ner'zhul from maybe winning control over Bolvar, but it is highly unlikely. Paladins are not infallible, they are still human, just humans who are more in touch with the Light. That's why Arthas as a subject worked so well, he was afraid during the plague and so he set out to end the cause at any cost, blinding him so much that he took a cursed weapon that became his undoing. In the end, the Helmet merely fused one evil soul with another corrupted "evil" soul. In this Lich King, you have an evil spirit and a very pure untainted one in Bolvar.
It's also why the Helmet seemed to call out to Tirion, Tirion, while pure, wasn't gifted by the Life-Binder, so he would be far easier to corrupt and a much more likely subject to become under Ner'zhuls control.
</nerd posts>
nono
frostmourne literally devoured arthas's soul as you find out in the RoC campaign arthas comments on his lack of ability to feel and the dreadlord varthimas(?) comments that it is because frostmourne consumes the souls of its victims and arthas's was the first one it claimed then arthas comments that he doesnt care about not having a soul
FulgoreSama
02-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Bolvar was burned by the Life-Binder when he was basically dead, so he's been purified.
Frostmourne is destroyed during this fight with the Lich King, so it no longer exists. The thing is, Frostmourne merely corrupted Arthas, fed on his fear and twisted it, then the Helm just finished the job by fusing the two souls together. At the end of the cinematic, you can tell that Bolvar and Ner'zhul have fused souls from the voice difference etc, however it seems Bolvar has more control because of the red eyes and him sealing himself inside the throne.
Nothing is stopping Ner'zhul from maybe winning control over Bolvar, but it is highly unlikely. Paladins are not infallible, they are still human, just humans who are more in touch with the Light. That's why Arthas as a subject worked so well, he was afraid during the plague and so he set out to end the cause at any cost, blinding him so much that he took a cursed weapon that became his undoing. In the end, the Helmet merely fused one evil soul with another corrupted "evil" soul. In this Lich King, you have an evil spirit and a very pure untainted one in Bolvar.
It's also why the Helmet seemed to call out to Tirion, Tirion, while pure, wasn't gifted by the Life-Binder, so he would be far easier to corrupt and a much more likely subject to become under Ner'zhuls control.
</nerd posts>
This guy just dumped a whole **** load of logic.
That's what I call knowledge.
"nono
frostmourne literally devoured arthas's soul as you find out in the RoC campaign arthas comments on his lack of ability to feel and the dreadlord varthimas(?) comments that it is because frostmourne consumes the souls of its victims and arthas's was the first one it claimed then arthas comments that he doesnt care about not having a soul"
Well yeah that's also true but everything else said is pretty damn on the spot
InsaneChef
02-02-2010, 05:34 PM
blizzard removed it
spoiler: it sucked
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 05:54 PM
Yeah Frostmourne starts by corrupting and eventually drains the soul of the wielder into the sword, but the soul isn't literally lost as it is still fused with Ner'zhul later on.
Not that it matters anymore since it gets destroyed but still.
Seldome
02-02-2010, 06:16 PM
I didn't get to see the movie seeing it was removed.. If thats a good or bad thing i won't comment. However, just by knowing Bolvard didn't die under the assult... Lich King Being as weak as Blizzard made him in the end.. And the Fact that the Souls didn't fuse at all.. There was no soul in arthas after The Frostmourn had Consumed it, hence he was an empty shell... Bolvard hasn't lost his (even tho the Loser of a paladin deserves to be dead)
But still, this ending is some raped up **** from a Alliance fan that says paladins forever.. Shitty Milking of a great story line.. Id' Rather they Make a WC4 and give the Lore lovers a better story than the stuff in wow that just let's you get stronger and stronger until 25 people will rule the world.. Chris you could 2 man Ony on 70! This is just wrong... Long live Humans greed and lust for money...
Why not make a Book instead of rape the whole ****..
Just my 2 cent's
Peace
LolMaliken
02-02-2010, 06:23 PM
Chris you could 2 man Ony on 70!
1 man as a prot pally. and a holy pally.... and actually a ret pally... know a guy who did em.
and i personally wanna know more about medivh because he was my favorite person in the whole warcraft universe. for being such a powerful guy he sure didnt have a big impact from the lore side :(
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 06:38 PM
I didn't get to see the movie seeing it was removed.. If thats a good or bad thing i won't comment. However, just by knowing Bolvard didn't die under the assult... Lich King Being as weak as Blizzard made him in the end.. And the Fact that the Souls didn't fuse at all.. There was no soul in arthas after The Frostmourn had Consumed it, hence he was an empty shell... Bolvard hasn't lost his (even tho the Loser of a paladin deserves to be dead)
The souls *did* fuse ("Now, we are one..."). Frostmourne's abilities, besides corrupting people, is it can steal the souls of the living and contain them within its blade and Ner'zhul can control soulless people using it (how he got Arthas to free him from the throne, he controlled him via the sword).
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter5.html#40
Arthas placed the unimaginably powerful helm on his head and became the new Lich King. Ner'zhul and Arthas' spirits fused into a single mighty being, just as Ner'zhul had always planned.
War_Mech
02-02-2010, 07:15 PM
Currently Arthas, the new and immortal Lich King, resides in Northrend; he is rumored to be rebuilding the citadel of Icecrown.Hey! It says he is immortal! How did he die?
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 07:18 PM
Hey! It says he is immortal! How did he die?
I hope you're kidding cause:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/442.xml
Immortality in Warcraft does not mean the thing you does. :P
War_Mech
02-02-2010, 07:23 PM
Oh what the hell, WoW has it's own little dictionary changing the meaning of words? Anyway, I thought the scourge was controlled without there being a physical being of the 'Lich King' being controlled by Ner'zhul in the armor. So why would they need one again if there technically was always the Lich King as long as this existed. Or does this have to do with that stuff about Ner'zhul being killed in that dream? I don't even understand anymore; I might be better off trying to understand War Hammer / 40k lore.
DarkNecrid
02-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Oh what the hell, WoW has it's own little dictionary changing the meaning of words? Anyway, I thought the scourge was controlled without there being a physical being of the 'Lich King' being controlled by Ner'zhul in the armor. So why would they need one again if there technically was always the Lich King as long as this existed. Or does this have to do with that stuff about Ner'zhul being killed in that dream? I don't even understand anymore; I might be better off trying to understand War Hammer / 40k lore.
This is true, Ner'zhul created the Scourge while he was trapped in the Frozen Throne without a physical host, and it's a very good question. It's important to note that during this time though, he and the Scourge were bound by the will of his demonic master, Kil'Jaeden.
He helped the Alliance destroy the Skull of Gul'dan and hurt the Burning Legions efforts, and during this time broke free of Kil'Jaedens will and actually controlled the Scourge fairly well. However, Illidan did that one spell at the Tomb of Sargeras, using the Eye of Sargeras to try to destroy the Lich King under orders of Kil'Jaeden, but he was interrupted. None-the-less, enough fel energy was released which fractured the Lich King's prison and weakened his power, causing the Forsaken to be created because they lost their link to him. One could assume that this is why he needs the physical host, that fracture makes him much weaker on his own, and without a physical being he can't fully control the Scourge with the Helm of Domination, which would lead those he can't control to either go mad or become Forsaken (not much better since they are secretly trying to make a bio weapon to wipe anyone not Forsaken out...).
Narfle
02-02-2010, 08:57 PM
Hi, i take rip-offs of LOTR way too serious as well, lets talk about dragons and how they add to global warming.
Lamer883
02-02-2010, 11:52 PM
like the storyline, nvr liked left click mmorpgs
ShootinPutin
02-03-2010, 03:23 AM
Okay, the MAJOR problem I have with that abysmal "Ending" is that it ignores everything that was established in WC3. That is, Arthas being separated from Ner'Zhul along with his death, but even more than that... WHY DID THEY PULL A "there must always be a lich king" OUT OF THEIR ASS?!?
Here are the facts:
Ner'Zhul was indeed the dominant power of the Scourge, but he is NOT the Scourge, he is not an absolute.
Ner'Zhul as the Lich King had Lieutenants(Anub'Arak, Kel'Thuzad, Arthas himself) which controlled their own sections of the Scourge(See Warcraft 3 and TFT Undead campaigns), this fact already contradicts the "The Lich King IS the Scourge!!!" implication. To make matters worse, Sylvannas Windrunner also had her own sect of undead which broke off from the Scourge/Lich King and turned into the Forsaken, which worked out fine for them.
What would prevent those lieutenants to go apesh*t once the Lich King was dead? Of course they want there to be a lich king to control the Scourge, or it would screw all of Azeroth.
SideKick1
02-03-2010, 04:12 AM
Once again, the above quoted works against your theory, not in favor.
Yet again, the above quoted is based purely on WoW butchering the lore as it has no mention in WC3 or WC2.
Uh, no, if anything it proves that the "Ending" to the Arthas storyline is even more retarded.
The end of TFT clearly states that Ner'Zhul and Arthas merged to form a new Lich king, I keep telling you, that it was FIRMLY established that Arthas and Ner'Zhul ceased to exist and they formed a new entity "Now we are one".
It had NOTHING to do with the physical helmet, at least not before WoW came along.
There is so much wrong with the above quoted that I don't even know where to start.
(Long lore related rant coming)
Okay, the MAJOR problem I have with that abysmal "Ending" is that it ignores everything that was established in WC3. That is, Arthas being separated from Ner'Zhul along with his death, but even more than that... WHY DID THEY PULL A "there must always be a lich king" OUT OF THEIR ASS?!?
Here are the facts:
Ner'Zhul was indeed the dominant power of the Scourge, but he is NOT the Scourge, he is not an absolute.
Ner'Zhul as the Lich King had Lieutenants(Anub'Arak, Kel'Thuzad, Arthas himself) which controlled their own sections of the Scourge(See Warcraft 3 and TFT Undead campaigns), this fact already contradicts the "The Lich King IS the Scourge!!!" implication. To make matters worse, Sylvannas Windrunner also had her own sect of undead which broke off from the Scourge/Lich King and turned into the Forsaken, which worked out fine for them.
Now...
Do I even need to explain why Arthas being redeemed is completely retarded? I don't think that requires an explanation really.
it should be noted that Sylvannas was only freed from the lich king because of circumstances
when the lich king was weakened a deadlord freed her from his will
had their been no dreadlord involvement she probably would have been rebound to the lich king when he regained his powers
lmfao i can't believe blizzard removed the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA29HFLOADI
new link, updated first post.
WetMistress
02-03-2010, 02:03 PM
What would prevent those lieutenants to go apesh*t once the Lich King was dead? Of course they want there to be a lich king to control the Scourge, or it would screw all of Azeroth.
how would a leaderless army of scourge screw over azeroth any more than a scourge army with direction??
couldn't they just kill the lich king and then, say, kill the scourge army and then not have to worry about them any longer? wouldnt designating a new leader mean that the scourge army could now be directed again and potentially grow??
no, blizzard pulled this "has to be a lich king" bullshit out of their ass. then they decided not to explain it. GG WC story.
ShootinPutin
02-03-2010, 04:53 PM
how would a leaderless army of scourge screw over azeroth any more than a scourge army with direction??
couldn't they just kill the lich king and then, say, kill the scourge army and then not have to worry about them any longer? wouldnt designating a new leader mean that the scourge army could now be directed again and potentially grow??
no, blizzard pulled this "has to be a lich king" bullshit out of their ass. then they decided not to explain it. GG WC story.
As DarkNecrid said before (I think it was DarkNecrid) a Scourge attacking everywhere would not only be a general pain itself, it would open up for others who hold a grudge towards either the Horde or Alliance to attack as well. It would be chaos.
Blastin
02-04-2010, 02:09 AM
Well apparently the fight is really,really,really epic lore-wise.. But not challening at all.
WetMistress
02-04-2010, 02:13 AM
As DarkNecrid said before (I think it was DarkNecrid) a Scourge attacking everywhere would not only be a general pain itself, it would open up for others who hold a grudge towards either the Horde or Alliance to attack as well. It would be chaos.
so, couldnt arthas just have unleashed the scourge to do that very thing, and then come out on top the victor? did he not see that that's exactly what would have happened? won't the horde and alliance see the scourge still amassing as if they had a leader and be like, "hmm... i thought we killed the lich king? why are the scourge not running rampant?"
did arthas miss this crucial strategy that could have ended up with him NOT dead? i still don't understand.
SideKick1
02-04-2010, 04:24 AM
Yeah
Ner'Zhul was basically omnipotent
He KNEW Arthas would be his champion, and later his host from day 1
How did he not see the Alliances plans?
ShootinPutin
02-04-2010, 05:43 AM
Yeah
Ner'Zhul was basically omnipotent
He KNEW Arthas would be his champion, and later his host from day 1
How did he not see the Alliances plans?
Drugs.
DarkNecrid
02-04-2010, 07:54 AM
Well apparently the fight is really,really,really epic lore-wise.. But not challening at all.
Yeah it's not challenging at all that is why only 2 top guilds have done it so far, 35 people out of 11 million. (derp)
Hitler's Reaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Ecwx6RqLg
Testknight
02-06-2010, 03:07 PM
So many mad nerds/ex-WoWers ITT, with all the needless hate.
ShootinPutin
02-06-2010, 06:10 PM
So many mad nerds/ex-WoWers ITT, with all the needless hate.
And haters gonna hate.
DodgeThis1
02-10-2010, 06:17 PM
So many mad nerds/ex-WoWers ITT, with all the needless hate.
I like to see when nerds rage about WoW on youtube comments
This is.. wow. I'm so happy I quit.
woot me too
They should've made Warcraft 4 instead of this crap
dewdlelion
02-11-2010, 02:12 PM
Arthas sucked and deserved his crappy death.