HoN Vs LoL. [Archive] - Heroes of Newerth Forums

Sigoth

02-01-2010, 08:31 AM

not a rage thread, been playing hon for ages now and every now and then someone will tell me about LoL so i decided to give it a go, ive only played 5 games but ill outline the game as i see it, to me, its just HoN for kids, its alot more flashy and tbh alot more easy, the items seem a little to silly and some heros just are better than others in the sense that you can play like a pro it doesnt mean anything.

i know im only 5 games in, but its pretty clear how the game is played, most abiltys have some circle thing and u cant miss at all, some of the heros spells are just stupid like a global slow, in my first game i went 13-6 second i went 11-1 in 5 games ive lost only 1 and as much as i am new to lol it was becuase of idiouts on my team.

The no deny thing bugs me, theres no skill in auto attacking for gold, since any hero in LoL hits a minion for like 25% health last hitting is a joke.

im still reading up on the game but from what i understand they want you to buy heros or spend hours getting points to buy them, this doesnt really bother me but i can see how it would to others, if u have mommy's credit card acsess then you get everything while the bum sitting at home ( me ) has to work for it.

Enuff with the negative, what i think is great in LoL is the fun aspect, HoN really is a fun game, But LoL is just that, a Lol. the heros are cooky and the spells are funny to see, in my first game i saw that little girl running around so i had to try and decapitate her, ( obviosly ) she burnt my dudes head off with some massive teddy thing i was loling.

The other great thing in lol ( bare in mind i might have gotten a lucky 5 games ) is that people dont take themselves to seriosly, when i first joined a game i said i was new and if i had a question people would help me, in this game all you want to do is feed off the noob and win, i know, cus i do that myself.

All things told i think if i wanted a serios game that is alot more balenced and fair, id play HoN. If i just want to chill and have some lols id play LoL.

Just wanted to get my thoughts out there :D.

SideKick1

02-01-2010, 11:46 AM

please stop approving these threads

Marylinn

02-01-2010, 11:49 AM

please stop approving these threads
^this times 10000.

babagk

02-02-2010, 12:27 AM

HoN has blacksmith

LoL has aids

dont mean to troll

Lamer883

02-02-2010, 01:45 AM

:temp:

Johnson

02-02-2010, 01:51 AM

I tried LoL for one game:
I picked their Hellbringer (who summons her teddy bear....), I cast my ult in a team fight and then tried to micro the "bear" to attack the guy attacking my while I juked, apparently the micro is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT and that isn't possible. I died. i was annoyed.

TL;DR - LoL is Fisher-Price DotA while HoN is 1080p DotA

Randomguy360

02-02-2010, 02:35 AM

some heros just are better than others in the sense that you can play like a pro it doesnt mean anything. Team based game.

some of the heros spells are just stupid like a global slow 1 of them is a global slow - cardmaster, and it synergies with his gate / playstyle.

in my first game i went 13-6 second i went 11-1 in 5 games ive lost only 1 and as much as i am new to lol it was becuase of idiouts on my team. You're on noob island and you have previous dota experience, you're fighting the worst people the game can find to test your abilities, I'd hope you win each game.

im still reading up on the game but from what i understand they want you to buy heros or spend hours getting points to buy them, this doesnt really bother me but i can see how it would to others, if u have mommy's credit card acsess then you get everything while the bum sitting at home ( me ) has to work for it. It's a free game, there are going to be microtransactions.

Randomguy360

02-02-2010, 02:36 AM

HunteR_

02-02-2010, 02:50 AM

and if you control multiple units?

O wait, you can't.

Randomguy360

02-02-2010, 02:52 AM

and if you control multiple units?

O wait, you can't.

if they ever need to let you control multiple units, they will add a system, there is no possible way to have more than 1 summon atm.

PS. Fanboys are annoying

LolMaliken

02-02-2010, 05:13 AM

prepurchase lulz are had

on a related note, Marylinn! i see you got your clan tag to show finally!

Coral_sex

02-02-2010, 05:14 AM

LoL is so fail...

ANiChowy

02-02-2010, 06:58 AM

the micro in LoL is infinitely better...

you hold alt and you're controlling the bear, let go of alt and you control your hero.

So I hit 1, and I'm controlling whatever I want to be controlling, then I hit 2, and then I'm controlling my second group, right? Now I hit F1 and I'm controlling my hero again.

Randomguy360

02-02-2010, 07:01 AM

So I hit 1, and I'm controlling whatever I want to be controlling, then I hit 2, and then I'm controlling my second group, right? Now I hit F1 and I'm controlling my hero again.

or, you know

you can use a modifier key, and easily control your summon and hero at the same time, instead of playing dance dance revolution with your number keys.

Marylinn

02-02-2010, 07:07 AM

or, you know

you can use a modifier key, and easily control your summon and hero at the same time, instead of playing dance dance revolution with your number keys.
Dumb argument is dumb. People are allowed to prefer different things.

ImbaKaiXer

02-02-2010, 07:35 AM

lol not this HoN VS LoL thread again....sigh this will lead to fanboy flaming one and another....wa wa wa bla bla bla HoN great LuLz for kidz...*sigh just play what you like and if you don't like the game just keep it to yourself....

dewdlelion

02-03-2010, 05:58 AM

I intend to use this is one of my (amateur videos(omg plug!)) but here goes:

"Pardon the nerd overload but:
Metaphorically speaking

If DotA is Star Trek: The Original Series
Then HoN is Star Trek: The Next Generation
And LoL is Star Trek: Voyager

DotA is a classic that is respected and loved by all.
HoN is the newcomer who grew out of the shadow of DotA and became a legacy in its own right.
LoL is nice to look at(7 of 9!) and lots of people who know nothing about the previous two are fans of, but there's really nothing of substance."

That's pretty much it.
/nerd

...

That's kind of harsh. I would rate it alien Jesus black man on a space station.

OTRobin

02-03-2010, 05:58 AM

not sure why parody threads are evil but these are cool

Reonhato

02-03-2010, 06:09 AM

people who think HoN is unbalanced should go play LoL its almost laughable.

its slow, super noob friendly, super easy to own, 99% of games are decided in the first 5 minutes, items are so stupidly powerful there is almost no possible way to come from behind, almost impossible to miss a skill, no death penalty (makes the champs who can run in do massive spike damage uber strong coz they can just go get a kill or 2 with no fear), it looks like it was designed by a 10 year old, the champions look like they were drawn in paint and then crudely cut and pasted..... im sure i missed a lot

Lamer883

02-03-2010, 06:18 AM

i wanted to try it out but then i saw the trailer
it showed this small girl holding a teddy bear
then it turned me off

dewdlelion

02-03-2010, 06:19 AM

Were you expecting to be turned on?

Lamer883

02-03-2010, 06:20 AM

no

were you?

dewdlelion

02-03-2010, 06:23 AM

That is a good question.

Yes, but then succubus had tits.

Lamer883

02-03-2010, 06:24 AM

That is a good question.

Yes, but then succubus had tits.

post

dewdlelion

02-03-2010, 06:26 AM

But then she was the tits.

And the cyberdemon could not fire the rocket missles.

Narfle

02-03-2010, 07:05 AM

when i first joined a game i said i was new and if i had a question people would help me, in this game all you want to do is feed off the noob and win, i know, cus i do that myself.

Fail logic is fail.

KaliKot

02-03-2010, 09:07 AM

http://www.livestream.com/messiahwins

this lol stream is really popular. just look at the viewer minutes and how many people still watch pre-recorded streams when its offline.

Usually when its LIVE it gets about 120-130 viewers. I dont think any hon stream has as huge a following as that.

But then again there probably arent as many lol streams, still this stream's popularity says something

kosta1

02-03-2010, 10:56 AM

I read the OP and I must say that seems to be the general consensus amongst many players.

However, I enjoy playing both games for the different mechanics and looks. I greatly enjoy the built-in voip and game modes in HoN, but LoL's heroes are much more enjoyable for me to play. The problem with LoL is the lack of game modes, that is what ruins a lot of the game for me.

I don't play one of these for fun and the other for srs business, I play to win in both.

XrBob

02-03-2010, 12:11 PM

I agree with the original post, I've actually played LoL a lot. Never played dota, started with lol and have about 500 games in. I've had a lot of fun with it and learned a lot about the basic concepts of the genre. I just tried HoN a couple days ago and feels like LoL all grown up. You're right though, people do take this game a little too seriously, the lol community is a little better, but they still have their elitist tryhards too.

But I feel like the developers don't take it as seriously either. They're really slow at balancing and but also on bugs and features, and it's actually sold in stores now. They only have one game mode, a blind pick which makes countering impossible, and one map available for stat play. Still a fun game though if you just want to chill out.

HoN just feels a lot more complete and fluid. It gets knocked on for copying dota, but I never played it so it's all new to me, and really, if it's not broke, why fix it?

InsaneChef

02-03-2010, 12:26 PM

rogerchew

02-04-2010, 03:26 PM

i just found it annoying that the guy i was killing all game (like 20 times) and had barely any items could kill me in a few hits midgame/lategame.

i was some little wizard and he was some guy with a sword and a blink attack

there are diminishing returns to continuously killing 1 person over and over. it's to keep the game a little more team oriented rather than "let's all feed off their n00b" and to help against snowballing.

Taz

02-04-2010, 04:19 PM

I played LoL and I didn't enjoy it. The gameplay/graphics seemed too dull and stale, abilities aren't impressive enough, and are lacking the same personality that HoN offers.

and the name makes fun of itself. LoL!!!

LOL

TheBlueTiger

02-04-2010, 09:17 PM

ndclub

02-05-2010, 12:35 AM

A friend of mine who plays LoL keeps complaining about this thing called Queue Dodging. He says most of the time, it takes him about 30 mins to get a game going. Can one of the LoLers please someone explain what this is?

Well I've never waited 30 min to start one but I think what they are talking about would be when someone leaves the hero pick screen, everyone is put back into automatch search(in order for it to find a replacement and re balance the teams) I think the few that leave at hero pick are just doing it to ruin things for others because it is blind pick and you have no idea how good your opponents are going to be. Sometimes people leave before their own team even picks a single hero so that discounts them being unhappy with a carry heavy team. It is a slight delay when it happens but its smoother now and have never waited near that long for a game. The actual game load is longer than hon tho(also a higher rate of pitiful computers in lol)

Cyrtec

02-05-2010, 02:35 AM

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3269/honvslol.png

Fozzle

02-05-2010, 03:12 AM

-snip-

I like the original one better.

kosta1

02-05-2010, 09:02 AM

A friend of mine who plays LoL keeps complaining about this thing called Queue Dodging. He says most of the time, it takes him about 30 mins to get a game going. Can one of the LoLers please someone explain what this is?
Queue dodging is when you leave at champ select to avoid fighting someone you know is going against you through the friends system. It happens often to higher ELO players because when some ELO farmer sees them in champ select at the same time as them they leave so they don't get raped by a better player/team. It's looked down in the community.
So far my longest queue was ~50 minutes due to either scum like that or drama queens who leave when they see a hero or person they don't like.

YummyCheese

02-06-2010, 03:25 AM

reincarnage

02-06-2010, 06:00 AM

i wanted to try it out but then i saw the trailer
it showed this small girl holding a teddy bear
then it turned me off
^THIS

Narfle

02-06-2010, 06:23 AM

Play fair guys, when you talk about a little girl with a teddy bear, at least give links!

Anchovies

02-07-2010, 03:55 AM

Queue dodging happens more often because people don't like a hero.

It's like me starting a game in HoN, seeing one of my teammates pick Scout, and then knowing (or thinking) that the Scout player is going to feed and suck, I immediately leave (which in LoL puts everyone back in the match-making queue).

But in HoN, if you leave during the hero select screen, that will count as a leave. Thats why you don't see this type of behaviour in HoN.

So essentially, LoL allows people to leave during hero select if they don't like their team or if someone picks a hero that they want? And this will disband the game and everyone has to start over? I guess I can see how this can become frustrating if you keep bumping into ppl that keep queue dodging for whatever reason cos it'll take forever before you can get a game going.

Evil_Coral

02-07-2010, 04:39 AM

There's a game called LoL?

Isn't that like copyright invasion (or whatever it's called)?

Desuuuu

02-08-2010, 01:41 AM

League of Legends is actually a fun gamedespitewhat peple say. It does gykind of confusing with the runes and the masteries.

LoL for laidback gaming.
HoN for competitive gaming.

Luckily I do both.

SideKick1

02-08-2010, 06:37 AM

League of Legends is actually a fun gamedespitewhat peple say. It does gykind of confusing with the runes and the masteries.

LoL for laidback gaming.
HoN for competitive gaming.

Luckily I do both.
with stats like that i doubt you do any competetive gaming in HoN

Kaee

02-08-2010, 08:33 AM

inb4 lock

RogerDodger

02-08-2010, 08:39 AM

with stats like that i doubt you do any competetive gaming in HoN
ZING

Mopealot

02-08-2010, 10:57 AM

I never played DotA before, but i knew it's very popular. So when i heard about LoL, which seemed to be a DotA-clone i immediately got it and played it. It was very entertaining from the beginning and somehow i was always really good.
After like 5 Weeks i heard about HoN, another DotA-clone. I watched some youtubevids and was like "man, this looks better than LoL, let's try it out. It cant be that hard, I'm pretty good at LoL"...
So, i downloaded it and started playing. I thought I'm gonna be fine but ...
WRONG!!!!
You can not compare HoN to LoL. While HoN is like a ****in rollercoaster LoL is like a walk in the park... i was depressed cause i sucked balls in HoN.
I didn't know anything about denies, lasthitts, and actually tactics. LoL has a really slow gameplay, and HoN is compared to LoL really fast paced. Although HoN can be ****in frustrating sometimes ( pretty often tbh ) it's much more entertaining than LoL.
So, in MY opinion HoN > LoL!

YummyCheese

02-08-2010, 01:30 PM

But in HoN, if you leave during the hero select screen, that will count as a leave. Thats why you don't see this type of behaviour in HoN.

So essentially, LoL allows people to leave during hero select if they don't like their team or if someone picks a hero that they want? And this will disband the game and everyone has to start over? I guess I can see how this can become frustrating if you keep bumping into ppl that keep queue dodging for whatever reason cos it'll take forever before you can get a game going.

You get a leave in LoL too, but because it's matchmaking there's no way to filter out people who have many leaves - so leaves don't really mean anything and nobody cares. Supposedly Riot is doing more with this leaving problem, but we haven't seen any of it yet.

It's mostly over exaggerated by the community, it's really not that a big deal. I still get into games in LoL FAR faster than I do in HoN. Hopefully HoN's matchmaking will fix that, but until then, even WITH queue dodgers, I can be PLAYING a LoL game within 2 -3 minutes of opening the game (30 second queue, 1:30 second hero selection, add up to a minute if someone queue dodges). Because of my slow computer, individual load screens, finding a game that I want, finding a game where host will balance teams, waiting for people to join, etc, etc, HoN can take alot longer.

Narfle

02-08-2010, 02:36 PM

Some of us dont mind waiting longer for quality.

Desuuuu

02-08-2010, 03:54 PM

with stats like that i doubt you do any competetive gaming in HoN

I never said I play HoN competitively, now did I?

Shintetsu

02-08-2010, 04:37 PM

rndmz

02-08-2010, 05:31 PM

If people like LoL so much they could simply recreate it as a mod in HoN :x ...

Shintetsu

02-08-2010, 05:38 PM

^Bad idea. Copyright Infringement=IRL Permaban.

Nietzschean

02-08-2010, 09:31 PM

Buying heroes = Fail
Childish graphics = Fail

Thats what turned me away from LoL. I just couldnt handle it... So I jumped back onto HoN and autopicked :scou:

MsChoksOnDik

02-09-2010, 12:33 AM

Hon owns LoL out of the sand.

HoN = men
LoL = puss1s

SideKick1

02-09-2010, 04:37 AM

I never said I play HoN competitively, now did I?

LoL for laidback gaming.
HoN for competitive gaming.

Luckily I do both.
:moon:

Narfle

02-09-2010, 09:16 AM

HoN = men
LoL = puss1s

So what every HoN wants is a LoL?

Desuuuu

02-09-2010, 06:38 PM

I said HoN is for competitive gaming. I said I do competitive gaming. Never said I did HoN competitive.

Assumptions lead you nowhere.

Narfle

02-09-2010, 09:14 PM

I said HoN is for competitive gaming. I said I do competitive gaming. Never said I did HoN competitive.

Assumptions lead you nowhere.

http://hfid.olin.edu/sa2009/engr3220-neoncarrot/pages/development/list_clippit.gif

Hi, i see youre trying to deny the concept of "context", would you like some help?

CDC

02-10-2010, 12:32 AM

HoN is an EXACT copy of DotA with a couple new heroes. Better graphics and better matchmaking. The ****ing announcer is a tool though. Bloodlust? Double Tap? ****ing stupid.

Narfle

02-10-2010, 01:23 AM

HoN is an EXACT copy of DotA with a couple new heroes. Better graphics and better matchmaking.

And new items. And built-in stats. And a better engine, allowing new and interesting skills (cast speed modifiers fx). And with its own servers so the game isnt on the "hosts" computer. And with its own dedicated chat-server instead of piggybacking on bnet. And its a bit faster paced. And its being developed by people that arent douches and either get ideas from their community or think of them themselves. And its being developed way faster. And you can reconnect up to 5 mins after you disc (yes i know about the gHost update, not all dota games are gHosted). And etc.

But other than that (and the graphics and the matchmaking, which YOU mentioned) its an EXACT copy, i agree.

Just like this cup of coffee im drinking is an EXACT copy of an elephant god.

SideKick1

02-10-2010, 07:10 AM

I said HoN is for competitive gaming. I said I do competitive gaming. Never said I did HoN competitive.

Assumptions lead you nowhere.
:moon:

BigRedOne

02-10-2010, 11:05 AM

it looks like it was designed by a 10 year old, the champions look like they were drawn in paint and then crudely cut and pasted.....

The same thoughts have Lineage 2 followers talking about WoW. Matter of taste is not a thing to discuss about.

My advice for those who want to play LoL: if you have 4 friends with you, ok, go and play, hf. Otherwise you'll be swearing those who leave all the time, those who are feeding etc. etc.

Thats the reason I want to start playing HoN, and I hope here I'll be not pissed off.

Narfle

02-10-2010, 11:48 AM

The same thoughts have Lineage 2 followers talking about WoW. Matter of taste is not a thing to discuss about.

My advice for those who want to play LoL: if you have 4 friends with you, ok, go and play, hf. Otherwise you'll be swearing those who leave all the time, those who are feeding etc. etc.

Thats the reason I want to start playing HoN, and I hope here I'll be not pissed off.

Oh man, you are in for a surprise. And not one you will like.

Shintetsu

02-10-2010, 12:57 PM

Oh man, you are in for a surprise. And not one you will like.
EPIC FORESHADOWING. And :scou: lol

Not_IceFrog

04-22-2010, 10:10 AM

HoN has blacksmith

LoL has aids

dont mean to troll

blacksmith has aids

dont mean to troll 2

Not_IceFrog

04-22-2010, 10:11 AM